Summer League Thread Part 5: Raps win Finale 86-72. Banton 9,9,4/Morgan 24pts

[LBJKB24MJ23]

maybe the unstructured nature of the summer league doesn't suit him? He looked waaaaay better last year, not sure whats going on there.

I don’t know if he looked way better. Probably masked by superior talent around him more than anything. He’s an energy but undersized big man lacking fundamentals.


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yes but he was still effective. Some players are not at all suited to summer league. Any big that lives on the PnR may be playing SL with a fringe PG which makes it almost impossible for them to showcase skills

Not even that. Dude is missing point blank at the rim lol


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[Dalek]

I don’t know if he looked way better. Probably masked by superior talent around him more than anything. He’s an energy but undersized big man lacking fundamentals.


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yes but he was still effective. Some players are not at all suited to summer league. Any big that lives on the PnR may be playing SL with a fringe PG which makes it almost impossible for them to showcase skills

Not even that. Dude is missing point blank at the rim lol


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I think people are being way too hard on the guy. It was a bad summer league which was 4 games and he was put in more of a role where people were passing to him to create a shot quickly and/or was a bit too far from the basket. He is just a screener and a guy you park for offensive boards.

Freddie played 20 actual games and averaged 5 and 5 and 1 block which translates to 13 and 12 and 2.5 blocks per 36 mins. I mean for a third string C on a rebuilding team he is more than fine.

You sign a guy like Isaiah Hartenstein who is probably better, but he will expect to play and not sit on the bench (remember Alex Len asking to be released last season). I think part of the good with Freddie is he is a team first guy and can play well in spot minutes and he brings all kinds of toughness and physicality and knows how to defend. We are talking about the guy who led the G-League bubble last year in rim protection.

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[Federalies]

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[ItsDanger]

Hartenstein is error and foul prone in a major way. Freddie G is fine for his current role. Not every player has to fit into long term plans.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

yes but he was still effective. Some players are not at all suited to summer league. Any big that lives on the PnR may be playing SL with a fringe PG which makes it almost impossible for them to showcase skills

Not even that. Dude is missing point blank at the rim lol


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I think people are being way too hard on the guy. It was a bad summer league which was 4 games and he was put in more of a role where people were passing to him to create a shot quickly and/or was a bit too far from the basket. He is just a screener and a guy you park for offensive boards.

Freddie played 20 actual games and averaged 5 and 5 and 1 block which translates to 13 and 12 and 2.5 blocks per 36 mins. I mean for a third string C on a rebuilding team he is more than fine.

You sign a guy like Isaiah Hartenstein who is probably better, but he will expect to play and not sit on the bench (remember Alex Len asking to be released last season). I think part of the good with Freddie is he is a team first guy and can play well in spot minutes and he brings all kinds of toughness and physicality and knows how to defend. We are talking about the guy who led the G-League bubble last year in rim protection.

we aren't talking about his defensive side. we are talking about his lack of any offensive abilities or touch and overall game. summer league definitely makes him look bad because defensive schemes are much looser and the play style is geared more towards offensive players.

in a vacuum, Gillespie is a terrible NBA player but in the right system, where defensive stops are preached and praised, flaws can be hidden. good thing Gillespie has a motor and doesn't quit on plays defensively, good instinct on defense, and is super active. he's not uncoordinated for the most part, so there is something the Raptors can work with.

[ItsDanger]

Watching some of the play: Mahmoud looks soft, Champagnie is just bottom bench guy.

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He was definitely better than Baynes during the season, but good lord he's looked bad in summer league.

Alfonzo McKinnie ... same thing.

Not sure what people expect with 13-14-15 slotted players. Inconsistency is their game.

I don't know, maybe a guy to play better against summer league talent versus regular season NBA players....

Does not explain why you do not pick up Jericho SIMS for a second round pick instead of that other guy after banton.

Freddie G is a good guy but god the guys athleticisim is sub par. He can get that occasional block and he works hard but man what are they doing. Freddie G has problems jumping over a phone book.

Sims has size, wingspan, speed, hops and length. Great timing on the lobs. Defensively he can block people and has tonnes of room for improvement

Dude has the 3rd highest recorded jump in history at the combine. How do you not take that.
https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/jericho-sims

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[Dalek]

Not even that. Dude is missing point blank at the rim lol


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I think people are being way too hard on the guy. It was a bad summer league which was 4 games and he was put in more of a role where people were passing to him to create a shot quickly and/or was a bit too far from the basket. He is just a screener and a guy you park for offensive boards.

