Draft Thread Part 2

[gojoorange]

If we stay at pick seven I think it's going to be either Keon, Davion, Moody, or Wagner. Those aren't necessarily the guys I want but they fit Masai's M.O. out of the group of players likely to be available.

Side bar, Quentin Crimes is an interesting player in the second. He's in the top 10 in both defensive and offensive win shares. Being compared to Josh Hart, who Masai tried to acquire.

I don't think the front office will take Moody or Keon. They don't really have the impact Masai has historically gone for. In fact, I think Keon might slide into the late lottery unless a team wants to gamble on his athleticism. Wagner is intriguing at 7 I think if he's still there.

[mtcan]

Trading Green/Suggs/Mobley, on top of Boucher and another 1st for KAT, is the type of bad trade where 5-10 years down the road Raps fans and even general NBA fans would all wonder if Masai and Bobby legit lost their minds.

Hypothetically let's say Jalen Green. You're giving up an athletic freak three level scoring machine who has future hall of famer written all over him and is exactly what this team needs, for a star big in a league where modern contenders aren't built around bigs anymore. Probably one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen, even if it's straight up.

Even if you're looking at this purely from a team needs standpoint, we need a go to scorer way more than we need a C. Also with a FVV-GTJ-OG-Siakam-KAT starting 5 who is the go to scorer on this team? If it's KAT I mean I guess that's fine if you wanna be mediocre but modern contenders aren't built around star bigs being go to scorers.

I have no idea if Green is a hall of famer (certainly looks like a 25 point a game guy) but Towns has been between 7th and 16th in win shares the last 4 years, we're all dying for a stretch 5 to open up the court for Siakam and Towns is 25 which is about perfect for us to contend in 2-3 years when Siakam and FVV are 28/29, OG is 25 and Trent is 24. That's five 15+ point scorers starting and the worst shooter by far is Siakam. End of games would still be a problem, no question, but we'd be a top 4 team in the East and a bench of Birch-Boucher-Flynn with a microwave scorer type at the 2 who can be acquired like the Jazz did with Clarkson and playing him instead of Trent is always an option.

I think we'd do this unless Masai agrees with Jimmy Butler that he's "soft as baby ****." A 25 year old 25-10-5 guy who is lights out from 3, even if he's just Nikola Vucevic + 15% is worth a top 4 pick for a team like us that isn't a free agent destination, and the Towns-Siakam-OG frontcourt screams 50 wins to me with Van Vleet and Trent being solid at the guard spots.

I would trade anyone outside of Cunningham in this draft for Towns. No question about it. He is one of the most elite offensive bigs ever.

The deal would likely be whatever top 4 pick AND filler which could very well be one or a combination of OG or Pascal because we really don't have other salaries to trade to make salaries work...if that were the case...do you still make the trade?

Because to me...Pascal and #4 pick for Towns is highway robbery for the Wolves...

I love KAT's talent but he doesn't have a winning mentality. He doesn't have the mentality of a franchise player.

Didyou see how Jimmy Butler was talking **** to him and KAT just let Jimmy punk him? The guy has no fight.

[Mark_83]

Trading Green/Suggs/Mobley, on top of Boucher and another 1st for KAT, is the type of bad trade where 5-10 years down the road Raps fans and even general NBA fans would all wonder if Masai and Bobby legit lost their minds.

Hypothetically let's say Jalen Green. You're giving up an athletic freak three level scoring machine who has future hall of famer written all over him and is exactly what this team needs, for a star big in a league where modern contenders aren't built around bigs anymore. Probably one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen, even if it's straight up.

Even if you're looking at this purely from a team needs standpoint, we need a go to scorer way more than we need a C. Also with a FVV-GTJ-OG-Siakam-KAT starting 5 who is the go to scorer on this team? If it's KAT I mean I guess that's fine if you wanna be mediocre but modern contenders aren't built around star bigs being go to scorers.

I have no idea if Green is a hall of famer (certainly looks like a 25 point a game guy) but Towns has been between 7th and 16th in win shares the last 4 years, we're all dying for a stretch 5 to open up the court for Siakam and Towns is 25 which is about perfect for us to contend in 2-3 years when Siakam and FVV are 28/29, OG is 25 and Trent is 24. That's five 15+ point scorers starting and the worst shooter by far is Siakam. End of games would still be a problem, no question, but we'd be a top 4 team in the East and a bench of Birch-Boucher-Flynn with a microwave scorer type at the 2 who can be acquired like the Jazz did with Clarkson and playing him instead of Trent is always an option.

