Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[Reeko]

I think Siakam and Scottie should switch places. Siakam is just a way better creator in the half court compared to Scottie at the moment.

Run some 2 man plays between GTJ/Siakam.

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and Lowry. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

We can respectfully disagree lol. We don’t need a natural playmaker with the bench. We need an offence creator.

Scottie deferring to Flynn, Boucher and Precious is just asking for the bench to lose every single minute that they’re on the court.

Is Scottie really deferring to them or is it that they don't have the self awareness to defer to him? Guys like Flynn and Precious are fighting for their careers but it seems like they don't realize that a guy like Scottie can get them paid by just trusting him and playing off of him.

[HumbleRen]

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and Lowry. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

We can respectfully disagree lol. We don’t need a natural playmaker with the bench. We need an offence creator.

Scottie deferring to Flynn, Boucher and Precious is just asking for the bench to lose every single minute that they’re on the court.

Is Scottie really deferring to them or is it that they don't have the self awareness to defer to him? Guys like Flynn and Precious are fighting for their careers but it seems like they don't realize that a guy like Scottie can get them paid by just trusting him and playing off of him.

He 100% defers. His free throw rates are cut in half with the bench.

He reverts to a PG mindset when he runs with the bench, he wants to set up the guys. That approach is great with the starters but that’s not what the bench needs.

If Scottie isn’t going to be aggressive with scoring, Precious and Boucher of the worlds will feel the need to take on that role.

BUT, the bench is also **** terrible lol. Otto and Gradey need to be on the floor with Scottie at all times. I hate how Darko runs his rotations.

[Reeko]

We can respectfully disagree lol. We don’t need a natural playmaker with the bench. We need an offence creator.

Scottie deferring to Flynn, Boucher and Precious is just asking for the bench to lose every single minute that they’re on the court.

Is Scottie really deferring to them or is it that they don't have the self awareness to defer to him? Guys like Flynn and Precious are fighting for their careers but it seems like they don't realize that a guy like Scottie can get them paid by just trusting him and playing off of him.

He 100% defers. His free throw rates are cut in half with the bench.

He reverts to a PG mindset when he runs with the bench, he wants to set up the guys. That approach is great with the starters but that’s not what the bench needs.

If Scottie isn’t going to be aggressive with scoring, Precious and Boucher of the worlds will feel the need to take on that role.

BUT, the bench is also **** terrible lol. Otto and Gradey need to be on the floor with Scottie at all times. I hate how Darko runs his rotations.

I've seen Precious acting like he's the #1 option when he's out there with starters lol, I don't think everyone is deferring to Precious in those situations. Anyway, it doesn't need to be black and white, we could both be right to varying degrees on this issue. As for Darko's rotations, it seems like he has a pretty clear mandate from the FO to turn Flynn and Precious into something or to see if they can turn into something, and maybe he feels like the all bench lineups or Scottie +bench lineup is the best way to showcase them. Flynn has shown some flashes of promise, Precious looks good defensively but is such a dumpster fire on offense. Boucher is who he is at this point: a double edged sword who I think is generally a positive but definitely has his "wtf are you doing?" moments.

[MoMan24]

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and Lowry. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

We can respectfully disagree lol. We don’t need a natural playmaker with the bench. We need an offence creator.

Scottie deferring to Flynn, Boucher and Precious is just asking for the bench to lose every single minute that they’re on the court.

Is Scottie really deferring to them or is it that they don't have the self awareness to defer to him? Guys like Flynn and Precious are fighting for their careers but it seems like they don't realize that a guy like Scottie can get them paid by just trusting him and playing off of him.

Bingo. Players like Jokic, Halliburton, LeBron give the ball up early all the time, have other guys bring the ball up, but they know to bring the ball back to them. You can't just have Scottie hold the ball every position and make every decision and just freeze everyone out until he takes a shot or sets up someone for a shot. That's unrealistic and ugly game. The IQ of the players around him are horrific. I do agree he needs to be more selfish with the bench but the coaching staff has to emphasis to get Scottie touches and work through him instead of Flynn+Precious PnR.

[HumbleRen]

Is Scottie really deferring to them or is it that they don't have the self awareness to defer to him? Guys like Flynn and Precious are fighting for their careers but it seems like they don't realize that a guy like Scottie can get them paid by just trusting him and playing off of him.

He 100% defers. His free throw rates are cut in half with the bench.

He reverts to a PG mindset when he runs with the bench, he wants to set up the guys. That approach is great with the starters but that’s not what the bench needs.

If Scottie isn’t going to be aggressive with scoring, Precious and Boucher of the worlds will feel the need to take on that role.

BUT, the bench is also **** terrible lol. Otto and Gradey need to be on the floor with Scottie at all times. I hate how Darko runs his rotations.

I've seen Precious acting like he's the #1 option when he's out there with starters lol, I don't think everyone is deferring to Precious in those situations. Anyway, it doesn't need to be black and white, we could both be right to varying degrees on this issue. As for Darko's rotations, it seems like he has a pretty clear mandate from the FO to turn Flynn and Precious into something or to see if they can turn into something, and maybe he feels like the all bench lineups or Scottie +bench lineup is the best way to showcase them. Flynn has shown some flashes of promise, Precious looks good defensively but is such a dumpster fire on offense. Boucher is who he is at this point: a double edged sword who I think is generally a positive but definitely has his "wtf are you doing?" moments.

I think he can still augment his rotations to let Flynn and Precious get their touches.

The line ups he’s throwing out there with Scottie is borderline malpractice lol.

