2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[LBJKB24MJ23]

These are pretty interesting

Trade 1, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, Flynn, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to San Antonio for Doug McDermott and Jakob Poeltl

Trade 2, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to New Orleans for Jonas Valanciunas and Nickeil Alexander-Walker

Trade 3, from William Lou: Dragic and a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes

Trade 1 and 2 may be okay (though too many picks going out to the Spurs in Trade 1).

Trade 3 is terrible - why are we giving up a pick for Harrison Barnes?

1. i think its because of the interest for Poeltl. its a bidding war. low cost controllable great defending c.

2. its okay - i;m on the fence on this one.

3. Harrison Barnes - 40% 3 point shooter with a TS% of 60%? he has 1 year remaining on his contract. our first round pick, if this team plays out correctly - could be low to mid 20s, depending on our performance with a Harrison Barnes on the bench. This is a great move to shore up the bench's scoring. noone is going to give you a useful player for just Dragic - this is my belief anyways.

Barnes is super - underrated, imho, averaging 16-6-2 with almsot 1 steal a game, 40% 3 point shooting, 45% FG%, and 60% TS%.


do we still need to get a center though? the first two options have centers. 3rd one is that we don't, unless they are throwing in someone like Damian Jones into the trade as well.

[Los_29]

These are pretty interesting

Trade 1, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, Flynn, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to San Antonio for Doug McDermott and Jakob Poeltl

Trade 2, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to New Orleans for Jonas Valanciunas and Nickeil Alexander-Walker

Trade 3, from William Lou: Dragic and a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes

Trade 1 and 2 may be okay (though too many picks going out to the Spurs in Trade 1).

Trade 3 is terrible - why are we giving up a pick for Harrison Barnes?

I don't think Precious is on the table for trade discussions at all.

I think the package is Dragic/Flynn/lottery protected first round pick. I can't see Masai moving Precious right now.

I'm also willing to bet a team like Utah or any other contender would trade a first round pick for a Boucher to give them a small ball 5 or stretch 4 who offers rim protection and shooting.

The question is why would we trade Boucher? Don't we want to improve our bench? I don't see how giving up our bench pieces is productive in anyway. I think ideally we will add to our bench so we can have a reliable 8-9 man rotation.

[mtcan]

Trade 1 and 2 may be okay (though too many picks going out to the Spurs in Trade 1).

Trade 3 is terrible - why are we giving up a pick for Harrison Barnes?

I don't think Precious is on the table for trade discussions at all.

I think the package is Dragic/Flynn/lottery protected first round pick. I can't see Masai moving Precious right now.

I'm also willing to bet a team like Utah or any other contender would trade a first round pick for a Boucher to give them a small ball 5 or stretch 4 who offers rim protection and shooting.

The question is why would we trade Boucher? Don't we want to improve our bench? I don't see how giving up our bench pieces is productive in anyway. I think ideally we will add to our bench so we can have a reliable 8-9 man rotation.

The question is...do you want to resign Boucher to a new bigger contract in the summer? What would your price be?

[Los_29]

I don't think Precious is on the table for trade discussions at all.

I think the package is Dragic/Flynn/lottery protected first round pick. I can't see Masai moving Precious right now.

I'm also willing to bet a team like Utah or any other contender would trade a first round pick for a Boucher to give them a small ball 5 or stretch 4 who offers rim protection and shooting.

The question is why would we trade Boucher? Don't we want to improve our bench? I don't see how giving up our bench pieces is productive in anyway. I think ideally we will add to our bench so we can have a reliable 8-9 man rotation.

The question is...do you want to resign Boucher to a new bigger contract in the summer? What would your price be?

I don't think Boucher will cost much. He's a 29 year old bench player.

If you want to improve your team then trading Boucher for a pick is counterproductive especially when you're likely trading Dragic and possibly your own pick for immediate help.

Boucher has actually played well as of late. I can deal with his poor shot selection if he continues to contribute in other areas.

[alan_156]

The question is why would we trade Boucher? Don't we want to improve our bench? I don't see how giving up our bench pieces is productive in anyway. I think ideally we will add to our bench so we can have a reliable 8-9 man rotation.

The question is...do you want to resign Boucher to a new bigger contract in the summer? What would your price be?

I don't think Boucher will cost much. He's a 29 year old bench player.

If you want to improve your team then trading Boucher for a pick is counterproductive especially when you're likely trading Dragic and possibly your own pick for immediate help.

Boucher has actually played well as of late. I can deal with his poor shot selection if he continues to contribute in other areas.

