2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[cammac]

Early is also interesting because he is averaged significantly less minutes than many of his other SF competitors. He clocked around 27 mins per game while scoring 16 ppg and grabbing 6 boards, and averaging just under a block and steal per game.

Jabari Parker scored 19 ppg, 8.7 boards, 1.1 steals, and 1.2 blocks in 30 mins.
TJ Warren scored 24 ppg, 6 boards, 1.8 steals, and 0.6 blocks in 35 mins.
Cleanthony Early 16 ppg, 6 boards, 0.8 steals, and 0.8 blocks in 27 mins.

Early is also 63% true shooting so he is efficient (actually second to only Doug McDermott among legit draft worthy SFs).

KJ McDaniels, TJ Warren, and Kyle Anderson all hover around 57% true shooting while Jabari Parker is 56%.

Basically, Early is extremely underrated considering his scoring skill from multiple places on the floor. He would be a good fit despite his older age.

He's probably the best 3-point shooter of the bunch, and perhaps only second to KJ in defense as well. I don't like him at 20 but I do like him.

See him closer to Jimmer than Lillard a total bust.

[mademan]

What are people's thoughts on Elfrid Payton here? Dude's got a crazy first step, is al heart, all hustle, great size, great athleticism and makes sooo many winning plays. He's got great mechanics on his shot and looks like he can improve well there. Dude would go top 8 in most drafts.

[Naysorn]

Early is also interesting because he is averaged significantly less minutes than many of his other SF competitors. He clocked around 27 mins per game while scoring 16 ppg and grabbing 6 boards, and averaging just under a block and steal per game.

Jabari Parker scored 19 ppg, 8.7 boards, 1.1 steals, and 1.2 blocks in 30 mins.
TJ Warren scored 24 ppg, 6 boards, 1.8 steals, and 0.6 blocks in 35 mins.
Cleanthony Early 16 ppg, 6 boards, 0.8 steals, and 0.8 blocks in 27 mins.

Early is also 63% true shooting so he is efficient (actually second to only Doug McDermott among legit draft worthy SFs).

KJ McDaniels, TJ Warren, and Kyle Anderson all hover around 57% true shooting while Jabari Parker is 56%.

Basically, Early is extremely underrated considering his scoring skill from multiple places on the floor. He would be a good fit despite his older age.

He's probably the best 3-point shooter of the bunch, and perhaps only second to KJ in defense as well. I don't like him at 20 but I do like him.

See him closer to Jimmer than Lillard a total bust.

Jimmer isn't a bust.

[cammac]

He's probably the best 3-point shooter of the bunch, and perhaps only second to KJ in defense as well. I don't like him at 20 but I do like him.

See him closer to Jimmer than Lillard a total bust.

Jimmer isn't a bust.

You are right 3rd. string PGs on a team that lost #1 PG had Toronto's #3 PG as starter, veteran Hinrich as back-up then Jimmer shouldn't be considered a bust.

[BillyGM]

Second to KJ on defense? lol wtf

[Indeed]

Please explain if possible without anything related to his measurements.

Has the closest dribble set to Iverson I've seen. Knock down shooter. Very good fundamental defence. Great Court Vision.

If he was a sophmore coming out, he'd be chasing Marcus Smart's spot in this draft.

But projecting to the pros?? Please explain your statement. I can name a few PG's who went in the top 10 the past ten years that he's head and shoulders above.

Napier>Payton/Ennis.

Napier lacks the quickness to be a good defender. I don't think he can be a starter, but he can be a very good off the bench PG. Maybe comparable with Augustin?

I'm sorry but i respectfully disagree. Augustin did go top 7 in his draft year though.

Napier would be excellent off of the bench, you're right. He would be able to get into the paint and create w/ the pass. He will also be able to keep defences honest b/c he can drill the 3.

I feel like everyone is expecting us to draft a wing and suddenly our problems are solved. The way I see it, Vasquez is two guard who can create like Manu. Bring in another dynamic playmaker at PG and find a way to grab a wing in Free Agency.

When is the last time we drafted a PG? We know we can keep a profitable contract for at least 4 years and we're also hedging if Lowry bolts.

Shabazz is a winner w/ 2 National Championship - that to me makes up for 'potential' and measurements.

I just don't see he has that kind of upside. Reddick was great in college as well, but he has his limitation once he played in the NBA. Napier is definitely not the BPA.

[Indeed]

Better than Inglis who scored 4 ppg and that too in the Euro League. Antetokounmpo can shoot the 3 way better than Inglis and can score the ball better. With Inglis scoring is a huge question mark. He struggled to score in the Euro League so how's he gonna score in the NBA? If he can't score he will become a liability on offence, like Fields.

How do you know Inglis struggles to score? Based on 4ppg instead of advance metric?

I didn't just get it out of nowhere. Check out his scouting report by dx.

I think it is best to use advance metric, or at least you use per 40 mins for a metric that can actually compare to other players.

I can't say too much about Inglis, since there is lack of information, but I don't think his offense is that bad as compare to Antekokounmpo. The difference of both players are, Inglis is much younger with high basketball IQ, while Thanasis is quicker and capable of shooting the 3s.

