Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

dgr81 · Post #1901 » by **dgr81** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:03 am

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1902 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:04 am

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Kreamy · Post #1903 » by **Kreamy** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:05 am

From a talent perspective, Barnes is not on the same level as Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs. He doesn't pass the eye test, doesn't have the stats to show it, can't rebound or score. From a fit perspective, we're probably the worst fit from the teams drafting top 6. So not really sure what the appeal is other than his measurements and 7'3 wingspan.

dgr81 · Post #1904 » by **dgr81** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:10 am

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mademan · Post #1905 » by **mademan** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:10 am

People saying Barnes cant rebound, you guys know he defended PG's primarily, right? He didnt play as a big, which is what made him so special, that at his size he was tasked with guarding the opposing PG/lead ball handler every game

mademan · Post #1906 » by **mademan** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:14 am

Kreamy wrote:From a talent perspective, Barnes is not on the same level as Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs. He doesn't pass the eye test, doesn't have the stats to show it, can't rebound or score. From a fit perspective, we're probably the worst fit from the teams drafting top 6. So not really sure what the appeal is other than his measurements and 7'3 wingspan.

His appeal is pretty clear. He's a 6'9 point forward with DPOY type potential. I understand questions about fit and going with the 4 guys who've been there all year, but it's disingenuous to think there shouldnt be a discussion about him. He's a special combo of size/athletic/long/BBIQ/ball handling/playmaking/defense. Maybe he never puts it together, but the potential is obv there

RaptorReloaded · Post #1907 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:15 am

Kreamy wrote:From a talent perspective, Barnes is not on the same level as Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs. He doesn't pass the eye test, doesn't have the stats to show it, can't rebound or score. From a fit perspective, we're probably the worst fit from the teams drafting top 6. So not really sure what the appeal is other than his measurements and 7'3 wingspan.

Does Hollinger have some sort of vested interested in pushing Barnes and what is Hollingers record when it comes to the prospects that he hypes up?

Clutch0z24 · Post #1908 » by **Clutch0z24** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:17 am

Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Bruin · Post #1909 » by **Bruin** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:17 am

mademan wrote:People saying Barnes cant rebound, you guys know he defended PG's primarily, right? He didnt play as a big, which is what made him so special, that at his size he was tasked with guarding the opposing PG/lead ball handler every game

Suggs grabbed more rebounds while guarding the lead ball handler too

Kreamy · Post #1910 » by **Kreamy** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:22 am

mademan wrote:People saying Barnes cant rebound, you guys know he defended PG's primarily, right? He didnt play as a big, which is what made him so special, that at his size he was tasked with guarding the opposing PG/lead ball handler every game

He's not playing PG in the NBA. Maybe occasionally but that's a gimmick. He averaged 6/3/2 in 3 games in the NCAA tournament. I'm willing to bet guys like Giddey, Bouknight and Sengun will go on to have better NBA careers. He's got the highest bust potential in the top 10.

mademan · Post #1911 » by **mademan** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:22 am

PrinceAli wrote:
mademan wrote:People saying Barnes cant rebound, you guys know he defended PG's primarily, right? He didnt play as a big, which is what made him so special, that at his size he was tasked with guarding the opposing PG/lead ball handler every game

Suggs grabbed more rebounds while guarding the lead ball handler too

Individual rebounds, unless that's like your thing, is a consequence of team composition and system. I dont mind there being questions about Barnes' rebounding, but rebounding in general is just about hustle, and Barnes has shown he's one of the most active guys. Maybe they didnt want him to rebound and to box out/leak out instead. He plays to hard to question his commitment on the boards

wtcantfw · Post #1912 » by **wtcantfw** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:22 am

What's with the Barnes hype? I would have thought the Ben Simmons slander after the playoffs would drive down the value of a big point forward with elite defense but no jumpshot.

mademan · Post #1913 » by **mademan** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:24 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Anthony Bennett had a 28 PER in college. He was a better offensive player, by the numbers, than a lot of the top 10 picks (including Suggs)

Mehar · Post #1914 » by **Mehar** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:25 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Best post of the day. Took the words out of my mouth. Some of these gullible posters fall in love with measurements, and also get easily influenced with what some of these so called American "expert" writers say. I stopped paying attention to the likes of Hollinger and Chad Ford. These guys all have an agenda in my opinion. Two and three months ago, they had Scottie Barnes going as low as 9, and high as 7. The Raptors move up to 4, and the same writers are saying he is a perfect fit on Toronto. Give me a break. Ignore Dumb and Dumber- Chad Ford and John Hollinger. I will not be surprised if OKC is paying some money to these fools, to hype up Barnes and Kuminga. Hoping Toronto or Cleveland pass on guys like Mobley/Suggs.

