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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1801 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:29 am

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lobosloboslobos wrote:Scottie now averaging 1.4 steals and 2 blocks gives him 3.4 stocks per game
only player in the league with a higher total is Wemby who has 3.5

no other player is over 3.0

In more excited about Barnes defensive potential than his offensive.


I'm completely confident that he will become a dominant offensive player in time.
And a dominant defensive one.
Basically, if all goes well, he should be an MVP candidate for a decade
starting next year or the year after



Ya, just need a proper team with spacing around him cause this current one aint it..
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

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lobosloboslobos wrote:Scottie now averaging 1.4 steals and 2 blocks gives him 3.4 stocks per game
only player in the league with a higher total is Wemby who has 3.5

no other player is over 3.0

Anthony Davis is 3.8, Chet Holmgren 3.2, Herbert Jones 3.2
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1803 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:44 am

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1804 » by Chandan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:17 am

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Pretty good list imo.

Havnt watched clippers much. Is kawhi a tier 5 now?
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Post#1805 » by TheRealDeal » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:42 am

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1806 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:49 pm

First 10 game segment:

36.1 MIN, 20.1 PPG, 9.7 REB, 5.6 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .463 FG, .340 3PT, .756 FT, .552 TS, 24.5 USG
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Post#1807 » by HumbleRen » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:06 pm

Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1808 » by DG88 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:14 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:First 10 game segment:

36.1 MIN, 20.1 PPG, 9.7 REB, 5.6 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .463 FG, .340 3PT, .756 FT, .552 TS, 24.5 USG

We've started to see some regression in his shooting numbers, which we all expected to happen. The offense also seems to have adjusted back to Pascal as the main focal point. Will be interesting to see how Darko tweaks the offense to give them both an opportunity to play well.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1809 » by kleatius_01 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:16 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.


I agree, BUT...

Sabonis is not a top tier nba athlete, and got exposed last year under playoff pressure. When teams play their absolute hardest, defensive liabilities get exposed, and he was.

Lots of young players would struggle in that situation, but he needs to prove he can play at that level.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1810 » by HumbleRen » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:28 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.


I agree, BUT...

Sabonis is not a top tier nba athlete, and got exposed last year under playoff pressure. When teams play their absolute hardest, defensive liabilities get exposed, and he was.

Lots of young players would struggle in that situation, but he needs to prove he can play at that level.


He definitely has his flaws but his floor is just so much higher than Scottie’s right now. As it should be, one is 22 and the other is in his prime.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1811 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:13 pm

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lobosloboslobos wrote:Scottie now averaging 1.4 steals and 2 blocks gives him 3.4 stocks per game
only player in the league with a higher total is Wemby who has 3.5

no other player is over 3.0

Anthony Davis is 3.8, Chet Holmgren 3.2, Herbert Jones 3.2


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Post#1812 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:16 pm

Scottie is still making a huge impact on the game, even in "bad" games, which is a massive change from last year.

His defence, at least for the first 2 1/2 quarters last night, unfortunately was noticeably worse, but I think that's where he was really affected by the loss of OG. He was playing out on the perimeter much more in the first half, and as we've seen in previous years, he struggles there at times. He had a number of reckless closeouts that led to advantages in the half-court for DC.

When Darko went small to finish the game, Scottie was able to get back inside, where he was much better and had some big defensive plays down the stretch.

The moral of the story is that Scottie's defence play, while much improved this year, still seems a bit context-dependent at this stage of his career. He can't really guard all over the court at a high level like OG (and do a lesser extent - Precious) does. But hopefully he'll eventually get there.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1813 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:19 pm

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does anyone think OG belongs on this list and if so where? Does a top 3 defender in the league shooting 39% from 3 not crack the top 50? is he not as valuable as say Bridges or JJJ who are well up that list?
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1814 » by HiJiNX » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:33 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
kleatius_01 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.


I agree, BUT...

Sabonis is not a top tier nba athlete, and got exposed last year under playoff pressure. When teams play their absolute hardest, defensive liabilities get exposed, and he was.

Lots of young players would struggle in that situation, but he needs to prove he can play at that level.


He definitely has his flaws but his floor is just so much higher than Scottie’s right now. As it should be, one is 22 and the other is in his prime.

