Calderon/Turkoglu/Triano/Colangelo Venting Thread

[basketball royalty]

I'd be like "Do you give the keys to your Lexus to your (Please Use More Appropriate Word) uncle? Then why'd you give the keys to your multi-million dollar franchise to Triano"

[TribeZulu]

I'd say "good work so far, and don't lose hope".

You can rip apart most GMs when you analyze things one trade at a time. Bottom line is most of us were happy with the moves he made in the offseason. And just a few weeks ago we were pretty keen on this team's chances on catching up to one of the top four teams in the east.

This team that looked so bad today, is the same team that looked great a few weeks ago, so how can you blame Colangelo. The players- sure. Triano- fine. But what could Colangelo have done, other than try to swing a deadline deal. And given how well the team was playing, can you really fault him for not messing with the core.

Moreover, Colangelo has shown that he's pretty shrewd when it comes to protecting assets and getting a solid return for outgoing players. He's the guy I want on the job when Bosh becomes a free agent this year.

If he utterly blows it, I may reconsider my stance. But for the time being, I think Colangelo has done a good job.

[HEKTOR]

I'd say "good work so far, and don't lose hope".

You can rip apart most GMs when you analyze things one trade at a time. Bottom line is most of us were happy with the moves he made in the offseason. And just a few weeks ago we were pretty keen on this team's chances on catching up to one of the top four teams in the east.

This team that looked so bad today, is the same team that looked great a few weeks ago, so how can you blame Colangelo. The players- sure. Triano- fine. But what could Colangelo have done, other than try to swing a deadline deal. And given how well the team was playing, can you really fault him for not messing with the core.

Moreover, Colangelo has shown that he's pretty shrewd when it comes to protecting assets and getting a solid return for outgoing players. He's the guy I want on the job when Bosh becomes a free agent this year.

If he utterly blows it, I may reconsider my stance. But for the time being, I think Colangelo has done a good job.

+1

[Raptorish]

BC isnt the guy we should be targeting right now. Hes doing everything he can. The one mistake he made was not building properly from scratch when he got here with all the cap space, a number 1 draft pick and a ripe Bosh. Other than that, he has been working his tail off.

Every move he made this season we clamoured over because we thought we "Robbed" other teams.
Yeah he signed Hedo to a $50 Million deal. But at the time, it wasnt so crazy. He was supposed to be our legit second option. I along with many others actually thought he did good there. Also he got Antoine Wright, Devean George (Who he pawned off to GS for Belinelli) and we retained our MLE and LLE. Some credit to fruitman as well.

We got Amir and Sonny for Roko "Europe Bound" Ukic and Carlos "My mascara is burning my eyes" Delfino.

He flipped Kapono for Reggie Evans. Remember how we all hated Kapono "I enjoy traveling" Kapono..?

Signed us a solid PG and leader in Jarret Jack with the MLE leaving enough money to bring in our vet Rasho. (Rasho was brought in with the left over of the MLE or the whole LLE, Not sure which really)

Hes made some awesome moves.

Lets not forget redundant Charlie V for the little engine TJ Ford. Its too bad egos clashed or else that would have been a solid core for us. TJ, Bosh, Parker.

We cant blame the GM for this piss poor season. The blame goes on the Personnel and the players who dont give a ****.

Well put.
At the risk of getting the wrath of others here, I stand by BC. Sure, there might be mistakes (there's no GM in the league who doesn't have ones) however, he's assembled a team that is certainly capable of being much better than what we see. I would fire all the amature coaching staff we got at season's end, make a couple of trades obviously but do not think its anywhere as hopeless as last year that we need 9 new faces next year; no way

[Raptorish]

I'd say "good work so far, and don't lose hope".

You can rip apart most GMs when you analyze things one trade at a time. Bottom line is most of us were happy with the moves he made in the offseason. And just a few weeks ago we were pretty keen on this team's chances on catching up to one of the top four teams in the east.

This team that looked so bad today, is the same team that looked great a few weeks ago, so how can you blame Colangelo. The players- sure. Triano- fine. But what could Colangelo have done, other than try to swing a deadline deal. And given how well the team was playing, can you really fault him for not messing with the core.

Moreover, Colangelo has shown that he's pretty shrewd when it comes to protecting assets and getting a solid return for outgoing players. He's the guy I want on the job when Bosh becomes a free agent this year.

If he utterly blows it, I may reconsider my stance. But for the time being, I think Colangelo has done a good job.

Solid post. Well said

[Anth0ny]

Vent, eh? On Calderon, Turk, Triano and Colangelo?

[bane_dd]

This thread was starting to look like hopeless garbage but apparently there are still a few sensible posters on this board. Colangelo has worked his butt off to improve this team but it's just not working. It's time to try something different. A Bosh S&T might just be the change this club needs to turn a new page. Enough is enough.

[HEKTOR]

One of Bosh or Bargnani will be gone next year. You can book it.

[HiJiNX]

A lot of people work their butts off doing the wrong thing or not performing well, does that mean we don't hold them accountable because they at least tried hard? This isn't little league baseball, this is the NBA, you don't get a pat on the back for working hard but performing poorly. We should all be holding Colangelo and this team to a much higher standard. And BC is to blame because he did misuse the great assets he inherited when he arrived here.

[bryant08]

I'd be like "Do you give the keys to your Lexus to your (Please Use More Appropriate Word) uncle? Then why'd you give the keys to your multi-million dollar franchise to Triano"

Honestly though, I can't say I wasn't optimistic about this team throughout various times this season. For once I thought we actually had the depth to be the 5th seeded team in the conference, and make a run at finishing higher than that. But you've got to put some blame on Colangelo for sure, because he went balls to the wall, and if Bosh leaves, this franchise is destroyed for the next 3-4 seasons.

