Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

Dr Positivity · Post #181 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:54 am

If we didn't make the JO trade the 09-10 season would've been a sacrificial lamb. If Bosh isn't staying with our 40 win team, what makes you think he'd stick around after a 30 win one?

BC's mistake was the original JO trade. We gave TJ Ford and a 1st for take on one of the worst contracts in the league and a 30 year old win now player, when we should've been looking to the future like Portland, etc.

HEKTOR · Post #182 » by **HEKTOR** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:56 am

The thing is how do we know if BC talked to Bosh about the TJ for JO trade before it happened?

Bosh could have liked the idea, you never know. It would seem as though Bosh wanted a veteran big next to him in the post. Getting rid of TJ and taking on JO kinda solved two problems for us at once: we got rid of TJ (no more problems at the PG position) - and we picked up a veteran, defensive big to put next to Bosh. Unfortunately things didn't work out as planned.

Funny to think that we would have had Hibbert + TJ + Rasho if we didn't trade for JO.

I think what really screwed us over was TJ getting hurt. Had that not happened, Jose would have always stayed as a back-up and would either still be with the Raps right now on a much better contract or would be somewhere else.

Unfortunately, after TJ's injury, I don't think many can blame BC for dealing him instead of Jose. Especially after the year Jose had.

Sometimes you need a little luck too...

Canucklehead · Post #183 » by **Canucklehead** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:18 am

That would be BC's first mistake YOU DONT ASK PLAYERS HOW TO BUILD A TEAM most would run a franchise into the ground take a look at recent history and if he did ask Bosh these things take a look at our own.

HEKTOR · Post #184 » by **HEKTOR** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:21 am

Well who knows what happened. Bosh could have very well told BC what he wanted...

gerrit4 · Post #185 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:44 am

Bosh did comment on the JO trade before it happened. He was on Fan 590 and said he fully supported the trade.

But also, please keep in mind that TMACs contract alone did not get Kevin Martin. Kmart was traded for Carl Landry, one of the more promising young big men in the league. A MUCH higher value than an expiring JO.

Courtside · Post #186 » by **Courtside** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:53 am

I know a lot of people want to get rid of Jose, but personally, I'd much rather ship Hedo in the transaction if at all possible. Calderon is younger and has one year less. He can play off the bench without whining and with a guy like Battier on the wing, he'd be hidden a little. Hedo on the other hand, is past his prime, old and slow, and his defense is probably worse than Calderon.

I could even live with not getting the Knicks pick back from Houston if it's something like Bosh+Hedo for Scola, Battier, Jeffries and Brooks + Houston's pick. If it takes DeRozan or Jack to upgrade from Houston's own pick to the Knicks pick, I would do that too.

IntricateOh25 · Post #187 » by **IntricateOh25** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:07 am

It's just a rough idea, and there would need to be minor tweaks to make the numbers match but what about a 3-way looking like this:

Toronto
In: Iguodala, Dalembert, 1st (Portland)
Out: Bosh, Calderon

Portland
In: Bosh, Meeks
Out: Aldridge, Bayless, Pryzbilla, 1st

Philly
In: Aldridge, Calderon, Bayless, Pryzbilla
Out: Iguodala, Dalembert, Meeks

Depth Chart:

Jack/?/Banks
Iguodala/DeRozan/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Weems
Bargnani/Amir (Re-signed)/Evans
Dalembert/?

With a 1st Round Pick (Portland), 2nd Round pick?, and MLE to round out the roster.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #188 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:17 am

I'm not so sure why Chris Bosh wouldn't consider going to Chicago. I know the whole "Rose is there, therefore he would be the #1 option" reasoning, but I think Bosh would be the guy they'd go to in the halfcourt - so in theory he would be the #1 guy there as well.

Derrick Rose would make life a lot easier for Bosh. In fact, I think he's the guy that Chicago is going to target, along with Houston, Miami, and New York.

I just think it makes a great deal of sense basketball-wise for Bosh. It's one of the best cities in the U.S., he'll get his max contract, while not having ride Wade or LeBron's jockstrap.

Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Bosh
Noah

Bosh will still get his, if that's the lineup Chicago trots out there next season (SG will probably be a FA or via trade)

As far as the trade for us - we would ask for their 2010 draft pick, a 2011 draft pick, a TPE, and possibly Taj Gibson, or the rights to Omer Asik, a legit 7fter with some game.

I think it's very possible.

HEKTOR · Post #189 » by **HEKTOR** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:19 am

I'd rather us take Noah and they can keep their picks to draft a C.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #190 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:26 am

^^They're not going to give us Noah. A TPE, draft picks, and a prospect is the best you'll get anywhere IMO.

kush- · Post #191 » by **kush-** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:28 am

chicago offered us noah+deng for bosh at the trade deadline i hear

deng is a helluva player when he is healthy

Post #192 » by **The Duke** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:39 am

It was a mistake to bring JO in (at a high price)

It was a mistake to ship JO out (at another high price)

It was a mistake to bring Hedo in (at a very high price)

When does the phrase "at least he is trying" ... go out the window?

IntricateOh25 · Post #193 » by **IntricateOh25** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:25 pm

Run and gun?

A deal centered around Bosh going to the Hornets, David West going to the Warriors, and Collison and Randolph coming to Toronto.

Collison
DeRozan
Turkoglu
Randolph
Bargnani

Throw in some defensive help on the bench and that's an entertaining team to watch!

gerrit4 · Post #194 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:31 pm

kush- wrote:chicago offered us noah+deng for bosh at the trade deadline i hear

deng is a helluva player when he is healthy

I don't think that's a fact is it? I think Bill Simmons just threw it out there as a trade idea earlier this season. All we heard at the deadline was that teams weren't make offers for Bosh because BC had no intention of trading him.

If Chicago offered Deng & Noah in a S&T I'd take it and run.

SDM · Post #195 » by **SDM** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:01 pm

From ESPN Chat:

Dave Pierce (eSellOut.com)

I recently read that DeJuan Blair could be used in a sign and trade deal with Toronto for Chris Bosh in the offseason. Any validity to this?
David Thorpe
(12:32 PM)

Sure, but he'd be just one piece. Raps would want Manu and more.

SkywalkerAC · Post #196 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:32 pm

San Antonio is definitely an underrated option. they're going to need to shake things up to try to make one last run with Duncan and probably don't want to pay Manu huge money. SA has Blair and Splitter to package with him. I don't really want Manu as I don't really want a winning team next year but Blair and Splitter are pretty tough-nosed guys for such young players.

SkywalkerAC · Post #197 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:03 pm

Jack/Jose
Manu/DD
Hedo/Weems
Blair/Amir
Bargnani/Splitter

+Messina?

gerrit4 · Post #198 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:08 pm

I find Splitter incredibly intriguing. He could become exactly what the team needs post-bosh. I guess he could also be a total bust, but it would be swinging for the fences to go after him.

Would something like RJ/Blair & Splitter be enough for Bosh? I don't love RJ or anything, but he's still an okay starter.

I'd love to get Hill or Parker and unload one (or both) of Hedo and Jose but that's probably too much to ask.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #199 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:15 pm

^Splitter has got a massive buyout that'll make it difficult for him to even make it to the NBA.

I want to ask y'all an honest question: Do you think the Raps will rebuild once Bosh leaves? Do you believe Bryan Colangelo will go that route? Forget what you think ought to happen, but think more in terms of what you think Bryan will do.

gerrit4 · Post #200 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:24 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:^Splitter has got a massive buyout that'll make it difficult for him to even make it to the NBA.

I want to ask y'all an honest question: Do you think the Raps will rebuild once Bosh leaves? Do you believe Bryan Colangelo will go that route? Forget what you think ought to happen, but think more in terms of what you think Bryan will do.

Damn. Well, I'd still be interested in trying, but I guess it's not enough to center a package around him.

I actually like Colangelo. I think if Bosh leaves we should rebuild, but I'm not sure if we will. I'm okay with keeping Bargs on this team and seeing what he's capable, if only for my own curiosity.

I think the dream scenario for me (and this board) would be if this summer BC released the S&T offers to Realgm and we all argued with each other about it for a week and then voted on the outcome. It would never happen, but wouldn't that be the greatest?