Official NBA General Discussion 2020-21 V1.0

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[Dalek]

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The issues with COVID are coming back. If Toronto somehow stays healthy through this they can move up the standings. Teams are hurting while Toronto seems to be just getting its full team back.

Is it just due to covid? I get the feeling teams have all adopted lesser forms of load management now.

Well, my guess is Covid is rising up and here is a current list:

LaMelo Ball, Charlotte Hornets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 15
DeMar DeRozan, Chicago Bulls -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 16
Terry Rozier, Charlotte Hornets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 15
Ish Smith, Charlotte Hornets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 15
Mason Plumlee, Charlotte Hornets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 15
Jalen McDaniels, Charlotte Hornets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 15
Coby White, Chicago Bulls -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 14
Javonte Green, Chicago Bulls -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 14
Bol Bol, Denver Nuggets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 8
Austin Rivers, Denver Nuggets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 8
Nah'Shon Hyland, Denver Nuggets -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 8
Justin Holiday, Indiana Pacers -- Expected to be out until at least Dec. 10

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-rankings-cade-cunningham-puts-shooting-slump-behind-him-scottie-barnes-continues-to-impress/

[mdenny]

James harden would be infuriating to cheer for.

Every game he plays there are 5 to 10 points (for and against combined) that he gives up with his laziness.

That's often the difference between winning and losing. It also can't be turned on and off. Do it all season...you'll do it in playoffs.

[_MidNight_]

Keep those L's coming Dallas, that's 3 in a row now and under .500 you go.

The price for Dragic may go up the longer they wait lol.

[720]

No Jaylon Brown for the Celtics. He always seems to be out during crucial stretches of their schedule.

[Ref_from_hell]

Boston is pretty bad. If they lose tonight they will be like what 1.5 games ahead of us? Guess they better rev up the tank. Or are injury excuses only valid for non-Toronto teams?

So many teams this year have been absolutely decimated by injury, but you don't see their fan base crying to lose every game.

But seriously, nothing worse than getting punked by Westbrook on national TV

[Kingsway_fan]

Boston is pretty bad. If they lose tonight they will be like what 1.5 games ahead of us? Guess they better rev up the tank. Or are injury excuses only valid for non-Toronto teams?

So many teams this year have been absolutely decimated by injury, but you don't see their fan base crying to lose every game.

But seriously, nothing worse than getting punked by Westbrook on national TV

We certainly have had our share of injuries...
A good run now and a return of OG and we will be in the thick of things soon enough ...we need OG back soon...

[PhilBlackson]

Was pretty annoyed when we took Johnson over BJ Boston and getting clear confirmation now of why.

[Dalek]

Was pretty annoyed when we took Johnson over BJ Boston and getting clear confirmation now of why.

I don't think it is even fair to mention Johnson when he has barely played while Boston has been showcased in the G-League and NBA now. Banton was also selected ahead of him and honestly he hasn't been some kind of revelation. He is just some funky tall PG who can't shoot - basically MCW redux.

I do think this front office has fallen off big time since Bobby has taken over primary duties.

Look at Desmond Banes from the last draft. Griz just beat Lebron and the Lakers with Banes being the leading scorer and Ja being out. He is shooting about 40% from three on volume, plus playmaking and steals. We drafted Flynn who can barely play well in the G-League. I don't know why this scouting staff missing three level scorers, but they missed twice.

The next one might be taking Scottie over Franz. Maybe that one is too close to call, but I am less confident that this front office can select talented players in the draft. They seem to draft by their own archetype and figure they can develop them.

[PhilBlackson]

Was pretty annoyed when we took Johnson over BJ Boston and getting clear confirmation now of why.

I don't think it is even fair to mention Johnson when he has barely played while Boston has been showcased in the G-League and NBA now. Banton was also selected ahead of him and honestly he hasn't been some kind of revelation. He is just some funky tall PG who can't shoot - basically MCW redux.

I do think this front office has fallen off big time since Bobby has taken over primary duties.

Look at Desmond Banes from the last draft. Griz just beat Lebron and the Lakers with Banes being the leading scorer and Ja being out. He is shooting about 40% from three on volume, plus playmaking and steals. We drafted Flynn who can barely play well in the G-League. I don't know why this scouting staff missing three level scorers, but they missed twice.

The next one might be taking Scottie over Franz. Maybe that one is too close to call, but I am less confident that this front office can select talented players in the draft. They seem to draft by their own archetype and figure they can develop them.

I'm sorry this stopped me in my tracks...you can't be serious that is NOT going to age well.

[HumbleRen]

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[Dalek]

Was pretty annoyed when we took Johnson over BJ Boston and getting clear confirmation now of why.

I don't think it is even fair to mention Johnson when he has barely played while Boston has been showcased in the G-League and NBA now. Banton was also selected ahead of him and honestly he hasn't been some kind of revelation. He is just some funky tall PG who can't shoot - basically MCW redux.

I do think this front office has fallen off big time since Bobby has taken over primary duties.

Look at Desmond Banes from the last draft. Griz just beat Lebron and the Lakers with Banes being the leading scorer and Ja being out. He is shooting about 40% from three on volume, plus playmaking and steals. We drafted Flynn who can barely play well in the G-League. I don't know why this scouting staff missing three level scorers, but they missed twice.

The next one might be taking Scottie over Franz. Maybe that one is too close to call, but I am less confident that this front office can select talented players in the draft. They seem to draft by their own archetype and figure they can develop them.

