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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1881 » by 6ixpessant » Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:04 am

docholliday99 wrote:
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Masai has tried to trade for him before and for good reason. There were 23 NBA players in 2022/23 that averaged 20+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 4+ apg and Herro was one of them, he's done it the past 2 years, is one of the best 3 pt and ft shooters in the league and is still only 23 with room to grow. Not everyone can be solid 2 ways players but players that can do what Herro can, don't grow in trees.


So he's Spencer Dinwiddle.... just younger. There's also nothing about his game that is going to improve all that much. He's lazy without the ball... that's a brain thing.


Dinwiddie has never averaged 20/5/4, averaged 20ppg only once and Herro is a superior shooter. As for being lazy without the ball, you don't average 5 rpg being lazy. Herro would be perfect with a developmental coach like Darko.


ya, 18/7/4 is so much different.

5rpg is nothing with the amount of 3's taken in today's game....

I mean, if you want to be a stat kid... (someone actually did this comparison on reddit :lol: )

Tyler herro= 20/4/5 43/37/93 on 56% TS .164FTR 19.9% AST% 0.072 WS/48 0.6 BPM 1.6 VORP +1.3 offensive raptor and -1.4 def raptor

Spencer Dinwiddie= 18/7/4 43/37/81 on 57% TS .314FTR 28.1 AST% .111 WS/48 0.7 BPM 1.8 VORP +1.7 offensive raptor and -1.1 def raptor

Herro is trash, he's just a media darling for whatever reason, and there's a reason no one wants him.... He's lazy... go back and watch some Heat games.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1882 » by Ackshun » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:25 am

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So he's Spencer Dinwiddle.... just younger. There's also nothing about his game that is going to improve all that much. He's lazy without the ball... that's a brain thing.


Dinwiddie has never averaged 20/5/4, averaged 20ppg only once and Herro is a superior shooter. As for being lazy without the ball, you don't average 5 rpg being lazy. Herro would be perfect with a developmental coach like Darko.


ya, 18/7/4 is so much different.

5rpg is nothing with the amount of 3's taken in today's game....

I mean, if you want to be a stat kid... (someone actually did this comparison on reddit :lol: )

Tyler herro= 20/4/5 43/37/93 on 56% TS .164FTR 19.9% AST% 0.072 WS/48 0.6 BPM 1.6 VORP +1.3 offensive raptor and -1.4 def raptor

Spencer Dinwiddie= 18/7/4 43/37/81 on 57% TS .314FTR 28.1 AST% .111 WS/48 0.7 BPM 1.8 VORP +1.7 offensive raptor and -1.1 def raptor

Herro is trash, he's just a media darling for whatever reason, and there's a reason no one wants him.... He's lazy... go back and watch some Heat games.


Kid is 23 and putting up those type of numbers? I wouldn’t say he’s trash, but instead a guy with potential.

The part you left out is:

TS%, Ws/48 and VORP is on an upward trajectory since he entered the league 4 years ago.

His defense is a struggle but if we are using his def RAPTOR, it was the same # as Pascal last year. Better than guys that this board loves like Kuminga, Mathurin, Nembhard, Sharpe, De’Aaron Fox and Lonnie Walker.

I wouldn’t give up a ton for him but I also wouldn’t lose any sleep.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1883 » by docholliday99 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:45 pm

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docholliday99 wrote:
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So he's Spencer Dinwiddle.... just younger. There's also nothing about his game that is going to improve all that much. He's lazy without the ball... that's a brain thing.


Dinwiddie has never averaged 20/5/4, averaged 20ppg only once and Herro is a superior shooter. As for being lazy without the ball, you don't average 5 rpg being lazy. Herro would be perfect with a developmental coach like Darko.


ya, 18/7/4 is so much different.

5rpg is nothing with the amount of 3's taken in today's game....

I mean, if you want to be a stat kid... (someone actually did this comparison on reddit :lol: )

Tyler herro= 20/4/5 43/37/93 on 56% TS .164FTR 19.9% AST% 0.072 WS/48 0.6 BPM 1.6 VORP +1.3 offensive raptor and -1.4 def raptor

Spencer Dinwiddie= 18/7/4 43/37/81 on 57% TS .314FTR 28.1 AST% .111 WS/48 0.7 BPM 1.8 VORP +1.7 offensive raptor and -1.1 def raptor

Herro is trash, he's just a media darling for whatever reason, and there's a reason no one wants him.... He's lazy... go back and watch some Heat games.