There's 0 chance Masai trades precious, zero chance.

[InfraRedshaw]

I am prepared to die on We-Dont-Actually-Need-A-Center Hill

[AkelaLoneWolf]

These are pretty interesting

Trade 1, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, Flynn, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to San Antonio for Doug McDermott and Jakob Poeltl

Trade 2, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to New Orleans for Jonas Valanciunas and Nickeil Alexander-Walker

Trade 3, from William Lou: Dragic and a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes

Trade 1 and 2 may be okay (though too many picks going out to the Spurs in Trade 1).

Trade 3 is terrible - why are we giving up a pick for Harrison Barnes?

1. i think its because of the interest for Poeltl. its a bidding war. low cost controllable great defending c.

2. its okay - i;m on the fence on this one.

3. Harrison Barnes - 40% 3 point shooter with a TS% of 60%? he has 1 year remaining on his contract. our first round pick, if this team plays out correctly - could be low to mid 20s, depending on our performance with a Harrison Barnes on the bench. This is a great move to shore up the bench's scoring. noone is going to give you a useful player for just Dragic - this is my belief anyways.

Barnes is super - underrated, imho, averaging 16-6-2 with almsot 1 steal a game, 40% 3 point shooting, 45% FG%, and 60% TS%.


do we still need to get a center though? the first two options have centers. 3rd one is that we don't, unless they are throwing in someone like Damian Jones into the trade as well.

Yeah the Barnes deal is a no brainer but I don’t know if sac will agree to it.
The Michael grange ones are puke though. No need to trade a solid prospect and a couple of picks for a position of non importance.

[Los_29]

I am prepared to die on We-Dont-Actually-Need-A-Center Hill

I agree with you. I'd rather have a guard.

[original fan]

Trade 1 and 2 may be okay (though too many picks going out to the Spurs in Trade 1).

Trade 3 is terrible - why are we giving up a pick for Harrison Barnes?

1. i think its because of the interest for Poeltl. its a bidding war. low cost controllable great defending c.

2. its okay - i;m on the fence on this one.

3. Harrison Barnes - 40% 3 point shooter with a TS% of 60%? he has 1 year remaining on his contract. our first round pick, if this team plays out correctly - could be low to mid 20s, depending on our performance with a Harrison Barnes on the bench. This is a great move to shore up the bench's scoring. noone is going to give you a useful player for just Dragic - this is my belief anyways.

Barnes is super - underrated, imho, averaging 16-6-2 with almsot 1 steal a game, 40% 3 point shooting, 45% FG%, and 60% TS%.


do we still need to get a center though? the first two options have centers. 3rd one is that we don't, unless they are throwing in someone like Damian Jones into the trade as well.

Yeah the Barnes deal is a no brainer but I don’t know if sac will agree to it.
The Michael grange ones are puke though. No need to trade a solid prospect and a couple of picks for a position of non importance.

I am not going to argue the value of Barnes,but from a positional pov,if am doing Dragic plus frp,i want to get back a combo guard, not another forward.We got 3 really good ones, although they all start right now.

[mtcan]

The question is why would we trade Boucher? Don't we want to improve our bench? I don't see how giving up our bench pieces is productive in anyway. I think ideally we will add to our bench so we can have a reliable 8-9 man rotation.

The question is...do you want to resign Boucher to a new bigger contract in the summer? What would your price be?

I don't think Boucher will cost much. He's a 29 year old bench player.

If you want to improve your team then trading Boucher for a pick is counterproductive especially when you're likely trading Dragic and possibly your own pick for immediate help.

Boucher has actually played well as of late. I can deal with his poor shot selection if he continues to contribute in other areas.

I think Bouche makes like 7 million this season. I see him asking 12-14 million per season and probably a 3 year deal.

Having Boucher on your payroll next summer might limit you in term of what you can offer Gary because you know he his declining that player option.

This is a development season and there likely no plans on a deep playoff run.

If keeping Boucher means losing Gary next summer...is that still worth keeping him?

I think Boucher is dealt at the deadline to open up more minutes for Precious and hopefully bring back a younger dude or a draft pick. And if Matt Thomas and Terence Davis were each worth a 2nd round pick...then Boucher is worth a late first round pick from a win-now team.

I think Utah is making calls for Boucher. Losing Ingles lessens their depth. Rudy being the only defender on the floor will hurt the Jazz and yes they are definitely a win now team. Boucher could be played alongside Rudy or instead of Rudy if the Jazz need some rim protection AND some 3 point shooting.

I'd take a late first round pick for Boucher especially knowing how well this organization drafts.