I'm sorry this stopped me in my tracks...you can't be serious that is NOT going to age well.

It might be the case that I am wrong, and I hope that I am, but even looking at current numbers, Franz is a 40% three point shooter on a bigger volume is averaging 4 assists since his usage went up, and is the same age and size as Scottie. Franz was also a great defender in college so he has room to grow there as well.

I also had Trey Murphy rated really high - not quite on their levels, but I just value shooters with length.

[Kurtz]

I don't think it is even fair to mention Johnson when he has barely played while Boston has been showcased in the G-League and NBA now. Banton was also selected ahead of him and honestly he hasn't been some kind of revelation. He is just some funky tall PG who can't shoot - basically MCW redux.

I do think this front office has fallen off big time since Bobby has taken over primary duties.

Look at Desmond Banes from the last draft. Griz just beat Lebron and the Lakers with Banes being the leading scorer and Ja being out. He is shooting about 40% from three on volume, plus playmaking and steals. We drafted Flynn who can barely play well in the G-League. I don't know why this scouting staff missing three level scorers, but they missed twice.

The next one might be taking Scottie over Franz. Maybe that one is too close to call, but I am less confident that this front office can select talented players in the draft. They seem to draft by their own archetype and figure they can develop them.

I'm sorry this stopped me in my tracks...you can't be serious that is NOT going to age well.

It might be the case that I am wrong, and I hope that I am, but even looking at current numbers, Franz is a 40% three point shooter on a bigger volume is averaging 4 assists since his usage went up, and is the same age and size as Scottie. Franz was also a great defender in college so he has room to grow there as well.

I also had Trey Murphy rated really high - not quite on their levels, but I just value shooters with length.

You are cherry picking stats without really understanding them.

Wagner is shooting 38%, not 40% from the 3. His strength on the 3s is the assisted corner 3, where he is hitting 48%. Most NBA players can shoot a high % from an assisted corner 3 (even Derozan shoots 36% career on that shot). Scottie himself is at 38% on that shot, but he gets far less opportunity than Franz to shoot it.

Despite Wagner's higher assisted 3pt output, he is still less efficient than Scottie with a .535% TS to Scottie's .544% TS. Scottie is averaging 15/8/3/1/1 on 49% FG to Wagner's 14/4/3/1/0.5 on 44% FG.

No offense, but you'd have to be nuts to think that Wagner is currently having a better season, has a higher upside, or should have been picked ahead of Scottie.

ps: The Grizz' leading scorer in the Lakers win was JJJ, not Bane.

[HangTime]

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How do you think the game would change, if you had to have a foot on the 3-point line, for the shot to count as a three.

If your behind it, it counts as a two.

[Hero]

The Lakers in the playoffs could be really entertaining. Can you imagine their fans when Russ starts playing poorly.

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The Lakers in the playoffs could be really entertaining. Can you imagine their fans when Russ starts playing poorly.

I’d prefer the Lakers not even make the playoffs, that would be funny

[pilkoids]

Keep those L's coming Dallas, that's 3 in a row now and under .500 you go.

The price for Dragic may go up the longer they wait lol.

They wait longer and there might not even be a point to a Dragic.

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[Dalek]

I'm sorry this stopped me in my tracks...you can't be serious that is NOT going to age well.

It might be the case that I am wrong, and I hope that I am, but even looking at current numbers, Franz is a 40% three point shooter on a bigger volume is averaging 4 assists since his usage went up, and is the same age and size as Scottie. Franz was also a great defender in college so he has room to grow there as well.

I also had Trey Murphy rated really high - not quite on their levels, but I just value shooters with length.

You are cherry picking stats without really understanding them.

Wagner is shooting 38%, not 40% from the 3. His strength on the 3s is the assisted corner 3, where he is hitting 48%. Most NBA players can shoot a high % from an assisted corner 3 (even Derozan shoots 36% career on that shot). Scottie himself is at 38% on that shot, but he gets far less opportunity than Franz to shoot it.

Despite Wagner's higher assisted 3pt output, he is still less efficient than Scottie with a .535% TS to Scottie's .544% TS. Scottie is averaging 15/8/3/1/1 on 49% FG to Wagner's 14/4/3/1/0.5 on 44% FG.

No offense, but you'd have to be nuts to think that Wagner is currently having a better season, has a higher upside, or should have been picked ahead of Scottie.

ps: The Grizz' leading scorer in the Lakers win was JJJ, not Bane.

I am not going to bother checking but if I am cherrypicking stats for Franz and his corner threes being a difference than I am going to guess that Scottie is not the most diverse shotmaker himself.

He is likely making most of his baskets within a few feet of the basket. What does that mean when it is easy to go up for dunks or little push shots at the rim? Scottie is playing with better players so it is not like he getting much attention in scoring situations.

I do think Franz has played better more recently as this season has wore on. 39 threes is certainly a difference to 17 made threes especially in the current NBA. When scottie is doing stepback threes we can talk. Also Franz now has a higher ts%.

I do think Franz is a more traditional point forward than Scottie who is still a PF. Scottie is a decent offensive rebounder possibly because of the amount of misses this team has but I do give him credit for that and defense. He definitely strong at the rim like a PF/C.

[sbsat]

Why have the Knicks been sitting on Grimes this whole time? This guy looks solid

[HumbleRen]

Why have the Knicks been sitting on Grimes this whole time? This guy looks solid

Thibs hates playing young guys