Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0

[YogurtProducer]

Have videos of IQ, Gradey, Mogbo, Chomchee and Ochai
In the club

First thoughts, they all tall af except for IQ but I'm 6ft.
They cool tho, asked for a picture from Gradey but he said anywhere else but in the club. Had a short convo with mogbo, IQ, and chomchee, they all cool and down to earth.

Serious question cause I assume TO is different than it is out here... how old are people that go to the club? Around here anyone doing it above the age of like 23 or 24 is viewed as kind of a weirdo.

[HiJiNX]

Knecht is shooting 44 from the field 36 from deep so far and the stock production has to be an anomaly. Not sold on him as a main scoring option on a winning team down the line and not sold on him as a lower USG option on such a team either unless he actually starts producing on the glass and D which would be very surprising. There's such a good sample of his stock production, shooting efficiency and overall D so I can't buy in.

He’s a fourth option or good scorer off the bench imo.

Which is better than anything we have on our bench and 2/5 of our starting 5. He's super efficient and don't really need the ball in bis hands to get 14-15 ppg. Unlike Barrett.

Kinda similar to Redicks game with the clippers back then.

Oh I’d love him on this squad haha. Slots right into the two guard spot.

[HiJiNX]

Have videos of IQ, Gradey, Mogbo, Chomchee and Ochai
In the club

First thoughts, they all tall af except for IQ but I'm 6ft.
They cool tho, asked for a picture from Gradey but he said anywhere else but in the club. Had a short convo with mogbo, IQ, and chomchee, they all cool and down to earth.

Serious question cause I assume TO is different than it is out here... how old are people that go to the club? Around here anyone doing it above the age of like 23 or 24 is viewed as kind of a weirdo.

Toronto has different clubs for different age demographics. There’s the 19-25 demos. Then the late 20s to early 30s clubs. Then the 35+ joints. Best not to find yourself in the wrong spot though cuz like you said, that’s weird behaviour haha.

[ForeverTFC]

Now Kawhi is out for an undetermined period with knee inflammation I would say that the Clips pick in 2025 is very valuable. Toronto should do everything it can to get it from OKC including trading RJ or Poeltl or even Gradey Dick.

Imagine getting two lotto picks this year. It would change the Raps outlook.

On the flipside, imagine OKC getting Flagg or Ace Bailey. We may be living in a dynasty soon enough.

Not a chance in hell they trade for any of our players with JDub & Chet's contracts right around the corner when they already have Dort, Hartenstein & Caruso's contracts. They'll need as many "cheap" (but good) players as they can get and of course the draft does exactly that when you connect on them and then you basically killed your own idea with the last sentence you wrote lol...

Why on earth would they throw away the chance to create another core with dynastic potential?!? lol Especially a guy like Presti that values the draft arguably as much as anyone not named Hinkie. IF they move their draft picks it's going to be a superstar which is crazy to think that if OKC doesn't have (more) luck in the draft...they could also just trade for another established star. It's actually insane how well positioned they are to dominate the next near decade.

So we better pray for our own luck because I don't think some people realize if we're ever winning a chip, we're gonna have to go through a prime OKC or Vic plus whatever...least we mention Tatum/Brown for the next 4+ years...

I’m not sure how you keep a team like that together in a market like OKC, especially under the current cap rules. The JDub and Chet extensions will be extremely interesting. If they have to max both of them, the clock starts ticking really fast on that roster. It sounds ridiculous to say, but their window may be the next 2 years, despite how young they are.

[DreamTeam09]

Raptor killer Max Strus out 6weeks, they still have Raptor killer levert playing tho. I have us beating cleavland tho

[Dalek]

Raptor killer Max Strus out 6weeks, they still have Raptor killer levert playing tho. I have us beating cleavland tho

I am hyped to see some Jaylon Tyson play against us.

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It is pretty fun to watch a guy live in college in a meaningless game and then see him make the NBA a few months later.

[DreamTeam09]

Raptor killer Max Strus out 6weeks, they still have Raptor killer levert playing tho. I have us beating cleavland tho

I am hyped to see some Jaylon Tyson play against us.

Watch on YouTube

It is pretty fun to watch a guy live in college in a meaningless game and then see him make the NBA a few months later.

I'm a fan, he was who I wanted on draft Day after Ware TDS and Kenchet was off the board. Walter was ranked higher so I didn't mind, looks like Walter has more movement shooting whike Tyson has more iso ability

[PushDaRock]

Now Kawhi is out for an undetermined period with knee inflammation I would say that the Clips pick in 2025 is very valuable. Toronto should do everything it can to get it from OKC including trading RJ or Poeltl or even Gradey Dick.

Imagine getting two lotto picks this year. It would change the Raps outlook.

On the flipside, imagine OKC getting Flagg or Ace Bailey. We may be living in a dynasty soon enough.

Not a chance in hell they trade for any of our players with JDub & Chet's contracts right around the corner when they already have Dort, Hartenstein & Caruso's contracts. They'll need as many "cheap" (but good) players as they can get and of course the draft does exactly that when you connect on them and then you basically killed your own idea with the last sentence you wrote lol...