[InfraRedshaw]

I am prepared to die on We-Dont-Actually-Need-A-Center Hill

I agree with you. I'd rather have a guard.

100%, a combo guard who can either do some shot creating or provide some outside shooting is more what we need I think

[Madhouse]

These are pretty interesting

Trade 1, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, Flynn, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to San Antonio for Doug McDermott and Jakob Poeltl

Trade 2, from Michael Grange: Dragic, Achiuwa, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick to New Orleans for Jonas Valanciunas and Nickeil Alexander-Walker

Trade 3, from William Lou: Dragic and a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes

no to all 3 however the 3rd is the most interesting.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

1. i think its because of the interest for Poeltl. its a bidding war. low cost controllable great defending c.

2. its okay - i;m on the fence on this one.

3. Harrison Barnes - 40% 3 point shooter with a TS% of 60%? he has 1 year remaining on his contract. our first round pick, if this team plays out correctly - could be low to mid 20s, depending on our performance with a Harrison Barnes on the bench. This is a great move to shore up the bench's scoring. noone is going to give you a useful player for just Dragic - this is my belief anyways.

Barnes is super - underrated, imho, averaging 16-6-2 with almsot 1 steal a game, 40% 3 point shooting, 45% FG%, and 60% TS%.


do we still need to get a center though? the first two options have centers. 3rd one is that we don't, unless they are throwing in someone like Damian Jones into the trade as well.

Yeah the Barnes deal is a no brainer but I don’t know if sac will agree to it.
The Michael grange ones are puke though. No need to trade a solid prospect and a couple of picks for a position of non importance.

I am not going to argue the value of Barnes,but from a positional pov,if am doing Dragic plus frp,i want to get back a combo guard, not another forward.We got 3 really good ones, although they all start right now.

Agreed but there aren’t a lot of guards who are putting up his kind of numbers.
Edit: I also want Flynn and banton to continue getting playing time. Barnes helps stabilize the bench lineup so not a lot of pressure on Precious Flynn Banton to score.

[agkagk]

The question is...do you want to resign Boucher to a new bigger contract in the summer? What would your price be?

I don't think Boucher will cost much. He's a 29 year old bench player.

If you want to improve your team then trading Boucher for a pick is counterproductive especially when you're likely trading Dragic and possibly your own pick for immediate help.

Boucher has actually played well as of late. I can deal with his poor shot selection if he continues to contribute in other areas.

I think Bouche makes like 7 million this season. I see him asking 12-14 million per season and probably a 3 year deal.

Having Boucher on your payroll next summer might limit you in term of what you can offer Gary because you know he his declining that player option.

This is a development season and there likely no plans on a deep playoff run.

If keeping Boucher means losing Gary next summer...is that still worth keeping him?

I think Boucher is dealt at the deadline to open up more minutes for Precious and hopefully bring back a younger dude or a draft pick. And if Matt Thomas and Terence Davis were each worth a 2nd round pick...then Boucher is worth a late first round pick from a win-now team.

I think Utah is making calls for Boucher. Losing Ingles lessens their depth. Rudy being the only defender on the floor will hurt the Jazz and yes they are definitely a win now team. Boucher could be played alongside Rudy or instead of Rudy if the Jazz need some rim protection AND some 3 point shooting.

I'd take a late first round pick for Boucher especially knowing how well this organization drafts.

I had his value pegged at two seconds or a middling prospect.

Hmm I wonder if this is the first Masai is shopping with dragic’s expiring.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Yeah the Barnes deal is a no brainer but I don’t know if sac will agree to it.
The Michael grange ones are puke though. No need to trade a solid prospect and a couple of picks for a position of non importance.

I am not going to argue the value of Barnes,but from a positional pov,if am doing Dragic plus frp,i want to get back a combo guard, not another forward.We got 3 really good ones, although they all start right now.

Agreed but there aren’t a lot of guards who are putting up his kind of numbers.
Edit: I also want Flynn and banton to continue getting playing time. Barnes helps stabilize the bench lineup so not a lot of pressure on Precious Flynn Banton to score.

Yup, the next best thing is a combo wing player. Barnes can play SG and SF - positions we are really weak from the bench and can’t produce aka Svi, Yuta, Bonga.


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[Morris_Shatford]

Re: Boucher

My position on him has swung back and forth several times over the last 12 months but I am now in the re-sign him to a two or three year deal this summer camp.

This seasons we have seen both good Boucher and bad Boucher the problem is largely that when he is bad Boucher our bench depth largely prevents us from doing anything about it.

