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S ID wrote:I found something pretty interesting. So apparently Henry Ellensons brother is a raptors fan?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ellwoodellenson/status/728733948604342272[/tweet]
EDIT: And Henry Ellenson also happens to be a Drake stan. He liked this tweet.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnhenson31/status/727157211521241092[/tweet]
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Tortiglioni wrote:Troubadour wrote:
Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.
Lol. My point is: you are comparing a highly skilled 19-year-old freshman to a 22-year-old senior who needed four years of college to enter the first-round conversation.
Hield has good size for a wing? 6' 3.75 without shoes is piss poor size. Throw in his average-at-best athleticism and you have a problem. Who is he guarding in the NBA? Nobody. Throw a decent NBA defender on Hield and he will pretty much be useless.
His standing reach is fine, 8"6. Completely normal for a 2. Throw a decent defender on Hield and he'll pull them out 4 feet past the 3 point line and open the floor for drivers significantly. I don't care that it took him this long to become a prospect, he put up a .665 TS with 30 usage in 35 minutes a game against good competition. He can get his shot off.
S ID wrote:Spoiler:
I'll repost this from a few pages back. Some slightly interesting info about him.S ID wrote:I found something pretty interesting. So apparently Henry Ellensons brother is a raptors fan?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ellwoodellenson/status/728733948604342272[/tweet]
EDIT: And Henry Ellenson also happens to be a Drake stan. He liked this tweet.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnhenson31/status/727157211521241092[/tweet]
Rayflow wrote:Looked at a few draft boards and some have buddy hield dropping to us at 9...what's your guys' opinion on him? Would you take him? I know he's not the best option position wise as we are loaded at the SG, but he would be the best player available! Has Steph Curry like range
BoyzNTheHood wrote:WeTheNorth123 wrote:I like what i hear...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRGyXhq4oX8[/youtube]
One thing this kid has going for him is that he'll work. The last thing you need a guy with his tools to be is lazy. So I'd put his worst case scenario in that Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche range. But his best case scenario probably hasn't played in the league yet so the closest guys I can think of are possibly Amare Stoudamire or Kevin Garnett (wishful thinking).
What Thon needs to realize (if he hasn't already), is that he has a chance to be special. He has God given tools and one of the strongest foundations to build on that we've ever seen. Now it's on him to start putting the puzzle pieces together. I really hope he does well. He's a good kid and he's not at fault for what burden the media and scouts put on his shoulders. But after disappointing quite a bit I hope he shocks the world and lives up to his massive potential. It would not only be great for his team, it would be great for basketball.
S ID wrote:Who do you guys have at 27?
Lukeem wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:WeTheNorth123 wrote:I like what i hear...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRGyXhq4oX8[/youtube]
One thing this kid has going for him is that he'll work. The last thing you need a guy with his tools to be is lazy. So I'd put his worst case scenario in that Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche range. But his best case scenario probably hasn't played in the league yet so the closest guys I can think of are possibly Amare Stoudamire or Kevin Garnett (wishful thinking).
What Thon needs to realize (if he hasn't already), is that he has a chance to be special. He has God given tools and one of the strongest foundations to build on that we've ever seen. Now it's on him to start putting the puzzle pieces together. I really hope he does well. He's a good kid and he's not at fault for what burden the media and scouts put on his shoulders. But after disappointing quite a bit I hope he shocks the world and lives up to his massive potential. It would not only be great for his team, it would be great for basketball.
That's enough for me to reach for him at 9... everyone will call me crazy but we've got a lottery pick, for what very well could be the last time for a long awhile. Might as well swing for the fences.
I think this following comparison gives a much better idea towards my mindset. Thon Maker vs Sabonis, Sabonis I believe would be more likely to have a long NBA career and a top 8 player on a good team. Thon Maker would be more likely to never find his niche and carve out significant minutes. Thon Maker also would be more likely than Sabonis to be a all star or more. It is not that hard to pick up role players in FA for the MLE. Adding talented basketball freaks that even flirt with being superstars is a lot more difficult.
There is a small percentage chance that that Thon does reach this potential but I'm willing to take that chance over just trying to fill a need at PF with a role player something I believe FA is for.
I do not think Thon is the only option to swing for the fences... Wade Baldwin, Furkan Korkmaz, Denzel Valentine are some others I think we should be looking at.... not to mention if someone falls. If our staff likes a handful of these players then I would be okay with trading down knowing one of the high end guys they are high on will be available. Otherwise if you got one you like don't take any chances and grab him at 9
Mark_83 wrote:Not sure why there's not more consideration for Guerschon Yabusele at our pick. The guy seems to be the perfect pick for that slot. Euro-stash (no need for roster spot), stretch 4, strong (265lb), tough, good reputation as a defender, good length (7'1), and underrated athleticism. A lot of people seem to want Bentil (who I wouldn't mind picking) but I honestly think Yabusele is a better player and he can be stashed.