I think we'd do this unless Masai agrees with Jimmy Butler that he's "soft as baby ****." A 25 year old 25-10-5 guy who is lights out from 3, even if he's just Nikola Vucevic + 15% is worth a top 4 pick for a team like us that isn't a free agent destination, and the Towns-Siakam-OG frontcourt screams 50 wins to me with Van Vleet and Trent being solid at the guard spots.

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

Also, FVV and Trent Jr is not a winning backcourt lmao even with a half ass bandaid fix attempt to acquire a Clarkson type as a fake go to scorer. The go to scorer on a legit contender is at the 1/2/3 spot in the lineup, and is also a primary initiator and the team's best player.

I sort of agree. I don't think that's a championship backcourt, but you can definitely make the playoffs in the East with that. I need to see more development of Trent's floor game and a larger sample of his defense before I'm convinced he's a starter.

[Jerry Lucas]

Do you guys think Ujiri and Webster would consider trading the pick for a star? Let’s say we end up with the 1-3 pick. Do we draft Cade/Mobley/Suggs and call it a day, or do we entertain offers for disgruntled stars in a larger package, like Karl Towns Jr, Brad Beal, etc?

Zero percent chance, partially due to it being pretty likely that all 4 of Cade/Green/Suggs/Mobley end up better than KAT and Beal.

I wouldn't be so confident they'll be better. Towns was a #1 pick and Beal was #3. It's actually highly unlikely, nearly impossible that all 4 become better than those two. When has a top 4 ever been that strong in the history of the NBA?

With that said, it'd be a huge mistake to trade the pick for a star. This team isn't ready for that yet plus a draft pick offers much better cap flexibility as opposed to trading for a star who will most likely be making max money.

Keep accumulating assets. I think the FO can get some sneaky solid bench players with their SRP's this year as well. We're in a good position right now.

From just a big vs big perspective I'm comfortable with my prediction that Mobley will be better than KAT.

And Beal lacks another elite skill other than just being a scoring machine. He's not an elite playmaker or elite defensively, partially due to his lack of size. Cade will 100% be better than Beal. Green is gonna end up being a bigger version of Beal who is even more of a scoring machine, and he has the athleticism, size and smarts where teams with high end development programs can help him improve his playmaking and defense which aren't even major weaknesses anyway. Suggs is a an elite shot creator, high end playmaker, elite defensively, and elite athleticism. Beal is basically a one trick pony.

This draft is very top heavy.

[Jerry Lucas]

I have no idea if Green is a hall of famer (certainly looks like a 25 point a game guy) but Towns has been between 7th and 16th in win shares the last 4 years, we're all dying for a stretch 5 to open up the court for Siakam and Towns is 25 which is about perfect for us to contend in 2-3 years when Siakam and FVV are 28/29, OG is 25 and Trent is 24. That's five 15+ point scorers starting and the worst shooter by far is Siakam. End of games would still be a problem, no question, but we'd be a top 4 team in the East and a bench of Birch-Boucher-Flynn with a microwave scorer type at the 2 who can be acquired like the Jazz did with Clarkson and playing him instead of Trent is always an option.

I think we'd do this unless Masai agrees with Jimmy Butler that he's "soft as baby ****." A 25 year old 25-10-5 guy who is lights out from 3, even if he's just Nikola Vucevic + 15% is worth a top 4 pick for a team like us that isn't a free agent destination, and the Towns-Siakam-OG frontcourt screams 50 wins to me with Van Vleet and Trent being solid at the guard spots.

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

Also, FVV and Trent Jr is not a winning backcourt lmao even with a half ass bandaid fix attempt to acquire a Clarkson type as a fake go to scorer. The go to scorer on a legit contender is at the 1/2/3 spot in the lineup, and is also a primary initiator and the team's best player.

I sort of agree. I don't think that's a championship backcourt, but you can definitely make the playoffs in the East with that. I need to see more development of Trent's floor game and a larger sample of his defense before I'm convinced he's a starter.