Why on earth would they throw away the chance to create another core with dynastic potential?!? lol Especially a guy like Presti that values the draft arguably as much as anyone not named Hinkie. IF they move their draft picks it's going to be a superstar which is crazy to think that if OKC doesn't have (more) luck in the draft...they could also just trade for another established star. It's actually insane how well positioned they are to dominate the next near decade.

So we better pray for our own luck because I don't think some people realize if we're ever winning a chip, we're gonna have to go through a prime OKC or Vic plus whatever...least we mention Tatum/Brown for the next 4+ years...

I’m not sure how you keep a team like that together in a market like OKC, especially under the current cap rules. The JDub and Chet extensions will be extremely interesting. If they have to max both of them, the clock starts ticking really fast on that roster. It sounds ridiculous to say, but their window may be the next 2 years, despite how young they are.

This is why I was saying they should have went for it last year and extended it to more of a 3 year window for the best crack at getting a Championship. SGA will be up for his likely 80m AAV extension as well when Chet and Williams have their 2nd contracts kick in.

I think the value of good players under rookie deals will sky rocket in this new environment. It will become similar to the NFL where contending with a QB on a rookie deal is much easier because you can build a much better supporting roster around them when your QB isn't making 60m a year.

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[ForeverTFC]

Feels like a lot for a bench piece for at least the first 2 years of that contract. But they had to do it, he's good and will probably take over the starting spot from CJ when he expires in '26 (not sure anyone is trading for CJ at ~$30m per at this point).

That's 80% of what IQ got btw.

[raptorforlife88]

Feels like a lot for a bench piece for at least the first 2 years of that contract. But they had to do it, he's good and will probably take over the starting spot from CJ when he expires in '26 (not sure anyone is trading for CJ at ~$30m per at this point).

That's 80% of what IQ got btw.

Four year deal unlike the five for IQ so that next deal would potentially be much pricier a year earlier. Trade-off.

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[YogurtProducer]

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Welp. Glad to pay IQ $32M instead of $30M to Suggs.

Lotta money for a 3+D PG

[Duffman100]

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Welp. Glad to pay IQ $32M instead of $30M to Suggs.

Lotta money for a 3+D PG

I'm really like Suggs. I agree that I think IQ is likely better value at the price point over the next little bit.

But wouldn't surprise me if Suggs takes another jump.

[ForeverTFC]

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Welp. Glad to pay IQ $32M instead of $30M to Suggs.

Lotta money for a 3+D PG

I'm really like Suggs. I agree that I think IQ is likely better value at the price point over the next little bit.

But wouldn't surprise me if Suggs takes another jump.

I'm not sold on him ever being a real PG. May be fine for Orlando as they want Paolo and Franz to have the ball as much as possible, but I still think a true floor general is pretty important in the NBA, and I don't see either of those guys getting to that level either.

So if the upside isn't going to come from there, he probably needs to increase his 3pt volume and keep his % up. He did well last year and actually shot pretty good on both C&S and Pull-ups during the RS, but his 3pt% came down below 30% during the playoffs (vs 40% in the RS). Good on his agent for locking this up for him, I feel like the magic are taking a risk here.

I think IQ's upside is under-appreciated.

[ForeverTFC]

2+1 for Jalen Green slightly below his max. Interesting deal for both sides. I think they hold off on Sengun until the off-season, and unless something goes very wrong, he gets his max.

[PushDaRock]

Feels like a lot for a bench piece for at least the first 2 years of that contract. But they had to do it, he's good and will probably take over the starting spot from CJ when he expires in '26 (not sure anyone is trading for CJ at ~$30m per at this point).

That's 80% of what IQ got btw.

I think the Pelicans got a bargain. Assuming no improvement, you still have an athletic 6"8 guy that's a high volume shooter who makes threes at a 40% clip. That's at a premium everywhere in the league and certainly worth 28m AAV given he's just 24 and you are getting his prime years. His USG has also been very low in his career because he plays with Ingram, Zion and CJ. There's a chance at a major break out if he gets some more opportunity. He's getting paid now as if he won't ever break out IMO.

[douggood]

2+1 for Jalen Green slightly below his max. Interesting deal for both sides. I think they hold off on Sengun until the off-season, and unless something goes very wrong, he gets his max.

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[douggood]

Welp. Glad to pay IQ $32M instead of $30M to Suggs.

Lotta money for a 3+D PG

I'm really like Suggs. I agree that I think IQ is likely better value at the price point over the next little bit.

But wouldn't surprise me if Suggs takes another jump.

I'm not sold on him ever being a real PG. May be fine for Orlando as they want Paolo and Franz to have the ball as much as possible, but I still think a true floor general is pretty important in the NBA, and I don't see either of those guys getting to that level either.

So if the upside isn't going to come from there, he probably needs to increase his 3pt volume and keep his % up. He did well last year and actually shot pretty good on both C&S and Pull-ups during the RS, but his 3pt% came down below 30% during the playoffs (vs 40% in the RS). Good on his agent for locking this up for him, I feel like the magic are taking a risk here.

I think IQ's upside is under-appreciated.

rough math on suggs extension, but looks like will make more than IQ in the last year or two of his contract.