[SkywalkerAC]

Second to KJ on defense? lol wtf

I said perhaps. Is Anderson or Warren significantly better or something?

[SkywalkerAC]

I do think Napier is a little underrated. He isn't the unathletic homer that people are making him out to be. I mean, I don't want him, but I don't even want Ennis.

[Naysorn]

See him closer to Jimmer than Lillard a total bust.

Jimmer isn't a bust.

You are right 3rd. string PGs on a team that lost #1 PG had Toronto's #3 PG as starter, veteran Hinrich as back-up then Jimmer shouldn't be considered a bust.

He was projected to be a solid NBA player, and I believe he can be that in the right system or maybe even if he was given the opportunity. Too early to call him a bust.

[SkywalkerAC]

Jimmer isn't a bust.

You are right 3rd. string PGs on a team that lost #1 PG had Toronto's #3 PG as starter, veteran Hinrich as back-up then Jimmer shouldn't be considered a bust.

He was projected to be a solid NBA player, and I believe he can be that in the right system or maybe even if he was given the opportunity. Too early to call him a bust.

He's not a complete bust but when you're drafted high and expected to produce on your rookie contract and don't, you're kind of a bust.

Early, being drafted late 20s early 30s, will get a lot more bust-leniency.

[UnderdogRaptors]

I do think Napier is a little underrated. He isn't the unathletic homer that people are making him out to be. I mean, I don't want him, but I don't even want Ennis.

Napier might be the guy we pick we haven't heard that name at all,

[Undefeated]

Anderson isn't an elite playmaker, though. He's got good court vision because of his height, but a lot of his passes were simple kick-out passes or drop-off passes from bullying smaller opponents to the basket to create an advantage. I didn't see him use ball screens too much to create for his teammates, so his passing doesn't impress me.

[for_tdot]

How do you know Inglis struggles to score? Based on 4ppg instead of advance metric?

I didn't just get it out of nowhere. Check out his scouting report by dx.

I think it is best to use advance metric, or at least you use per 40 mins for a metric that can actually compare to other players.

I can't say too much about Inglis, since there is lack of information, but I don't think his offense is that bad as compare to Antekokounmpo. The difference of both players are, Inglis is much younger with high basketball IQ, while Thanasis is quicker and capable of shooting the 3s.

it's not that much worse but it is a little worse. Antetokounmpo is more athletic than Inglis and can shoot the three better and get on a roll.

[OAKLEY_2]

Perhaps...
20 Capela (small ball centre) age 20
32 trade w Philly take Cleo Early (small forward) age 23
37 lose in trade with Philly
59 flips picks to take Khem Birch - Euro stash age 21

[SkywalkerAC]

Anderson isn't an elite playmaker, though. He's got good court vision because of his height, but a lot of his passes were simple kick-out passes or drop-off passes from bullying smaller opponents to the basket to create an advantage. I didn't see him use ball screens too much to create for his teammates, so his passing doesn't impress me.

Even as a SF?

[PaperHoops]

Napier lacks the quickness to be a good defender. I don't think he can be a starter, but he can be a very good off the bench PG. Maybe comparable with Augustin?

I'm sorry but i respectfully disagree. Augustin did go top 7 in his draft year though.

Napier would be excellent off of the bench, you're right. He would be able to get into the paint and create w/ the pass. He will also be able to keep defences honest b/c he can drill the 3.

I feel like everyone is expecting us to draft a wing and suddenly our problems are solved. The way I see it, Vasquez is two guard who can create like Manu. Bring in another dynamic playmaker at PG and find a way to grab a wing in Free Agency.

When is the last time we drafted a PG? We know we can keep a profitable contract for at least 4 years and we're also hedging if Lowry bolts.

Shabazz is a winner w/ 2 National Championship - that to me makes up for 'potential' and measurements.

I just don't see he has that kind of upside. Reddick was great in college as well, but he has his limitation once he played in the NBA. Napier is definitely not the BPA.

Shabazz Naprier and JJ Redick have nothing in common other than being great college players.

Napier tears other guards up. JJ is a spot up shooter.

My board top 3 @ 20

1. Shabazz Napier
2. Cleanthony Early
3. Adrien Payne

[Indeed]

I didn't just get it out of nowhere. Check out his scouting report by dx.

I think it is best to use advance metric, or at least you use per 40 mins for a metric that can actually compare to other players.

I can't say too much about Inglis, since there is lack of information, but I don't think his offense is that bad as compare to Antekokounmpo. The difference of both players are, Inglis is much younger with high basketball IQ, while Thanasis is quicker and capable of shooting the 3s.

it's not that much worse but it is a little worse. Antetokounmpo is more athletic than Inglis and can shoot the three better and get on a roll.

Inglis is a very good rebounder as well. I think they are pretty even, it would be the matter of position. Thanasis is more a SG/SF, while Inglis is more of a SF/PF.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I keep flipping back and forth between Warren and Anderson.

I'm leaning towards Kyle Anderson at 20

[McFurious1]

I keep flipping back and forth between Warren and Anderson.

I'm leaning towards Kyle Anderson at 20

Nah it's an easy choice for me Warren all the way.


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