Even from a perspective of just making the playoffs, I take a backcourt of FVV+Green or Suggs+FVV over FVV+Trent 10 times out of 10.

[XTC]

I’m probably the biggest pro-Giddey supporter on here. I think the kid has star potential. The people throwing the Shaun Livingston comparisons are the same people who where comparing SGA to Delon Wright. Just a lazy lazy comparison. Anyways enough about the comparisons, let talk about Giddey.

The kid is only 18 and won’t be 19 until October, and what he did in the NBL considering his age is VERY impressive. The NBL is a grown man league, and is widely known as one of the more physical leagues in the world, it’s not easy for a teenager to play in that league just ask Lamelo Ball, and RJ Hampton.

Lamelo Ball
MPG 31.3
PPG 17.0
RPG 7.6
APG 6.8
TOV 2.5
SPG 1.6
BPG 0.1
FG 37.5 (16.7 attempts)
3FG 25 (6.7 attempts)
FT% 72.3

RJ Hampton
MPG 20.6
PPG 8.8
RPG 3.9
APG 2.4
TOV 1.5
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.3
FG 40.7 (8.2 attempts)
3FG 29.5 (2.5 attempts)
FT% 67.9

Josh Giddey
MPG 32.1
PPG 11.1
RPG 7.4
APG 7.6
TOV 3.3
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.5
FG 43.4 (9.5 attempts)
3FG 30.9 (3.5 attempts)
FT% 69.1

All 3 where 18 year old rookies in the NBL. Lamelo is on his way to becoming ROY, RJ has been turning it on since arriving in Orlando (11/5/2.5 his past 24 games, and 17/6/4 his past 6 games). Giddey has had a better season in the NBL than either of them. Am I saying Giddey>LaMelo Ball? Hell no, even during his struggles in the NBL the tools where apparent and he had a flare that you knew he would figure it lit eventually which is why scouts had him ranked so high.

It’s the same thing with Giddey, the tools are apparent which is why he had been soaring up the draft ranks and why the Raps sent their head scout to watch him. The kid is a 6’8 point guard who lead the league in assists, and is a triple double threat every single night in his league. Even though he lacks muscle and strength at the moment, he proved he could keep up with grown men and dominate at that. Even his jumper is showing tremendous growth. He started off just doing catch and shoot 3’s, but the past couple weeks he’s been doing a lot more pull ups, step backs, etc... I’m not worried about him jumper, once he gains more strength everything is going to fall into place for Josh Giddey.

It’s widely been known he’s the best passer in the draft, but his best skill might be controlling the pace of the game. When it’s all said and done, I wouldn’t be surprised if Giddey ends up being a top 3 player in this draft. He has really high potential, and IMO if he’s there at 7 I’m nabbing him (I wouldn’t be surprised if a team higher took him, I think his stock is going to sky rocket closer to the draft).

[Los_29]

Zero percent chance, partially due to it being pretty likely that all 4 of Cade/Green/Suggs/Mobley end up better than KAT and Beal.

I wouldn't be so confident they'll be better. Towns was a #1 pick and Beal was #3. It's actually highly unlikely, nearly impossible that all 4 become better than those two. When has a top 4 ever been that strong in the history of the NBA?

With that said, it'd be a huge mistake to trade the pick for a star. This team isn't ready for that yet plus a draft pick offers much better cap flexibility as opposed to trading for a star who will most likely be making max money.

Keep accumulating assets. I think the FO can get some sneaky solid bench players with their SRP's this year as well. We're in a good position right now.

From just a big vs big perspective I'm comfortable with my prediction that Mobley will be better than KAT.

And Beal lacks another elite skill other than just being a scoring machine. He's not an elite playmaker or elite defensively, partially due to his lack of size. Cade will 100% be better than Beal. Green is gonna end up being a bigger version of Beal who is even more of a scoring machine, and he has the athleticism, size and smarts where teams with high end development programs can help him improve his playmaking and defense which aren't even major weaknesses anyway. Suggs is a an elite shot creator, high end playmaker, elite defensively, and elite athleticism. Beal is basically a one trick pony.

This draft is very top heavy.

I think all of them have a chance to be better than KAT and Beal but the likelihood is all four of them won't. None of them are even close to that level now and in order to get to their level requires lots of hard work and continual progression. I like all 4 prospects a lot and feel they got bigtime upside though.