Having a bigger guy who can play the 4/5, block a few shots, and historically has justified coverage on the three point line is what you want to have somewhere in the 8 - 10 spots on your roster, the problem he he currently occupying one in the 6 - 7 spot.

Dealing him for middling picks or as an expiring (unless its for a major bench upgrade) is just going to result in all of us being frustrated that we lack a big guy who can play the 4/5, block a few shots, and hit the occasional three off the bench next season.

[Morris_Shatford]

I think Boucher makes like 7 million this season. I see him asking 12-14 million per season and probably a 3 year deal.

Having Boucher on your payroll next summer might limit you in term of what you can offer Gary because you know he his declining that player option.

Sorry to jump in the middle of your discussion guys;
Just to comment on Boucher's value.

Its a very good discussion because his potential value this summer really does matter in terms or the "keep or trade" debate.
A few things to consider, how many teams have cap space to spend this summer? Then how many of those teams are prepared to lay out 12 - 14m a season for Chris Boucher?

In a vacuum maybe he is worth that, but I think he is going to have a hard time at 29 getting a deal beyond the MLE this offseason;
Richaun Holmes is essentially the same age (slightly younger) and he got around 4/45 as a legit starting big last summer, I think we would be hard pressed to see Boucher at that age getting more than that.

If you are also a five starved team this summer and you have cap space, maybe better to throw that 14m at guys like Mo Bamba or even Bagley and dare their clubs to match.

[mtcan]

I think Boucher makes like 7 million this season. I see him asking 12-14 million per season and probably a 3 year deal.

Having Boucher on your payroll next summer might limit you in term of what you can offer Gary because you know he his declining that player option.

Sorry to jump in the middle of your discussion guys;
Just to comment on Boucher's value.

Its a very good discussion because his potential value this summer really does matter in terms or the "keep or trade" debate.
A few things to consider, how many teams have cap space to spend this summer? Then how many of those teams are prepared to lay out 12 - 14m a season for Chris Boucher?

In a vacuum maybe he is worth that, but I think he is going to have a hard time at 29 getting a deal beyond the MLE this offseason;
Richaun Holmes is essentially the same age (slightly younger) and he got around 4/45 as a legit starting big last summer, I think we would be hard pressed to see Boucher at that age getting more than that.

If you are also a five starved team this summer and you have cap space, maybe better to throw that 14m at guys like Mo Bamba or even Bagley and dare their clubs to match.

My argument in favour of Boucher over Bagley/Bamba...Boucher is a finished product and is more suited to a win-now team than Bagley or Bamba.

A younger team might prefer Bamba or Bagley but a winning team with even just a mid level exception and the right guarantee of role/minutes would be enough to entice Chris.

[Psubs]

I think Boucher makes like 7 million this season. I see him asking 12-14 million per season and probably a 3 year deal.

Having Boucher on your payroll next summer might limit you in term of what you can offer Gary because you know he his declining that player option.

Sorry to jump in the middle of your discussion guys;
Just to comment on Boucher's value.

Its a very good discussion because his potential value this summer really does matter in terms or the "keep or trade" debate.
A few things to consider, how many teams have cap space to spend this summer? Then how many of those teams are prepared to lay out 12 - 14m a season for Chris Boucher?

In a vacuum maybe he is worth that, but I think he is going to have a hard time at 29 getting a deal beyond the MLE this offseason;
Richaun Holmes is essentially the same age (slightly younger) and he got around 4/45 as a legit starting big last summer, I think we would be hard pressed to see Boucher at that age getting more than that.

If you are also a five starved team this summer and you have cap space, maybe better to throw that 14m at guys like Mo Bamba or even Bagley and dare their clubs to match.

I would say the most Boucher would get is the MLE from any team, due to his age.

[TorontoRapsFan]

Dragic, Flynn, Svi for Burks and Rose if Raptors want to try their hardest starting this year. The trade really bolsters the bench production and veteran presence on the team. The salaries match almost perfectly and shouldn't push the Raps into extra tax territory either.

Rose may be a tough get;
He is a Thibs guy.

However, the Knicks have a lot of what we need.
Middling bench depth.

Walker and Noel are both salary that doesn't extend beyond next season and then you have Burk who has two more full seasons remaining. If you can convert Dragic into two bench guys, you may be doing okay.

Knicks and Kings are the teams I feel like should be targeted by Masai. They just need to decide salary relief is what they really want. I'd throw second rounders for the right trade. Ideally Raptors just give them Dragic and pieces like Flynn. If they are going to try and make a bench for a playoff I think Boucher should be kept.