[Duffman100]

We all know it's true. The Raptors aren't just one or two pieces away from being contenders...we're almost an entire roster away. The biggest mistake that can be made now is minor additions, here and there, attempting to grasp at the second round.

Blow this team up. Sign and trade Bosh. Deal Calderon. Deal Bargnani. Somehow try and deal Turk.

Keep Derozan, Weems, Jack, and Amir...and just start from scratch.

BC took his shot with this team...it missed. Whether you want to shoulder the blame entirely on him or not, waiting to rebuild is just not the right way to go.

I'd rather watch a hard working team win 20 games than watch this lazy, unmotivated group of core players win 40.

Now is the time. This is the last season of this. Blow it up.

[bane_dd]

Yes, blow up a .500 team because they are just plain terrible. If BC was as shortsighted as some people on here and made his decisions on a game-by-game basis, perhaps he would do it. But he's not and he won't.

[Duffman100]

Yes, blow up a .500 team because they are just plain terrible. If BC was as shortsighted as some people on here and made his decisions on a game-by-game basis, perhaps he would do it. But he's not and he won't.

How this short-sighted? How do you know I made the decision on last night's game alone.

This team, the way it's constructed, will not win a championship. It's not a minor tweaking situation, it would take a massive overhaul of our core group of players.

You're delusional if you think that this team is anywhere close to being relevant.

PS: And a .500 team that is almost solely taking advantage of bad teams and getting destroyed by teams that are a smidgen better than they are.

[teamLeiweke]

add bargnani too.

[bane_dd]

Yes, blow up a .500 team because they are just plain terrible. If BC was as shortsighted as some people on here and made his decisions on a game-by-game basis, perhaps he would do it. But he's not and he won't.

How this short-sighted? How do you know I made the decision on last night's game alone.

This team, the way it's constructed, will not win a championship. It's not a minor tweaking situation, it would take a massive overhaul of our core group of players.

You're delusional if you think that this team is anywhere close to being relevant.

PS: And a .500 team that is almost solely taking advantage of bad teams and getting destroyed by teams that are a smidgen better than they are.

Put LeBron James on this team and they become a championship contender. It is very difficult to build a contender when your team has no real superstar.

Oklahoma City Thunder/Utah Jazz are a lot better than the Raptors are. They have also beat the Lakers (and almost did it again), Spurs, Magic and Dallas this season.

[Too Late Crew]

Yes, blow up a .500 team because they are just plain terrible. If BC was as shortsighted as some people on here and made his decisions on a game-by-game basis, perhaps he would do it. But he's not and he won't.

How this short-sighted? How do you know I made the decision on last night's game alone.

This team, the way it's constructed, will not win a championship. It's not a minor tweaking situation, it would take a massive overhaul of our core group of players.

You're delusional if you think that this team is anywhere close to being relevant.

PS: And a .500 team that is almost solely taking advantage of bad teams and getting destroyed by teams that are a smidgen better than they are.

Put LeBron James on this team and they become a championship contender. It is very difficult to build a contender when your team has no real superstar.

Oklahoma City Thunder/Utah Jazz are a lot better than the Raptors are. They have also beat the Lakers (and almost did it again), Spurs, Magic and Dallas this season.

I'm going to disagree with you.

Put James on this team they become massivley better. BUT I still don't think you can win a ring with no defense. Simply swapping put James for Turk still leaves us painfully exposed on defense at several postions.

[Hedo_Turd-oglu]

Gotta start with Colangelo. Sure, he was seen as a god when he replaced Babcock and we won a division title right away (even though the talent level in the league that season was questionable, and teams were tanking to draft Oden or Durant, but hey, a win's a win right?), but a lot of his moves have backfired (signing Jose to a big contract, the JO trade, giving the keys to Jay, signing Turd to save his job) and has ultimately crippled our Cap for the next 4 years. Does Bargs-Turd-Jose spell championship to anyone? and yes, I left out Bosh in that last sentence...

Jay Triano needs to stop focusing so much on the minutes everyone plays and ride the hot hand. These guys are grown men, they're athletes, they can handle 40 mins a night if necessary, no need to baby them and give them their "rest". The Laker game is a perfect example. Jarrett Jack scores 16-18 pts in the 3rd alone, we're firing on all cylinders, then he takes him out and puts him back on the court when there was 4 mins left in the 4th. Jack Armstrong was wondering aloud the entire 4th quarter why Jack was still on the bench. Can't win in this league when your PGs each play 22 mins a game, neither of them know who's running the show.

And don't get me started with that neanderthal from Turkey. If I was the president of Turkey, I'd renounce his citizenship and trade him to another country for a rack of balls. ("Here Iraq, you take him, he can give you a 12-4-4 for your national team even though he gets paid to put up 20-6-5")

[Duffman100]

Yes, blow up a .500 team because they are just plain terrible. If BC was as shortsighted as some people on here and made his decisions on a game-by-game basis, perhaps he would do it. But he's not and he won't.

How this short-sighted? How do you know I made the decision on last night's game alone.

This team, the way it's constructed, will not win a championship. It's not a minor tweaking situation, it would take a massive overhaul of our core group of players.

You're delusional if you think that this team is anywhere close to being relevant.

PS: And a .500 team that is almost solely taking advantage of bad teams and getting destroyed by teams that are a smidgen better than they are.

Put LeBron James on this team and they become a championship contender. It is very difficult to build a contender when your team has no real superstar.

Oklahoma City Thunder/Utah Jazz are a lot better than the Raptors are. They have also beat the Lakers (and almost did it again), Spurs, Magic and Dallas this season.

So you're saying that if we get Lebron James, we'd be relevant?

My point exactly, that is how far away we are. We would need a once in a generation player to become a relevant team.