2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[StopitLeo]

What's the consensus on what we should do with Norm? Do people want to hold onto him or cash in?

I personally am thinking we should hold onto him and evaluate until the trade deadline. I want to see more of the Kyle, Fred, Norm, Siakam, OG lineup before any moves are made.

Trade him. He’s almost certain to opt out the way he has recently played and given all the free agent money that will be out there.

We have plenty of undersized guards. If you can get a rotation 3/4/5 with average+ size for the position I would do it. Whether that is available now or by the deadline is unclear.

[gerrit4]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

[Rapsfan07]

To Toronto: Oladipo, Turner
To Indiana: Gordon, Hield
To Sacramento: Powell, TOR 2021 1st (top 20 protected)
To Orlando: Vanvleet

I think this works for everyone.

TOR: Lowry/Dipo/OG/Siakam/Turner
IND: Brogdon/Hield/Warren/Gordon/Sabonis
SAC: Fox/Bogdon/Barnes/Bagley/Holmes
ORL: Vanvleet/Fournier/Ross/Aminu/Vucevic

[Rapsfan07]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

Based on the way this free agency went/has gone so far, they better have an under the table contract already signed and sealed or they really, really shat the bed.

It's only one or the other.

[everdiso]

With the current roster, I line it up like this.

Siakam --- Baynes --- (Hernandez)
Anunoby -- Boucher -- (Brissett)
Powell ---- Johnson -- Bembry
VanVleet -- Thomas -- (Harris)
Lowry ----- McCaw --- Flynn

I guess i'm assuming Davis is a goner.

Techinically Baynes might be in the starting lineup, but I think my "starting 5" there will be the only 5 guys getting true starter minutes.

[Lukeem]

With the current roster, I line it up like this.

Siakam --- Baynes --- (Hernandez)
Anunoby -- Boucher -- (Brissett)
Powell ---- Johnson -- Bembry
VanVleet -- Thomas -- (Harris)
Lowry ----- McCaw --- Flynn

I guess i'm assuming Davis is a goner.

Techinically Baynes might be in the starting lineup, but I think my "starting 5" there will be the only 5 guys getting true starter minutes.

The question is how many teams can punish that size. I believe not many. Philly maybe. But I could see og doing a job on embid to frustrate him. Lower center of gravity is very important in that matchup not to mention OGs quickness.

If Boucher can shoot a little more consistently I could see him sneaking into this line too. Does give a bit more rim protection without giving up a lot of speed or shooting.


Also I think Baynes will be utilized in a lot of hybrid defences ala bucks and how they always use Brook Lopez (just not used as a primary that teams can easily exploit and pick a part hopefully in our case)

[everdiso]

With the current roster, I line it up like this.

Siakam --- Baynes --- (Hernandez)
Anunoby -- Boucher -- (Brissett)
Powell ---- Johnson -- Bembry
VanVleet -- Thomas -- (Harris)
Lowry ----- McCaw --- Flynn

I guess i'm assuming Davis is a goner.

Techinically Baynes might be in the starting lineup, but I think my "starting 5" there will be the only 5 guys getting true starter minutes.

The question is how many teams can punish that size. I believe not many. Philly maybe. But I could see og doing a job on embid to frustrate him. Lower center of gravity is very important in that matchup not to mention OGs quickness.

If Boucher can shoot a little more consistently I could see him sneaking into this line too. Does give a bit more rim protection without giving up a lot of speed or shooting.


Also I think Baynes will be utilized in a lot of hybrid defences ala bucks and how they always use Brook Lopez (just not used as a primary that teams can easily exploit and pick a part hopefully in our case)

yeah against primetime Cs like Embiid, Baynes will obviously have to play more.

but in general, Siakam/Anunoby has the size and length of many of the smallball lineups last year - i.e. the Theis/tatum in BOS, Tucker/Covington in HOU, Morris/Trez in LAC, etc.

[gerrit4]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

Based on the way this free agency went/has gone so far, they better have an under the table contract already signed and sealed or they really, really shat the bed.

It's only one or the other.

I doubt it. My guess is that they have a good relationship with Giannis, and have confidence that he'll consider it as a good option.

If we strike out on Giannis, we'll have really only missed out on keeping Serge on a longer deal (like 3/30), and maybe getting someone like Christian Wood or Harry Giles on multiyear deals. I'm sure they would have played their hand differently, but those aren't exactly going to alter the future of the franchise.

