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OakleyDokely wrote:Suggs: 36 FG% / 21 3PT% / 77 FT% / 45 TS%
Holy mother of God we dodged a bullet. I know it's early, but has anyone ever become an elite offensive player after posting those type of rookie numbers?
OakleyDokely wrote:Suggs: 36 FG% / 21 3PT% / 77 FT% / 45 TS%
Holy mother of God we dodged a bullet. I know it's early, but has anyone ever become an elite offensive player after posting those type of rookie numbers?
HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
Dino-Might wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? ROTY is not won or lost on a game by game basis, it's awarded for overall play for the entire year. Unless Cad goes ballistic over the last 6 games or so, not sure how he can overcome the lead Barnes and Mobley have because his TS% is so low and he is on such a losing team.
Yeah, both Mobley and Barnes were better for 75% of the season. Overall, they are still clearly ahead even with Cade playing at a very high level since the all-star break.Dino-Might wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? ROTY is not won or lost on a game by game basis, it's awarded for overall play for the entire year. Unless Cad goes ballistic over the last 6 games or so, not sure how he can overcome the lead Barnes and Mobley have because his TS% is so low and he is on such a losing team.
pingpongrac wrote:Yeah, both Mobley and Barnes were better for 75% of the season. Overall, they are still clearly ahead even with Cade playing at a very high level since the all-star break.Dino-Might wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? ROTY is not won or lost on a game by game basis, it's awarded for overall play for the entire year. Unless Cad goes ballistic over the last 6 games or so, not sure how he can overcome the lead Barnes and Mobley have because his TS% is so low and he is on such a losing team.
Barnes: 15.3 PPG (55 TS%), 7.6 REB, 3.5 AST (1.9 TOV), -0.1 EPM, 43-32 team record
Cade: 17.2 PPG (51 TS%), 5.7 REB, 5.6 AST (3.6 TOV), -0.2 EPM, 20-56 team record
Mobley: 14.9 PPG (55 TS%), 8.3 REB, 2.5 AST (2.0 TOV), +0.8 EPM, 42-33 team record
I don't think you can give ROY to the guy that scores 2 more points and gets 2-3 extra assists on much higher usage (7-8% higher) while being significantly less efficient and more turnover-prone on a bottom 3 team.
aad wrote:Cade is ROTY
blastttOFF wrote:pingpongrac wrote:Yeah, both Mobley and Barnes were better for 75% of the season. Overall, they are still clearly ahead even with Cade playing at a very high level since the all-star break.Dino-Might wrote:
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? ROTY is not won or lost on a game by game basis, it's awarded for overall play for the entire year. Unless Cad goes ballistic over the last 6 games or so, not sure how he can overcome the lead Barnes and Mobley have because his TS% is so low and he is on such a losing team.
Barnes: 15.3 PPG (55 TS%), 7.6 REB, 3.5 AST (1.9 TOV), -0.1 EPM, 43-32 team record
Cade: 17.2 PPG (51 TS%), 5.7 REB, 5.6 AST (3.6 TOV), -0.2 EPM, 20-56 team record
Mobley: 14.9 PPG (55 TS%), 8.3 REB, 2.5 AST (2.0 TOV), +0.8 EPM, 42-33 team record
I don't think you can give ROY to the guy that scores 2 more points and gets 2-3 extra assists on much higher usage (7-8% higher) while being significantly less efficient and more turnover-prone on a bottom 3 team.
Out of all the nba players who shot at least 800 shots, Cade is ranked 64 out 66 in TS
Dino-Might wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Cade going ballistic right now, Scottie gotta pull out something in the bag if he wants this ROTY.
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? ROTY is not won or lost on a game by game basis, it's awarded for overall play for the entire year. Unless Cad goes ballistic over the last 6 games or so, not sure how he can overcome the lead Barnes and Mobley have because his TS% is so low and he is on such a losing team.
Madhouse wrote:The ball is in his court. If he plays well over the last 7 games, he wins it. If not, not.
You can't expect 30 point games simply for the fact that the usage and shot attempts won't be there. But he needs to be more consistent.
HumbleRen wrote:Madhouse wrote:The ball is in his court. If he plays well over the last 7 games, he wins it. If not, not.
You can't expect 30 point games simply for the fact that the usage and shot attempts won't be there. But he needs to be more consistent.
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Hard to see where he can get his touches when he's playing this small ball 5 version of himself.
I hope he stays aggressive with his touches because he deserves the ROTY.