28.7min
11.5 pts
6.9 reb
1.1 stl
53.9 fg%
42.6 3pt%
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSlVR1EUrY[/youtube]
Micrew18 wrote:Mark_83 wrote:Not sure why there's not more consideration for Guerschon Yabusele at our pick. The guy seems to be the perfect pick for that slot. Euro-stash (no need for roster spot), stretch 4, strong (265lb), tough, good reputation as a defender, good length (7'1), and underrated athleticism. A lot of people seem to want Bentil (who I wouldn't mind picking) but I honestly think Yabusele is a better player and he can be stashed.
28.7min
11.5 pts
6.9 reb
1.1 stl
53.9 fg%
42.6 3pt%
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSlVR1EUrY[/youtube]
Solid looking prospect but he gives me PJ Tucker vibes. Can't create his own offense but a very strong, energetic forward with the ability to hit the catch and shoot 3.. Other players around 27 seemingly have more potential like Bentil (offensively) Maker (athletic freak) and McCaw (3+D with playmaking ability)
super_balls wrote:Lukeem wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:
One thing this kid has going for him is that he'll work. The last thing you need a guy with his tools to be is lazy. So I'd put his worst case scenario in that Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche range. But his best case scenario probably hasn't played in the league yet so the closest guys I can think of are possibly Amare Stoudamire or Kevin Garnett (wishful thinking).
What Thon needs to realize (if he hasn't already), is that he has a chance to be special. He has God given tools and one of the strongest foundations to build on that we've ever seen. Now it's on him to start putting the puzzle pieces together. I really hope he does well. He's a good kid and he's not at fault for what burden the media and scouts put on his shoulders. But after disappointing quite a bit I hope he shocks the world and lives up to his massive potential. It would not only be great for his team, it would be great for basketball.
That's enough for me to reach for him at 9... everyone will call me crazy but we've got a lottery pick, for what very well could be the last time for a long awhile. Might as well swing for the fences.
I think this following comparison gives a much better idea towards my mindset. Thon Maker vs Sabonis, Sabonis I believe would be more likely to have a long NBA career and a top 8 player on a good team. Thon Maker would be more likely to never find his niche and carve out significant minutes. Thon Maker also would be more likely than Sabonis to be a all star or more. It is not that hard to pick up role players in FA for the MLE. Adding talented basketball freaks that even flirt with being superstars is a lot more difficult.
There is a small percentage chance that that Thon does reach this potential but I'm willing to take that chance over just trying to fill a need at PF with a role player something I believe FA is for.
I do not think Thon is the only option to swing for the fences... Wade Baldwin, Furkan Korkmaz, Denzel Valentine are some others I think we should be looking at.... not to mention if someone falls. If our staff likes a handful of these players then I would be okay with trading down knowing one of the high end guys they are high on will be available. Otherwise if you got one you like don't take any chances and grab him at 9
This is exactly why I can see Masai trading down with Denver (15 and 19). Thon @ 15 is not bad and the 19th pick can be moved or used on Korkmaz. 27th can be moved for some VET like Vince.
S ID wrote:Who do you guys have at 27?
TheGoodDoctor wrote:super_balls wrote:Lukeem wrote:
That's enough for me to reach for him at 9... everyone will call me crazy but we've got a lottery pick, for what very well could be the last time for a long awhile. Might as well swing for the fences.
I think this following comparison gives a much better idea towards my mindset. Thon Maker vs Sabonis, Sabonis I believe would be more likely to have a long NBA career and a top 8 player on a good team. Thon Maker would be more likely to never find his niche and carve out significant minutes. Thon Maker also would be more likely than Sabonis to be a all star or more. It is not that hard to pick up role players in FA for the MLE. Adding talented basketball freaks that even flirt with being superstars is a lot more difficult.
There is a small percentage chance that that Thon does reach this potential but I'm willing to take that chance over just trying to fill a need at PF with a role player something I believe FA is for.
I do not think Thon is the only option to swing for the fences... Wade Baldwin, Furkan Korkmaz, Denzel Valentine are some others I think we should be looking at.... not to mention if someone falls. If our staff likes a handful of these players then I would be okay with trading down knowing one of the high end guys they are high on will be available. Otherwise if you got one you like don't take any chances and grab him at 9
This is exactly why I can see Masai trading down with Denver (15 and 19). Thon @ 15 is not bad and the 19th pick can be moved or used on Korkmaz. 27th can be moved for some VET like Vince.
I have no idea why you would think that.