You used someone else that referenced his stats from last season only, but the 30yo Dinwiddie is a career 13.8/3.1/5.3 with shooting splits of 41.7/33.3/79.5. I quite like Dinwiddie and he managed to average 17.3/3.4/6.5, though it took him 8 years of growth in the NBA before last season when he did that and no guarantee that he will continue those marks this coming season (I hope he does though). However, Dinwiddie at 23 is not Herro at 23.

And who says no one wants Herro? Masai has allegedly tried and several others as well, c'mon now. I'm not saying we have to have Herro but I wouldn't be sad about it if we did.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1884 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:40 pm

I know the reason behind my interest in Herro is because his strengths are what the Raptors are lacking. Sometimes it isn't having the best players but how the pieces fit. I think Herro would fit wonderfully in Toronto.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1885 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:18 pm

Maybe GTJ finally developed his handles enough to play more like Tyler Herro. If this dude's ever develops that ability to dribble around players and shoot on the move, he's going to be heavily sought after.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1886 » by goinrogue » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:45 pm

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Raptors dont have any picks to offer the Trail Blazers. Our young assets are only Barnes, Trent, Precious, and Dick; highly doubt we or the Blazers can make a deal work.


Barnes, OPJ (waive), Boucher,Thad (waive), Flynn (waive) for Dame works. Barnes if the perfect young frontcourt piece for the Blazers, Dames is the backcourt star we need to balance the roster, and clear up the Siakam, Barnes log jam



Darko has praised Scottie so much since getting hired. I feel like a big reason he was hired is cause he went over his plans to make Scottie a star. Everything points to Scottie being off limits imo.

This works in trade checker

- Miami trades Herro, Robinson, Jacques jr and jovic
Miami gets Lillard and Flynn

- Portland trades Dame and little.
Get back pascal, robbinson, jaquez jr

Toronto trades pascal and Flynn
Get back little, Herro and jovic

Picks not included but to be added
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1887 » by mtcan » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:01 pm

goinrogue wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Raptors dont have any picks to offer the Trail Blazers. Our young assets are only Barnes, Trent, Precious, and Dick; highly doubt we or the Blazers can make a deal work.


Barnes, OPJ (waive), Boucher,Thad (waive), Flynn (waive) for Dame works. Barnes if the perfect young frontcourt piece for the Blazers, Dames is the backcourt star we need to balance the roster, and clear up the Siakam, Barnes log jam



Darko has praised Scottie so much since getting hired. I feel like a big reason he was hired is cause he went over his plans to make Scottie a star. Everything points to Scottie being off limits imo.

This works in trade checker

- Miami trades Herro, Robinson, Jacques jr and jovic
Miami gets Lillard and Flynn

- Portland trades Dame and little.
Get back pascal, robbinson, jaquez jr

Toronto trades pascal and Flynn
Get back little, Herro and jovic

Picks not included but to be added

Portland doesn't want 29 year old Pascal on their rebuilding team.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1888 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:20 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:I know the reason behind my interest in Herro is because his strengths are what the Raptors are lacking. Sometimes it isn't having the best players but how the pieces fit. I think Herro would fit wonderfully in Toronto.


Watching our offense last season, combined with the fact that defense really doesn't matter anymore.....has made me come around on guys like Herro and Simons.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1889 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:31 pm

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Raptorfan2012 wrote:Raptors dont have any picks to offer the Trail Blazers. Our young assets are only Barnes, Trent, Precious, and Dick; highly doubt we or the Blazers can make a deal work.


Barnes, OPJ (waive), Boucher,Thad (waive), Flynn (waive) for Dame works. Barnes if the perfect young frontcourt piece for the Blazers, Dames is the backcourt star we need to balance the roster, and clear up the Siakam, Barnes log jam


I'm surprised how many people on this board can't see that. I do think the front office is waiting to see how Barnes does this year and may trade Siakam instead.


It's not what we see or don't see. It's what Masai sees. Based on everything we have heard and seen this summer, not only is Barnes not getting traded....he is becoming the focal point of the team. Whether some of us agree with that or not doesn't matter, that is what's happening.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1890 » by MoneyBall » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 pm

I don't even think Portland has seriously entertained trade offers from teams other than Miami.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1891 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:13 pm

MoneyBall wrote:I don't even think Portland has seriously entertained trade offers from teams other than Miami.