[Jerry Lucas]

I would trade anyone outside of Cunningham in this draft for Towns. No question about it. He is one of the most elite offensive bigs ever.

I can certainly see the argument for taking Mobley to fill the 5 spot, Green or Suggs for the 2 and using the I think 18M in cap space or so on a young RFA we're in love with at the other spot, but I think the Siakam-OG-VanVleet timeline and on-court fit is just too good to pass up unless Masai thinks one of those guys is an absolute lock to be a top 25 guy by year 3.

Building around a star big in the modern NBA, and adding him to a mediocre core is too good to pass up on?

[Los_29]

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

Also, FVV and Trent Jr is not a winning backcourt lmao even with a half ass bandaid fix attempt to acquire a Clarkson type as a fake go to scorer. The go to scorer on a legit contender is at the 1/2/3 spot in the lineup, and is also a primary initiator and the team's best player.

I sort of agree. I don't think that's a championship backcourt, but you can definitely make the playoffs in the East with that. I need to see more development of Trent's floor game and a larger sample of his defense before I'm convinced he's a starter.

Even from a perspective of just making the playoffs, I take a backcourt of FVV+Green or Suggs+FVV over FVV+Trent 10 times out of 10.

Absolutely. They have way more upside. GTJ is a solid player and still has lots of time to improve. Unfortunately, he doesn't really have the skillset to become a star. I think he can be a starter on a good team though but only if he stays within his role and doesn't try to do too much.

[OAKLEY_2]

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

Also, FVV and Trent Jr is not a winning backcourt lmao even with a half ass bandaid fix attempt to acquire a Clarkson type as a fake go to scorer. The go to scorer on a legit contender is at the 1/2/3 spot in the lineup, and is also a primary initiator and the team's best player.

I sort of agree. I don't think that's a championship backcourt, but you can definitely make the playoffs in the East with that. I need to see more development of Trent's floor game and a larger sample of his defense before I'm convinced he's a starter.

Even from a perspective of just making the playoffs, I take a backcourt of FVV+Green or Suggs+FVV over FVV+Trent 10 times out of 10.

That's not a knock on Trent Jr. as GTjr is the perfect 6th man. I have penciled in Davion Mitchell to pair with Freddy.

[mademan]

Y’all are wild. I’d easily trade any non-Cade pick for towns. It’s a no brainer

[Ell Curry]

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

1. Wolves were 10th in the NBA in SRS and won 47 games with Jimmy Butler only playing 59/82. If you figure that's about as much value as Siakam should bring next year playing 75 times, then I much prefer OG, Van Vleet and Trent to Wiggins, Gibson and Teague. We'd be that good but without the massive chemistry issues and with a much more stable coach and front office situation and culture.

2. Towns is 25 and getting 25 a game. If we assume a normal development curve he's only just getting into the stage of his career where you'd expect him tor really lead a team and 2-3 years from his peak.

3. It's true that this would be closer to the Demar teams than the Kawhi one, but Demar's team got us to being Kawhi's team and though that was quite lucky (Spurs should have taken a different offer) we could also have added another first and had maybe the best offer and that would have been Malachi Flynn. And more importantly, we have 2 forwards that make perfect sense with Towns since they're good, active defenders who will allow Towns to protect the rim and rebound and in Siakam's case, we have a guy who seems likely to be a top 40 guy with no spacing at the 5 and a top 20-25 guy with a great shooter like Towns at the 5.

4. We'd still need a guard/wing unless one of VanVleet or Trent makes a leap, but that's the case even if we draft Mobley, and we'd still need a stretch 5 to get Siakam up to being a #2 scorer if we draft Green and those aren't crawling on trees.

[Mark_83]

If we stay at pick seven I think it's going to be either Keon, Davion, Moody, or Wagner. Those aren't necessarily the guys I want but they fit Masai's M.O. out of the group of players likely to be available.

Side bar, Quentin Crimes is an interesting player in the second. He's in the top 10 in both defensive and offensive win shares. Being compared to Josh Hart, who Masai tried to acquire.

I don't think the front office will take Moody or Keon. They don't really have the impact Masai has historically gone for. In fact, I think Keon might slide into the late lottery unless a team wants to gamble on his athleticism. Wagner is intriguing at 7 I think if he's still there.