I’m not sure how you can arrive at this, that Sabonis’ floor is higher than Scottie’s, especially given Scottie’s play this year. His ceiling has been amazing and his floor has been poor scoring but impact everywhere else.

Sabonis has always been overrated. He’s a big bully who shrinks against anybody who isn’t put off by his penchant of recklessly throwing his body around under the rim. He’s also a poor defender. Great passer, though and can catch and finish. But is rendered to be merely pretty good when he’s not able to outmuscle his opponent.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1815 » by sidsid » Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:54 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:Scottie is still making a huge impact on the game, even in "bad" games, which is a massive change from last year.

His defence, at least for the first 2 1/2 quarters last night, unfortunately was noticeably worse, but I think that's where he was really affected by the loss of OG. He was playing out on the perimeter much more in the first half, and as we've seen in previous years, he struggles there at times. He had a number of reckless closeouts that led to advantages in the half-court for DC.

When Darko went small to finish the game, Scottie was able to get back inside, where he was much better and had some big defensive plays down the stretch.

The moral of the story is that Scottie's defence play, while much improved this year, still seems a bit context-dependent at this stage of his career. He can't really guard all over the court at a high level like OG (and do a lesser extent - Precious) does. But hopefully he'll eventually get there.


One of the issues with my preferred starting lineup configurations is that Otto needs to play the roaming 4. Only place you can really put him at this stage in his career. That means Scottie either plays C (a good roaming role, but taxing as a starter) or the perimeter.

Still, it's the way to loosen up the offense.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1816 » by HumbleRen » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:06 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:
kleatius_01 wrote:
I agree, BUT...

Sabonis is not a top tier nba athlete, and got exposed last year under playoff pressure. When teams play their absolute hardest, defensive liabilities get exposed, and he was.

Lots of young players would struggle in that situation, but he needs to prove he can play at that level.


He definitely has his flaws but his floor is just so much higher than Scottie’s right now. As it should be, one is 22 and the other is in his prime.

I’m not sure how you can arrive at this, that Sabonis’ floor is higher than Scottie’s, especially given Scottie’s play this year. His ceiling has been amazing and his floor has been poor scoring but impact everywhere else.

Sabonis has always been overrated. He’s a big bully who shrinks against anybody who isn’t put off by his penchant of recklessly throwing his body around under the rim. He’s also a poor defender. Great passer, though and can catch and finish. But is rendered to be merely pretty good when he’s not able to outmuscle his opponent.



Because Sabonis has been historically better than Scottie ? I’m not using a 10 game sample to declare Scottie’s floor is better than Sabonis’s. That’s insanity.

If Scottie can become a 20/9/5 guy all season then sure, we can revisit this.
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Post#1817 » by tdotrep2 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:12 pm

When scottie has a bad game, it's still an impactful game. When Sabonis has a bad game, he's a ghost. Also, Sabonis was given the perfect role/environment for him to play in, its the complete opposite with Scottie, I would bet if you put him in favorable conditions it would quickly become a non discussion
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Post#1818 » by HumbleRen » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:26 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:When scottie has a bad game, it's still an impactful game. When Sabonis has a bad game, he's a ghost. Also, Sabonis was given the perfect role/environment for him to play in, its the complete opposite with Scottie, I would bet if you put him in favorable conditions it would quickly become a non discussion


So you’re saying Scottie is a fringe all nba player ?

Because that’s the caliber of player that Sabonis is. If you guys are willing to stand on that then I’ll concede.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1819 » by tdotrep2 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:48 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:When scottie has a bad game, it's still an impactful game. When Sabonis has a bad game, he's a ghost. Also, Sabonis was given the perfect role/environment for him to play in, its the complete opposite with Scottie, I would bet if you put him in favorable conditions it would quickly become a non discussion


So you’re saying Scottie is a fringe all nba player ?

Because that’s the caliber of player that Sabonis is. If you guys are willing to stand on that then I’ll concede.

siakam is also, under the right conditions all 3 have the capability to be in those converstations. A lot of the NBA is about circumstance . So yes, I'm saying if scottie was given the keys this season and has a complimentary roster around him, there's a chance he could make all NBA
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#1820 » by TorontoBarneys » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:53 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.


I feel like we've yet to see Scottie's full impact because the roster is just built so badly around him. Scottie can absolutely leapfrog Sabonis and quite soon.

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