My reason for choosing Barnes is simple: He’s been the most complete rookie this season. Cunningham has been a better scorer, and Mobley already looks like an All-NBA defender, but it’s Barnes who has shown the ability to be elite on both ends of the floor. In my conversations, NBA scouts project outcomes that include such superstars as Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo. In short, scouts think he could win an MVP award someday.
Ell Curry wrote:blastttOFF wrote:pingpongrac wrote:Yeah, both Mobley and Barnes were better for 75% of the season. Overall, they are still clearly ahead even with Cade playing at a very high level since the all-star break.
Barnes: 15.3 PPG (55 TS%), 7.6 REB, 3.5 AST (1.9 TOV), -0.1 EPM, 43-32 team record
Cade: 17.2 PPG (51 TS%), 5.7 REB, 5.6 AST (3.6 TOV), -0.2 EPM, 20-56 team record
Mobley: 14.9 PPG (55 TS%), 8.3 REB, 2.5 AST (2.0 TOV), +0.8 EPM, 42-33 team record
I don't think you can give ROY to the guy that scores 2 more points and gets 2-3 extra assists on much higher usage (7-8% higher) while being significantly less efficient and more turnover-prone on a bottom 3 team.
Out of all the nba players who shot at least 800 shots, Cade is ranked 64 out 66 in TS
Cade is great, but he's a rookie and Mobley and Barnes are veterans helping their teams comfortably make the playoffs who happen to be in their first year. I have no idea who will be better in 5 years, but I have it as Mobley a hair ahead of Barnes, a decent gap then Wagner, then another gap then Cade behind him in 4th.
lobosloboslobos wrote:I definitely think Cade could pull it out but I sense the tide turning to Scottie. Yesterday Bill Simmons picked him on his podcast and Chad Ford picked him too. Jarrett Allen's injury has torpedoed Mobley's chances.
https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/ranking-the-top-10-nba-rookie-of?s=rMy reason for choosing Barnes is simple: He’s been the most complete rookie this season. Cunningham has been a better scorer, and Mobley already looks like an All-NBA defender, but it’s Barnes who has shown the ability to be elite on both ends of the floor. In my conversations, NBA scouts project outcomes that include such superstars as Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo. In short, scouts think he could win an MVP award someday.
4. Scottie Barnes TOR • PF • 4 PPG 13.3 RPG 5.3 APG 5.0
He's played point guard at times, while other times he's just roaming around the court waiting for his opportunity to muscle his way in to the paint and score. He can defend all five positions well, and has often made clutch stops down the stretch. I think Barnes may have the edge over Mobley right now, but these last two weeks could flip flop all the way until the end.
blastttOFF wrote:Ell Curry wrote:blastttOFF wrote:
Out of all the nba players who shot at least 800 shots, Cade is ranked 64 out 66 in TS
Cade is great, but he's a rookie and Mobley and Barnes are veterans helping their teams comfortably make the playoffs who happen to be in their first year. I have no idea who will be better in 5 years, but I have it as Mobley a hair ahead of Barnes, a decent gap then Wagner, then another gap then Cade behind him in 4th.
It's so funny how good this class is. you never know too, It might be Jalen Green who nobody is talking about. He's the best shooter out of this group and is the best ball handler and fastest. He could blow up.
Cade looks legit though, he will be a superstar much like Scottish and Evan.lobosloboslobos wrote:I definitely think Cade could pull it out but I sense the tide turning to Scottie. Yesterday Bill Simmons picked him on his podcast and Chad Ford picked him too. Jarrett Allen's injury has torpedoed Mobley's chances.
https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/ranking-the-top-10-nba-rookie-of?s=rMy reason for choosing Barnes is simple: He’s been the most complete rookie this season. Cunningham has been a better scorer, and Mobley already looks like an All-NBA defender, but it’s Barnes who has shown the ability to be elite on both ends of the floor. In my conversations, NBA scouts project outcomes that include such superstars as Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo. In short, scouts think he could win an MVP award someday.
I definitely see the tide turning to Scottie. CBS' rookie rankings:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-rankings-kings-davion-mitchell-showing-out-as-a-starter-scottie-barnes-rookie-of-the-year-case/4. Scottie Barnes TOR • PF • 4 PPG 13.3 RPG 5.3 APG 5.0
He's played point guard at times, while other times he's just roaming around the court waiting for his opportunity to muscle his way in to the paint and score. He can defend all five positions well, and has often made clutch stops down the stretch. I think Barnes may have the edge over Mobley right now, but these last two weeks could flip flop all the way until the end.