Any examples? I'm not sure what you mean by impact other than upside.

Who of Jakob, Pascal, Delon, OG, Malachi, Norm fit that criteria?

All of those guys projected to be solid players, not superstars.

Masai's type in his time with the Raptors has been high IQ, high character players, who are excellent defensive players. The guys I listed all meet that criteria.

[Dalek]

I’m probably the biggest pro-Giddey supporter on here. I think the kid has star potential. The people throwing the Shaun Livingston comparisons are the same people who where comparing SGA to Delon Wright. Just a lazy lazy comparison. Anyways enough about the comparisons, let talk about Giddey.

The kid is only 18 and won’t be 19 until October, and what he did in the NBL considering his age is VERY impressive. The NBL is a grown man league, and is widely known as one of the more physical leagues in the world, it’s not easy for a teenager to play in that league just ask Lamelo Ball, and RJ Hampton.

Lamelo Ball
MPG 31.3
PPG 17.0
RPG 7.6
APG 6.8
TOV 2.5
SPG 1.6
BPG 0.1
FG 37.5 (16.7 attempts)
3FG 25 (6.7 attempts)
FT% 72.3

RJ Hampton
MPG 20.6
PPG 8.8
RPG 3.9
APG 2.4
TOV 1.5
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.3
FG 40.7 (8.2 attempts)
3FG 29.5 (2.5 attempts)
FT% 67.9

Josh Giddey
MPG 32.1
PPG 11.1
RPG 7.4
APG 7.6
TOV 3.3
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.5
FG 43.4 (9.5 attempts)
3FG 30.9 (3.5 attempts)
FT% 69.1

All 3 where 18 year old rookies in the NBL. Lamelo is on his way to becoming ROY, RJ has been turning it on since arriving in Orlando (11/5/2.5 his past 24 games, and 17/6/4 his past 6 games). Giddey has had a better season in the NBL than either of them. Am I saying Giddey>LaMelo Ball? Hell no, even during his struggles in the NBL the tools where apparent and he had a flare that you knew he would figure it lit eventually which is why scouts had him ranked so high.

It’s the same thing with Giddey, the tools are apparent which is why he had been soaring up the draft ranks and why the Raps sent their head scout to watch him. The kid is a 6’8 point guard who lead the league in assists, and is a triple double threat every single night in his league. Even though he lacks muscle and strength at the moment, he proved he could keep up with grown men and dominate at that. Even his jumper is showing tremendous growth. He started off just doing catch and shoot 3’s, but the past couple weeks he’s been doing a lot more pull ups, step backs, etc... I’m not worried about him jumper, once he gains more strength everything is going to fall into place for Josh Giddey.

It’s widely been known he’s the best passer in the draft, but his best skill might be controlling the pace of the game. When it’s all said and done, I wouldn’t be surprised if Giddey ends up being a top 3 player in this draft. He has really high potential, and IMO if he’s there at 7 I’m nabbing him (I wouldn’t be surprised if a team higher took him, I think his stock is going to sky rocket closer to the draft).

Loads of good stuff in your post. You can see how there is some similarity with Ball's year. Both of these guys are wizards with the Ball with LaMelo being a true showman that will take some risks with his passes and shots. Giddey seems a tad bit more conservative just not taking a lot of shots and being more pass-first. Out of a lot of the one and done young prospects I can see him fitting in well with the veteran Toronto group because he knows how to make good reads and with Toronto's motion and flex offense he could be a super-sized decision-maker within it. He'd hit cutters like Yuta or Bembry in a pinch.

I'd only counter that Scottie Barnes has a similar passing profile and will be a better defender. He seems more like a Toronto defense-first guy while Giddey would be a departure because he is an offensive-minded player. Giddey is 6'8 but has a negative wingspan at 6'75". Barnes is well over 7 foot wingspan. Even if Giddey gets stronger it is hard for me to not picture him getting attacked on defense. He seems active on-ball and can slide his feet and be physical, but how would he cope with our switch heavy scheme that requires quick rotations and help decisions?

[Jerry Lucas]

So basically what I'm getting from this is KAT is a top 10-20 player in the league who is a big, in a league where serious contenders can't compete if you build around a C as your go to scorer. Where has building around KAT led the TWolves? They couldn't even make it work with Jimmy who is better than any Raptor since Kawhi, and is even the type of go to scorer you can realistically expect to win a championship with. On paper KAT and Jimmy should have worked, not sure why you think KAT will work with lesser pieces here. And KAT giving us 50 wins in the regular season means nothing if he's not gonna make us serious contenders to win it all.