Freddie played 20 actual games and averaged 5 and 5 and 1 block which translates to 13 and 12 and 2.5 blocks per 36 mins. I mean for a third string C on a rebuilding team he is more than fine.

You sign a guy like Isaiah Hartenstein who is probably better, but he will expect to play and not sit on the bench (remember Alex Len asking to be released last season). I think part of the good with Freddie is he is a team first guy and can play well in spot minutes and he brings all kinds of toughness and physicality and knows how to defend. We are talking about the guy who led the G-League bubble last year in rim protection.

we aren't talking about his defensive side. we are talking about his lack of any offensive abilities or touch and overall game. summer league definitely makes him look bad because defensive schemes are much looser and the play style is geared more towards offensive players.

in a vacuum, Gillespie is a terrible NBA player but in the right system, where defensive stops are preached and praised, flaws can be hidden. good thing Gillespie has a motor and doesn't quit on plays defensively, good instinct on defense, and is super active. he's not uncoordinated for the most part, so there is something the Raptors can work with.

For sure, you need to hide his flaws on offense - he has like zero vert leap and no jumper, but he is a guy who throws his weight around and adds toughness. Plus, even though he is only 6'9 he has a 7'5 wingspan and can absolutely nail guys on screens. I don't know what this team is trying to create, but everyone is now a plus defender other than maybe Malachi.

I don't know how much the bench will score, but other teams are going to be suffocated in the paint and perimeter.

[PT416]

Gillespie took Baynes' powers. If we decide to tank another year, he will be the commander.

[Vorticity]

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Barnes got rest for this game ???

I’m guessing the team wanted him to finish on a good note since he played well last game. Precious as well….

all teams have been resting their top picks for the last game, where do you come up with these narratives? lol

Lol….have they really ? I only watched Cades, Greens and Mobley’s first games and all of Suggs until he got hurt.

I never knew this was a league wide thing they were doing with the top picks.

My bad……

well 2 Jalens got hurt, so that was that
Scottie actually played 4 games, the rest of the top 5 picks played 3 games, for a recap here's a good summary
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/16/nba-summer-league-las-vegas-rookies-impress/

[Vorticity]

say what?
"Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs praise infectious personality of Toronto Raptors rookie"
https://ca.nba.com/news/scottie-barnes-cade-cunningham-and-jalen-suggs-praise-infectious-personality-of-toronto-raptors-rookie/78wlo9pfzhdf14xxlpej1lgh6

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[Tor_Raps]

say what?
"Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs praise infectious personality of Toronto Raptors rookie"
https://ca.nba.com/news/scottie-barnes-cade-cunningham-and-jalen-suggs-praise-infectious-personality-of-toronto-raptors-rookie/78wlo9pfzhdf14xxlpej1lgh6

Draymond Green confirmed lol.

[Dalek]

Alfonzo McKinnie ... same thing.

Not sure what people expect with 13-14-15 slotted players. Inconsistency is their game.

I don't know, maybe a guy to play better against summer league talent versus regular season NBA players....

Does not explain why you do not pick up Jericho SIMS for a second round pick instead of that other guy after banton.

Freddie G is a good guy but god the guys athleticisim is sub par. He can get that occasional block and he works hard but man what are they doing. Freddie G has problems jumping over a phone book.

Sims has size, wingspan, speed, hops and length. Great timing on the lobs. Defensively he can block people and has tonnes of room for improvement

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The Sims match-up highlighted how Freddie is such a below the rim athlete. Sims has shown some great hops and energy as a big man. Sigh, I was hoping we drafted him but I can see where Toronto is going.

I honestly think Toronto is moving away from traditional positions. Like, if we use Precious as a PF/C, and Banton as a quasi-guard, and Barnes as a positionless player, they have maximum line-up flexibility with these 6'9ish players who are extremely versatile on defense. It helps to nullify guys like Sims because you have athletes who can totally blow-up pick and rolls. Guards passing windows are just that much smaller with 7 foot wingspans.

[Federalies]

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all teams have been resting their top picks for the last game, where do you come up with these narratives? lol

Lol….have they really ? I only watched Cades, Greens and Mobley’s first games and all of Suggs until he got hurt.