Masai has said on MULTIPLE occasions (including the year end presser) that he doesn't have the roster space even for the picks we have now so there is absolutely no indication of him doing so, in fact given that he's far more likely to do the opposite and trade them away. Not trying to be rude to you at all but just kind of common sense says we're not going to designate 3 roster spots this year, 2 roster spots next year while still having Norm, Bruno and Delon (so 8 players in total - even if you move the #27 as you propose that's more than half the roster) which would mean we could only really retain our starting line up and all of Ross, CoJo and Biz would need to be shipped else where not to mention the cap hold caused by their salaries.
You're not the only one that's proposed this through multiple threads but it really makes absolutely no sense on a team that just won 56 games and made the ECF to do what you're proposing both based on roster spots and financially.
T-d0t wrote:Rayflow wrote:Looked at a few draft boards and some have buddy hield dropping to us at 9...what's your guys' opinion on him? Would you take him? I know he's not the best option position wise as we are loaded at the SG, but he would be the best player available! Has Steph Curry like range
@9 you take him and run no question about it.
Troubadour wrote:Tortiglioni wrote:Troubadour wrote:
Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.
Lol. My point is: you are comparing a highly skilled 19-year-old freshman to a 22-year-old senior who needed four years of college to enter the first-round conversation.
Hield has good size for a wing? 6' 3.75 without shoes is piss poor size. Throw in his average
-at-best athleticism and you have a problem. Who is he guarding in the NBA? Nobody. Throw a decent NBA defender on Hield and he will pretty much be useless.
If the point of the draft is to acquire the best player available, wouldn't it follow that getting a 22 year old Buddy Hield on a rookie scale contract from ages 22 to 26 when he has already done a lot of his own development make the most sense?
He's the same size at JJ Redick, CJ McCollum, and Steph Curry - all of whom get their shot off in the NBA no problem. Hield isn't Jimmer Fredette or Adam Morrison. He has good size 6'4" with 6'9" wingspan and has enough athleticism to have his game translate.
Mark_83 wrote:Micrew18 wrote:Mark_83 wrote:
Solid looking prospect but he gives me PJ Tucker vibes. Can't create his own offense but a very strong, energetic forward with the ability to hit the catch and shoot 3.. Other players around 27 seemingly have more potential like Bentil (offensively) Maker (athletic freak) and McCaw (3+D with playmaking ability)
Fair enough. I'm not sure about the Tucker comparison though, he's more like a Brandon Bass with a 3 or a Sullinger type. I agree he can't really create for himself other than in the post where he basically bully balls to the basket, but I think he has a pretty high floor with a few translatable skills in his shot, defense, energy. Also, in our guard centered offense, with Casey in charge he won't be expected to do very much creating let alone have the ball very much. He'll basically be expected to swing the ball and hit open shots.
I also like that he has a really wide body and base and seems to set good picks like Biyombo does. I think its an underrated quality for s stretch 4 since it will make him an even better pick and pop threat, as defenders can't get skinny around him and will either have to drop down or get caught up in the screen. If they're forced to drop down he'll get more wide open looks. Skinny stretch 4 types always seem to give really bad screens, basically like matador screens cause they don't want to get hit, which I think takes away some of their effectiveness.
super_balls wrote:TheGoodDoctor wrote:super_balls wrote:
This is exactly why I can see Masai trading down with Denver (15 and 19). Thon @ 15 is not bad and the 19th pick can be moved or used on Korkmaz. 27th can be moved for some VET like Vince.
I have no idea why you would think that.
Masai has said on MULTIPLE occasions (including the year end presser) that he doesn't have the roster space even for the picks we have now so there is absolutely no indication of him doing so, in fact given that he's far more likely to do the opposite and trade them away. Not trying to be rude to you at all but just kind of common sense says we're not going to designate 3 roster spots this year, 2 roster spots next year while still having Norm, Bruno and Delon (so 8 players in total - even if you move the #27 as you propose that's more than half the roster) which would mean we could only really retain our starting line up and all of Ross, CoJo and Biz would need to be shipped else where not to mention the cap hold caused by their salaries.
You're not the only one that's proposed this through multiple threads but it really makes absolutely no sense on a team that just won 56 games and made the ECF to do what you're proposing both based on roster spots and financially.
I was thinking instead of reaching for a guy like Maker at 9. Masai could trade the pick down for him @ 15. (The only person to have a roster spot next year along with Bruno, Powell, Wright)
The 19th I suggested would be used on a stash guy like Korkmaz or part of trade for a Vet piece.
The 27th would be used as a sweetener to get/free up some space via Ross Trade. (Bismack)
I understand that it doesn't make sense to have 3 picks this year especially when we were an ECF, 56 win team. It was a hypothetical because I can see Masai liking Maker but not wanting to reach 9 (Turning the 9th into more assets).