I think that no matter what, this wasn't the year to go all in. Maybe they end up trading a pick next summer and taking a good player into their space. Or getting a pick for a bad contract.

[gerrit4]

I think the final move will have to be to get a 3rd C. I think Len would do the trick, otherwise maybe someone like Greg Monroe or Bogut if they're not retired yet?

[Rapsfan07]

I think the final move will have to be to get a 3rd C. I think Len would do the trick, otherwise maybe someone like Greg Monroe or Bogut if they're not retired yet?

I'd rather Kyle O'Quinn. He can do a bit of everything and should come pretty cheaply.

[Rapsfan07]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

Based on the way this free agency went/has gone so far, they better have an under the table contract already signed and sealed or they really, really shat the bed.

It's only one or the other.

I doubt it. My guess is that they have a good relationship with Giannis, and have confidence that he'll consider it as a good option.

If we strike out on Giannis, we'll have really only missed out on keeping Serge on a longer deal (like 3/30), and maybe getting someone like Christian Wood or Harry Giles on multiyear deals. I'm sure they would have played their hand differently, but those aren't exactly going to alter the future of the franchise.

I think that no matter what, this wasn't the year to go all in. Maybe they end up trading a pick next summer and taking a good player into their space. Or getting a pick for a bad contract.

Just considering it is not good enough for me personally to have given up the opportunities available this free agency period. While I do agree with you that this wasn't the year to go all in, if the goal is to lure a superstar, we should have been creating a roster of quality players that he could be successful with. We already don't have the geographical and financial incentives that a team like Miami or Dallas does, plus both of their rosters are much better.

Idk. I lke Giannis and I think he could be the best player on a dynasty but I just don't see why he would come here. Perhaps I'm not as optimistic as most. Either way, I just don't think we did a good job preparing.

But its not over yet - this trade deadline will be a very, very interesting one.

[wtcantfw]

With the current roster, I line it up like this.

Siakam --- Baynes --- (Hernandez)
Anunoby -- Boucher -- (Brissett)
Powell ---- Johnson -- Bembry
VanVleet -- Thomas -- (Harris)
Lowry ----- McCaw --- Flynn

I guess i'm assuming Davis is a goner.

Techinically Baynes might be in the starting lineup, but I think my "starting 5" there will be the only 5 guys getting true starter minutes.

The question is how many teams can punish that size. I believe not many. Philly maybe. But I could see og doing a job on embid to frustrate him. Lower center of gravity is very important in that matchup not to mention OGs quickness.

If Boucher can shoot a little more consistently I could see him sneaking into this line too. Does give a bit more rim protection without giving up a lot of speed or shooting.


Also I think Baynes will be utilized in a lot of hybrid defences ala bucks and how they always use Brook Lopez (just not used as a primary that teams can easily exploit and pick a part hopefully in our case)

yeah against primetime Cs like Embiid, Baynes will obviously have to play more.

but in general, Siakam/Anunoby has the size and length of many of the smallball lineups last year - i.e. the Theis/tatum in BOS, Tucker/Covington in HOU, Morris/Trez in LAC, etc.

In certain match ups it might work, but there's no way Siakam can QB your defense and take a beating down low, while still being the #1 offensive option. He barely made it through last season even with a 3 month break.

[Red_Claw]

I really want one last move. TD for Mfiondu Kabengele in LAC.

At C, they now have Serge, Zubac, Mfiondu and just traded for Oturu.

TD is more of a "win now" player for the Clippers than Mfiondu and we need a young big. Add Hernandez or future 2nd if need be but i think this trade works for both teams.

Our depth chart is set other than maybe adding a vet SF behind OG.

[ill-Will03]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

Based on the way this free agency went/has gone so far, they better have an under the table contract already signed and sealed or they really, really shat the bed.

It's only one or the other.

Why do you think they really shat the bed? Because they did not want to commit to any long term salary for minimal gain? The fact of the matter is no one available in this years free agency would have made us instant title contenders.


So I see nothing wrong with taking a step back this year in order to better set yourself up for the future and a better chance to win a championship. Which is what it’s all about at the end of the day.

[everdiso]

The question is how many teams can punish that size. I believe not many. Philly maybe. But I could see og doing a job on embid to frustrate him. Lower center of gravity is very important in that matchup not to mention OGs quickness.

