Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

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[OakleyDokely]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

[Purple+Black]

Achiuwa level? lol Ouch.

It’s bad lol and even though he’s still one of my
favourite prospects this year because of everything else he does, I can’t sugar coat the shooting woes.

This means we will definitely draft him.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

[BoyzNTheHood]

Achiuwa level? lol Ouch.

It’s bad lol and even though he’s still one of my
favourite prospects this year because of everything else he does, I can’t sugar coat the shooting woes.

This means we will definitely draft him.

He’s actually really good, but he’ll be out of our range anyways.

[Indeed]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

I think he doesn't play above the rim as well.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

I think he doesn't play above the rim as well.

To be honest that doesn’t bother me if you get the job done. But giving no effort on defense shows a lack of care. Obviously Demar is better, but it would be something like adding a younger Demar to our roster.

[OakleyDokely]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

[OakleyDokely]

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

The interview will be important with him. See where his heads at.

His efficiency offensively for a freshman is top tier which is why it's hard to dismiss him.

[BoyzNTheHood]

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

The interview will be important with him. See where his heads at.

His efficiency offensively for a freshman is top tier which is why it's hard to dismiss him.

It’s easy to see where you’re coming from. He’s probably the most efficient scorer in the NCAA as a freshman. I just need that defense lol

[ATLTimekeeper]

Elite offensive numbers but a pylon defensively

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

Doesn't pass, doesn't defend. That's a bench player. Easy pass.

[OakleyDokely]

He has really good size and he's built well so he shouldn't be terrible at that level. Maybe it's an effort thing and you can correct it somewhat.

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

Doesn't pass, doesn't defend. That's a bench player. Easy pass.

Most of these guys don't really pass though. Whitmore, Hendricks, GG Jackson, Dick, Jett, Walker, Smith, Murray etc all have low assist totals as well.

That's a skill that often has to be developed unless the player comes up as a ballhandling guard.

For me, it's really about whether you can get him to an acceptable level defensively.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

Doesn't pass, doesn't defend. That's a bench player. Easy pass.

None of these guys really pass though. Whitmore, Hendricks, GG Jackson, Dick, Jett, Walker, Smith, Murray etc all have low assist totals as well.

That's a skill that often has to be developed unless the player comes up as a ballhandling guard.

For me, it's really about whether you can get him to an acceptable level defensively.

Hendricks, Walker and Dick will play defense and can contribute offensive off the ball, so they have solid starter potential. If you're a hub on offense and you don't defend or pass, you will be a frustrating starter (John Collins) or a bench player. That's the destiny. Murray is a bench player, too. When you're that bad on defense, it will translate to the NBA. You won't be talked into committing.

I've already said my piece about GG, Jett and Smith.

[OakleyDokely]

Doesn't pass, doesn't defend. That's a bench player. Easy pass.

None of these guys really pass though. Whitmore, Hendricks, GG Jackson, Dick, Jett, Walker, Smith, Murray etc all have low assist totals as well.

That's a skill that often has to be developed unless the player comes up as a ballhandling guard.

For me, it's really about whether you can get him to an acceptable level defensively.

Hendricks, Walker and Dick will play defense and can contribute offensive off the ball, so they have solid starter potential. If you're a hub on offense and you don't defend or pass, you will be a frustrating starter (John Collins) or a bench player. That's the destiny. Murray is a bench player, too. When you're that bad on defense, it will translate to the NBA. You won't be talked into committing.

I've already said my piece about GG, Jett and Smith.

I guess it depends on your expectations, but if you can get a 6th man type scorer in the mid 1st, I think that's good value. Then you try to develop other parts of his game.

[Ell Curry]

9th worst odds as 10th seed with 20% chance at top 4 and 4.5% top 1 within reach.

Maybe Raps will disappoint us even more by losing next three at home to be leapfrogged by the Pacers.

9th would be decent. If you figure Wemby, Scoot, Miller, the Thompsons and Walker are gone, then 2 of Wallace, Whitmore, Black, Dick, George and Hendricks are gone, and we probably get to choose between 2 wings from whoever is left from Dick/Whitmore/Hendricks and one of Black/Wallace.

[Dalek]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Sensabaugh isn't discussed a lot, but he has impressive numbers. As others point out his defense at 230 lbs will be a question. Cam Whitmore who is similar in size uses it better on the defensive end, but Brice is a much more dynamic scorer.

One question I come to is will he be better than Ron Harper Jr. Both are sort of undersized PFs who can cook offensively. While Brice is only a freshman, it is still interesting to see how close they track:

Ron Harper Jr. senior season at Rutgers:
34 MIN, 15.8, 5.9, 1.9 AST, .444, .398 3PT, .795 FT, .570 TS%
BPM 5.8
DPM 1.2

Sensabaugh
BPM 7.6
DPM 0.2

Whitmore
BPM 5.2
DPM 2

I am not sold he is that much better than Harper Jr., and even if he is, RHJ has barely played for Toronto and was undrafted. Kind of a tough sell for me to draft Sensabaugh in the first when we don't know if he fits long-term.

[Yallbecrazy]

It’s possible. It’s just that having to correct effort is such a red flag for me.

Doesn't pass, doesn't defend. That's a bench player. Easy pass.

Most of these guys don't really pass though. Whitmore, Hendricks, GG Jackson, Dick, Jett, Walker, Smith, Murray etc all have low assist totals as well.

That's a skill that often has to be developed unless the player comes up as a ballhandling guard.

For me, it's really about whether you can get him to an acceptable level defensively.

Guys who can't pass usually don't develop defensively. A good assist to turnover ratio for a non pg( as there is a lot of noise for point guards in this stat so its predictability isn't as good) is a predictor of future defense. High BBIQ is so important and steals+ assist/tov and to a lesser extent fouls committed are the best indicators we have of it.

I liked Walker Kessler a lot last year because he got a lot of steals for a big man and also had a very low foul rate with an incredible block rate. Even though he didn't get a lot of assists, he didn't turn it over much either. Sensabaugh grades out terribly in everything other than scoring which is a pretty big red flag.

[OakleyDokely]

Brice Sensabaugh as a starter (21 games):

27.1 MIN, 17.8 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, .498 FG, .408 3PT, .811 FT, .593 TS%

Sensabaugh isn't discussed a lot, but he has impressive numbers. As others point out his defense at 230 lbs will be a question. Cam Whitmore who is similar in size uses it better on the defensive end, but Brice is a much more dynamic scorer.

One question I come to is will he be better than Ron Harper Jr. Both are sort of undersized PFs who can cook offensively. While Brice is only a freshman, it is still interesting to see how close they track:

Ron Harper Jr. senior season at Rutgers:
34 MIN, 15.8, 5.9, 1.9 AST, .444, .398 3PT, .795 FT, .570 TS%
BPM 5.8
DPM 1.2

Sensabaugh
BPM 7.6
DPM 0.2

Whitmore
BPM 5.2
DPM 2

I am not sold he is that much better than Harper Jr., and even if he is, RHJ has barely played for Toronto and was undrafted. Kind of a tough sell for me to draft Sensabaugh in the first when we don't know if he fits long-term.

Thing is, when RHJ was a freshman, he put 7 PPG on shooting splits of 41/27/68

[OakleyDokely]

This is a draft I can see Masai going way off the board (especially if he's drafting for long term upside) and people reacting with WTF.