I never knew this was a league wide thing they were doing with the top picks.

My bad……

well 2 Jalens got hurt, so that was that
Scottie actually played 4 games, the rest of the top 5 picks played 3 games, for a recap here's a good summary
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/08/16/nba-summer-league-las-vegas-rookies-impress/

Nice find, I particularly liked the following quote Re: Barnes!

“The impressive all-around showing against the Hornets led one executive to argue that Barnes, 20, has the highest ceiling of any player in the Class of 2021, including Cunningham and Green.
“Don’t think of him as the next Pascal Siakam or OG Anunoby,” he said. “He should be better than both. He’s their highest draft pick since Andrea Bargnani.””

[Dennis 37]

Freddie being this useless after being decent at the end of the season is honestly shocking

How can you be missing easy shots and failing to catch passes?

What we have to remember is that there was no competition at the end of last year. No Precious pushing him to third string. He just might feel the pressure of competing for a spot too much.

[Bruin]

say what?
"Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs praise infectious personality of Toronto Raptors rookie"
https://ca.nba.com/news/scottie-barnes-cade-cunningham-and-jalen-suggs-praise-infectious-personality-of-toronto-raptors-rookie/78wlo9pfzhdf14xxlpej1lgh6

[Dalek]

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No Raptors make the first-team list, but neither did Cade, Green, Suggs or Mobley. What are the supposed media members seeing here. A couple selections stood out:

I was amazed that Jalen Johnson went so low in the draft and his summer league was pretty impressive: 19 and 9 and 42% from three. Maybe be somewhat influenced by Sharife Cooper spoonfeeding him looks. Look at how high JT Thor went.

Trey Murphy III was my pick for lottery and a guy at 6'9 who can shoot 50/40/90 in college and defend is special. 56/44/100 in a handful of summer league games is crazy. He also had nearly 2 steals and block per game.

Why Davion Mitchell makes first team makes no sense. I guess he was such an amazing defender you ignore the fact he only scored 11 PPG and only hit 29% from the freethrow line. He did hit on over 47% from three and get nearly 6 assists.

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No Raptors make the first-team list, but neither did Cade, Green, Suggs or Mobley. What are the supposed media members seeing here. A couple selections stood out:

I was amazed that Jalen Johnson went so low in the draft and his summer league was pretty impressive: 19 and 9 and 42% from three. Maybe be somewhat influenced by Sharife Cooper spoonfeeding him looks. Look at how high JT Thor went.

Trey Murphy III was my pick for lottery and a guy at 6'9 who can shoot 50/40/90 in college and defend is special. 56/44/100 in a handful of summer league games is crazy. He also had nearly 2 steals and block per game.

Why Davion Mitchell makes first team makes no sense. I guess he was such an amazing defender you ignore the fact he only scored 11 PPG and only hit 29% from the freethrow line. He did hit on over 47% from three and get nearly 6 assists.

I just wanted to mention my favorite under-the-radar prospect: JaQuori McLaughlin. He was extremely shifty with the ball, nice explosiveness and is 6'4. I think this guy will be in the NBA.

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I don't know, maybe a guy to play better against summer league talent versus regular season NBA players....

Does not explain why you do not pick up Jericho SIMS for a second round pick instead of that other guy after banton.

Freddie G is a good guy but god the guys athleticisim is sub par. He can get that occasional block and he works hard but man what are they doing. Freddie G has problems jumping over a phone book.

Sims has size, wingspan, speed, hops and length. Great timing on the lobs. Defensively he can block people and has tonnes of room for improvement

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The Sims match-up highlighted how Freddie is such a below the rim athlete. Sims has shown some great hops and energy as a big man. Sigh, I was hoping we drafted him but I can see where Toronto is going.

I honestly think Toronto is moving away from traditional positions. Like, if we use Precious as a PF/C, and Banton as a quasi-guard, and Barnes as a positionless player, they have maximum line-up flexibility with these 6'9ish players who are extremely versatile on defense. It helps to nullify guys like Sims because you have athletes who can totally blow-up pick and rolls. Guards passing windows are just that much smaller with 7 foot wingspans.

Sims free throw was horrible. We got enough non-shooters, I think David Johnson being a shooter will help, once he improves his defense.