Clutch0z24 · Post #1915 » by **Clutch0z24** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:28 am

mademan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Anthony Bennett had a 28 PER in college. He was a better offensive player, by the numbers, than a lot of the top 10 picks (including Suggs)

But im saying Barnes Offensive game is CLEARLY worlds away from even a Suggs/Mobley/Green level so thats just bad....His offensive game needs more then just work it will be hard to see him ever being a real factor on the court like Suggs/Mobley/Green show they can become a real factor on the offensive end one day unlike Barnes

PhilBlackson · Post #1916 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:28 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:Also do not think for a second Weltman and Masai won't try help each other especially picking 4-5. If Masai knows Weltman wants Kuminga and there is good will not to pick him rest assured that conversation has been had.

Just LOL if you think Masai would pass on Kuminga if he wanted to draft him, set back his own franchise just because they were old colleagues :lol:

stop it...

WuTang_CMB · Post #1917 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:34 am

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mtcan · Post #1918 » by **mtcan** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:34 am

Mehar wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Best post of the day. Took the words out of my mouth. Some of these gullible posters fall in love with measurements, and also get easily influenced with what some of these so called American "expert" writers say. I stopped paying attention to the likes of Hollinger and Chad Ford. These guys all have an agenda in my opinion. Two and three months ago, they had Scottie Barnes going as low as 9, and high as 7. The Raptors move up to 4, and the same writers are saying he is a perfect fit on Toronto. Give me a break. Ignore Dumb and Dumber- Chad Ford and John Hollinger. I will not be surprised if OKC is paying some money to these fools, to hype up Barnes and Kuminga. Hoping Toronto or Cleveland pass on guys like Mobley/Suggs.

Yup...there is NO way the Raptors pass over Mobley or Suggs in favour of 2 unknowns. You all hated the Bruno pick and the 2 years away from being 2 years away...well...it's gonna be a while Barnes to develop an offensive game worthy of being a starter...similar with Kuminga.

The Raptors team defence has been elite under Nick Nurse...so I'm not concerned about our ability to stop opponents. The problem has always been offence and finishing games. Barnes ain't that guy you give the ball to when the game is on the line. You can't count on him now and who knows what he becomes with development. While he has shot 3s...he's a reluctant shooter. This isn't the kind of player this team needs right now.

Jcity08 · Post #1919 » by **Jcity08** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:34 am

Just mentioning Barnes in a sentence constitutes Barnes hype apparently on this board. People need to stop feeling threatened and making a big deal about every little thing regarding this draft.

dgr81 · Post #1920 » by **dgr81** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:38 am

Mehar wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:Barnes seems to be getting alot of fans here on this board as of late....I think most of you are falling into the trap most do when seeing a players Physic and Size...I feel most that are on the Barnes bandwagon right now are not wanting him based on his Skills but more so his Physical attributes and you cannot draft that way....

Yes Barnes has skills but he also has so many weaknesses ...And a really severe weakness that could hinder his growth as a player to the point could become a bust...Is that worth the risk when you have one of Suggs/Mobley/Green there on a silver platter who all have less of a chance of being a bust based on the weaknesses they have are not that severe and can be worked on easy....

Barnes is a worse offensive player than Anthony Bennett coming into the NBA and thats just scary to take a gamble on at 4...Its hard to draft someone with such a limited offensive game in todays NBA

Best post of the day. Took the words out of my mouth. Some of these gullible posters fall in love with measurements, and also get easily influenced with what some of these so called American "expert" writers say. I stopped paying attention to the likes of Hollinger and Chad Ford. These guys all have an agenda in my opinion. Two and three months ago, they had Scottie Barnes going as low as 9, and high as 7. The Raptors move up to 4, and the same writers are saying he is a perfect fit on Toronto. Give me a break. Ignore Dumb and Dumber- Chad Ford and John Hollinger. I will not be surprised if OKC is paying some money to these fools, to hype up Barnes and Kuminga. Hoping Toronto or Cleveland pass on guys like Mobley/Suggs.

I don't put much weight into hollinger's big board, but the thing with chad ford is, he's not a scout. he's not trying to predict who will be the best player from this draft 5 years from now.

chad has connections around the league, and if he has barnes in the top 4 then there are scouts around the league who believe barnes will go higher than first expected.

again, i personally would go with suggs, but there is a lot of smoke out there...