1. Wolves were 10th in the NBA in SRS and won 47 games with Jimmy Butler only playing 59/82. If you figure that's about as much value as Siakam should bring next year playing 75 times, then I much prefer OG, Van Vleet and Trent to Wiggins, Gibson and Teague. We'd be that good but without the massive chemistry issues and with a much more stable coach and front office situation and culture.

2. Towns is 25 and getting 25 a game. If we assume a normal development curve he's only just getting into the stage of his career where you'd expect him tor really lead a team and 2-3 years from his peak.

3. It's true that this would be closer to the Demar teams than the Kawhi one, but Demar's team got us to being Kawhi's team and though that was quite lucky (Spurs should have taken a different offer) we could also have added another first and had maybe the best offer and that would have been Malachi Flynn. And more importantly, we have 2 forwards that make perfect sense with Towns since they're good, active defenders who will allow Towns to protect the rim and rebound and in Siakam's case, we have a guy who seems likely to be a top 40 guy with no spacing at the 5 and a top 20-25 guy with a great shooter like Towns at the 5.

4. We'd still need a guard/wing unless one of VanVleet or Trent makes a leap, but that's the case even if we draft Mobley, and we'd still need a stretch 5 to get Siakam up to being a #2 scorer if we draft Green and those aren't crawling on trees.

1. And they lost to the Rockets in 5 games first round, no match for a real contender with the type of go to scorer you can actually win with (Harden). Also I wouldn't be so sure KAT is the type of player you want to add to a winning culture, Jimmy hated him so much he had to take him down in practice with the 3rd stringers just to shut him up.

2. Lead a team where? To the 2nd round? Modern NBA doesn't roll like this.

3. The Kawhi trade was like hitting the jackpot, can't expect something like this to happen again when we can acquire a franchise talent like Green/Cade/Suggs organically through the draft in your scenario that we are one of the lottery winners.

4. I still take Green over Mobley, the franchise level go to scorer hole is the more important one to fill.

[Los_29]

Y’all are wild. I’d easily trade any non-Cade pick for towns. It’s a no brainer

I wouldn't. I'll take my chances with Green and Suggs. There is a possibility they won't ever be as good as KAT but their upside is far higher and KAT hasn't won in this league. He's been in the league for 6 years now and they've made the playoffs once and that was because of Butler. We know KAT isn't a difference maker. But Suggs and Green could be.

[ATLTimekeeper]

> 18p/40 > .200 guys that could go lotto:

Mobley 19.3/.248
Suggs 19.9/.210
Kispert 23.4/.251
J. Butler 22/.239
Duarte 20.1/.211
Dosunmu 22.9/.207

So, something like that for future all-NBA players and then the wildcards are Kuminga and Green, Giddey and Sengun? If there is an outlier from the NCAA, there's most likely going to be only one. My money would be on Cade. He'll be given every opportunity to succeed, too.

[Jerry Lucas]

Y’all are wild. I’d easily trade any non-Cade pick for towns. It’s a no brainer

Lmao I think anyone who trades Green/Suggs/Mobley for Towns is wild.

[RapsFanInOhio]

If we stay in the 7-9 range my three top picks are 1. Mitchell, 2. Kispert, 3. Giddey, in that order.

Each of those guys brings something that makes us better, and they all look like winners which I always feel gets underrated.

You’d waste the pick on Kispert? Hes basically Joe Harris. Why use a high pick on that

Joe Harris is pretty dang good.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Y’all are wild. I’d easily trade any non-Cade pick for towns. It’s a no brainer

Lmao I think anyone who trades Green/Suggs/Mobley for Towns is wild.

I’m torn, but I can see both sides. It’s certainly close.

Mobley will be a better defender and may never be as good of a shooter.
Suggs gives me tweener vibes, but may be more impactful defensively.
Green is probably going to be a similar level scorer.

It’s one of those, wouldn’t be mad if they did, wouldn’t be mad if they didn’t scenarios. I would not give up #1 overall for KAT, though. Cade has a good chance to be better.