Of course not. This is a huge game of chicken except Riley isn't playing. He knows, as well as most of us do, that Dame will start the season in Miami.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1892 » by JRoy » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:20 pm

goinrogue wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Raptors dont have any picks to offer the Trail Blazers. Our young assets are only Barnes, Trent, Precious, and Dick; highly doubt we or the Blazers can make a deal work.


Barnes, OPJ (waive), Boucher,Thad (waive), Flynn (waive) for Dame works. Barnes if the perfect young frontcourt piece for the Blazers, Dames is the backcourt star we need to balance the roster, and clear up the Siakam, Barnes log jam



Darko has praised Scottie so much since getting hired. I feel like a big reason he was hired is cause he went over his plans to make Scottie a star. Everything points to Scottie being off limits imo.

This works in trade checker

- Miami trades Herro, Robinson, Jacques jr and jovic
Miami gets Lillard and Flynn

- Portland trades Dame and little.
Get back pascal, robbinson, jaquez jr

Toronto trades pascal and Flynn
Get back little, Herro and jovic

Picks not included but to be added


Why does POR downgrade Lillard to Siakam?

This makes zero sense for POR, we want youth and picks.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1893 » by Badonkadonk » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:30 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:Maybe GTJ finally developed his handles enough to play more like Tyler Herro. If this dude's ever develops that ability to dribble around players and shoot on the move, he's going to be heavily sought after.

That also seems to be at least part of GTJ's focus this summer in his workouts and skills development (lots of ball handling drills).

Watching Herro the past couple of seasons, it's not as if he creates team advantage with his dribble, he mostly uses it to get the shot he wants and manipulate his defender 1:1. I agree he's closer to the GTJ combo style.
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Post#1894 » by HumbleRen » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:30 pm

Pat Riley always gets what he wants, one way or another.

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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1895 » by Clay Davis » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:46 pm

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I think that the time is near when an Indian super-celebrity will capture the hearts and minds of everyone.

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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1896 » by Purple+Black » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:50 pm

I don’t know anything but do Dame, Giannis, & Pascal work together?
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1897 » by T_saurus » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:51 pm

goinrogue wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Raptors dont have any picks to offer the Trail Blazers. Our young assets are only Barnes, Trent, Precious, and Dick; highly doubt we or the Blazers can make a deal work.


Barnes, OPJ (waive), Boucher,Thad (waive), Flynn (waive) for Dame works. Barnes if the perfect young frontcourt piece for the Blazers, Dames is the backcourt star we need to balance the roster, and clear up the Siakam, Barnes log jam



Darko has praised Scottie so much since getting hired. I feel like a big reason he was hired is cause he went over his plans to make Scottie a star. Everything points to Scottie being off limits imo.

This works in trade checker

- Miami trades Herro, Robinson, Jacques jr and jovic
Miami gets Lillard and Flynn

- Portland trades Dame and little.
Get back pascal, robbinson, jaquez jr

Toronto trades pascal and Flynn
Get back little, Herro and jovic

Picks not included but to be added
Why would we trade PS for such a TERRIBLE return?
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1898 » by Dalek » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:48 pm

I saw the saddest thing on social media.

Read on Twitter


I don't care if you guys call Lowry cooked, I think we need a Masai/Bobby intervention to bring him back to Toronto.

Toronto gets:
Lowry (the captain returns)
Jovic (Serbian connection)

Miami gets:
Lillard (chamionship piece)
Thad (vet)
Porter Jr. (vet with championship experience)

Portland gets:
Herro (high level prospect)
Boucher (former Oregon Duck
Flynn (Pacific Northwest kid)
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1899 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:21 pm

Dalek wrote:I saw the saddest thing on social media.

Read on Twitter


I don't care if you guys call Lowry cooked, I think we need a Masai/Bobby intervention to bring him back to Toronto.

Toronto gets:
Lowry (the captain returns)
Jovic (Serbian connection)

Miami gets:
Lillard (chamionship piece)
Thad (vet)
Porter Jr. (vet with championship experience)

Portland gets:
Herro (high level prospect)
Boucher (former Oregon Duck
Flynn (Pacific Northwest kid)


1. We Raptors fans know that Lowry and Billups are very close so not sure what you think that tweet says
2. Why would Portland do this? They might as well take Jovic for themselves. What is Boucher/Flynn going to do for them either on the roster or in the trade market?
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#1900 » by Federalies » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:46 pm

Marc Spears says he knows something about something!

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