[Tripod]

It's just so odd to see Barnes parked in the corner while Flynn and Achiuwa are the decision makers with that bench unit.

And maybe it's just Darko wanting to see what Achiuwa can do since he missed a bunch of time. But we have seen him for years and know he is low IQ and shouldn't be that guy.

Get Barnes in the hub and park Achiuwa in a 3 pt spot. Of course ideally, Achiuwa and Boucher are not in the floor at the same time.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

It's just so odd to see Barnes parked in the corner while Flynn and Achiuwa are the decision makers with that bench unit.

And maybe it's just Darko wanting to see what Achiuwa can do since he missed a bunch of time. But we have seen him for years and know he is low IQ and shouldn't be that guy.

Get Barnes in the hub and park Achiuwa in a 3 pt spot. Of course ideally, Achiuwa and Boucher are not in the floor at the same time.

It's like Darko is over compensating for Nick and playing Flynn and Precious all the time in the name of "development". There are stretches during the game when they are the initiators of the offence that it feels like garbage time.

[YogurtProducer]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

I think Siakam and Scottie should switch places. Siakam is just a way better creator in the half court compared to Scottie at the moment.

Run some 2 man plays between GTJ/Siakam.

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and not Demar. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

Come on man, Siakam has multiple seasons of scoring 22-24ppg and averaging 5-6 assists a game on better efficiency than what Scottie is doing right now.

Scottie the better defender, but Siakam is the better offensive piece.

I dont mind Scottie with the bench to get some reps running the offense, but Siakam has played with bums like Precious/Boucher/Flynn for 3+ years now as well.

[Vampirate]

As much as Barnes shooting has fallen, tbh, him still being at .340 from 3 on 5.3 attempts a game is an 'i'll gladly take that 10 games into the season'.

He's clearly shown that while his three point shot can grow very cold, it can also heat up. It's not league average, but I believe it's heading in the right direction.

Tbh his mid range atm is probably his best weapon looking at the stats.

Him shooting .623 at the rim and .422 from 3-10 feet will most likely improve with time.

His shooting from 16-3P will fall of by quite a bit (to what, I don't know) but his shooting from 10-16 feet should improve.

[YogurtProducer]

As much as Barnes shooting has fallen, tbh, him still being at .340 from 3 on 5.3 attempts a game is an 'i'll gladly take that 10 games into the season'.

He's clearly shown that while his three point shot can grow very cold, it can also heat up. It's not league average, but I believe it's heading in the right direction.

Tbh his mid range atm is probably his best weapon looking at the stats.

Him shooting .623 at the rim and .422 from 3-10 feet will most likely improve with time.

His shooting from 16-3P will fall of by quite a bit (to what, I don't know) but his shooting from 10-16 feet should improve.

Barnes shows 3 point shooting to start every year

Rookie year after 9 attempts in October, shot 40% and 36% in Nov/Dec
last year shot 52% from 3 in October
This year came out flying in October

Seems to me his fundamentals slip as the year goes on

[Vampirate]

As much as Barnes shooting has fallen, tbh, him still being at .340 from 3 on 5.3 attempts a game is an 'i'll gladly take that 10 games into the season'.

He's clearly shown that while his three point shot can grow very cold, it can also heat up. It's not league average, but I believe it's heading in the right direction.

Tbh his mid range atm is probably his best weapon looking at the stats.

Him shooting .623 at the rim and .422 from 3-10 feet will most likely improve with time.

His shooting from 16-3P will fall of by quite a bit (to what, I don't know) but his shooting from 10-16 feet should improve.

Barnes shows 3 point shooting to start every year

Rookie year after 9 attempts in October, shot 40% and 36% in Nov/Dec
last year shot 52% from 3 in October
This year came out flying in October

Seems to me his fundamentals slip as the year goes on

This may be true, but it's misleading to say this when he's only had 2 seasons under his belt.

Him shooting bad in his rookie season was all but guaranteed. Him becoming anywhere close to league average in year 2 was a big ask.

You pretty much only have 1 real season to go off of, his 2nd season. (even KD struggled in efficiency his rookie year)

[WuTang_CMB]

I'd like to see Barnes clobber the inside tonight with no Giannis

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Superstar just waiting to pop off but he's being held back by the management for building the worst supporting cast possible around him

[Tha Cynic]

Just increase Barnes' usage to 30% and get him some shooters with half a brain. This will be a fun team to watch.

[hype_2004]

Just increase Barnes usage to 30% and get him some shooters with half a brain. This will be a fun team to watch.

Put Barnes in that Milwaukee team full of shooters instead of Giannis and I think they're legit contenders.

[tdotrep2]

the fast break merchant running the pnr like luka doncic... hmm

[TorontoBarneys]

If we tank it should be to tank hard I highly doubt we need to tank beyond 2 years, if not even 1. Tank inhumanely hard in '24 and get Alex Sarr. Watch him and Scottie dominate.

[Tha Cynic]

the fast break merchant running the pnr like luka doncic... hmm

He's getting very good at reading the pnr and he's playing with the worst shooters in the league lol. At some point Masai is going to have to decide to get shooters and then we'll really see how he operates with the defense unable to cheat.

[HiJiNX]

In the words of Keyshawn Johnson—just give him the damn ball.

[Syd-TK3]

the fast break merchant running the pnr like luka doncic... hmm

He's getting very good at reading the pnr and he's playing with the worst shooters in the league lol. At some point Masai is going to have to decide to get shooters and then we'll really see how he operates with the defense unable to cheat.

I was told barnes can't run a pick and roll tho because he has no pull up shooting.
Garbage time or not he was displaying a lot of good reads tonight