If Boucher can shoot a little more consistently I could see him sneaking into this line too. Does give a bit more rim protection without giving up a lot of speed or shooting.


Also I think Baynes will be utilized in a lot of hybrid defences ala bucks and how they always use Brook Lopez (just not used as a primary that teams can easily exploit and pick a part hopefully in our case)

yeah against primetime Cs like Embiid, Baynes will obviously have to play more.

but in general, Siakam/Anunoby has the size and length of many of the smallball lineups last year - i.e. the Theis/tatum in BOS, Tucker/Covington in HOU, Morris/Trez in LAC, etc.

In certain match ups it might work, but there's no way Siakam can QB your defense and take a beating down low, while still being the #1 offensive option. He barely made it through last season even with a 3 month break.

then you give the heavier lifting to OG.

Anunoby 6'7", 7'2", 235 ---- Theis 6'8", 7'0", 245 ------- Tucker 6'5", 6'10", 245 ----- Harrell 6'7", 7'4", 240
Siakam 6'8", 7'3", 230 ---- Tatum 6'8", 6'11", 210 ---- Covington 6'6", 7'2", 220 ---- Morris 6'8", 6'10", 240

[Lukeem]

yeah against primetime Cs like Embiid, Baynes will obviously have to play more.

but in general, Siakam/Anunoby has the size and length of many of the smallball lineups last year - i.e. the Theis/tatum in BOS, Tucker/Covington in HOU, Morris/Trez in LAC, etc.

In certain match ups it might work, but there's no way Siakam can QB your defense and take a beating down low, while still being the #1 offensive option. He barely made it through last season even with a 3 month break.

then you give the heavier lifting to OG.

Anunoby 6'7", 7'2", 235 ---- Theis 6'8", 7'0", 245 ------- Tucker 6'5", 6'10", 245 ----- Harrell 6'7", 7'4", 240
Siakam 6'8", 7'3", 230 ---- Tatum 6'8", 6'11", 210 ---- Covington 6'6", 7'2", 220 ---- Morris 6'8", 6'10", 240

In the entire eastern conference. Embid might be only concern

Bam next but OG looked awesome against him. And that’s when we had serge and gasol Anyway

Western conference...? Anyone concern you more than BAM ?

[Raptors_128]

If Kyle wants to be traded to a contender.

Raptors gets: Dedmon + Rui/Deni + 2021 Wizards 1st + TPE
Wizards gets: Westbrook + House
Pistons gets: Wall + 2022 Rockets 1st + Brown Jr. + 2-2nds from Rockets
Houston gets: Lowry

[douggood]

If Kyle wants to be traded to a contender.

Raptors gets: Dedmon + Rui/Deni + 2021 Wizards 1st + TPE
Wizards gets: Westbrook + House
Pistons gets: Wall + 2022 Rockets 1st + Brown Jr. + 2-2nds from Rockets
Houston gets: Lowry

dedmond waived

[Duffman100]

If Kyle wants to be traded to a contender.

Raptors gets: Dedmon + Rui/Deni + 2021 Wizards 1st + TPE
Wizards gets: Westbrook + House
Pistons gets: Wall + 2022 Rockets 1st + Brown Jr. + 2-2nds from Rockets
Houston gets: Lowry

dedmond waived

No way the Wizards give up their 2021 first.

That would be a great haul for Lowry though.

[everdiso]

The interesting thing to me is how Masai & Bobby clearly believe we still have a chance of landing Giannis next summer, despite some indications last week that he may sign the super max.

Based on the way this free agency went/has gone so far, they better have an under the table contract already signed and sealed or they really, really shat the bed.

It's only one or the other.

I doubt it. My guess is that they have a good relationship with Giannis, and have confidence that he'll consider it as a good option.

If we strike out on Giannis, we'll have really only missed out on keeping Serge on a longer deal (like 3/30), and maybe getting someone like Christian Wood or Harry Giles on multiyear deals. I'm sure they would have played their hand differently, but those aren't exactly going to alter the future of the franchise.

I think that no matter what, this wasn't the year to go all in. Maybe they end up trading a pick next summer and taking a good player into their space. Or getting a pick for a bad contract.

I bet Masai would love Gobert as a plan B, too.