2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[brownbobcat]

Yeah I think the math around Boucher is simple.

If you're not committing major bucks to him, we need to deal him. If we keep him, get ready to pay.

I think he gets the MLE for 4 years with max raises. Do you want to commit that to a bench player?

I would be shocked if he got that. He's an 8th-10th guy on most good teams, not as dependable as guys like Montreal or Crowder

[NecessaryEvil]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

[Rapsfan07]

Yeah I think the math around Boucher is simple.

If you're not committing major bucks to him, we need to deal him. If we keep him, get ready to pay.

I think he gets the MLE for 4 years with max raises. Do you want to commit that to a bench player?

No I don't. I've been on the Trade Boucher bandwagon for a while

[Rapsfan07]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

I would do this. Think it works for both teams

[Madhouse]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

so we can sign Boucher and have the full MLE or does he eat into that?

[SurgeIblocka]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

so we can sign Boucher and have the full MLE or does he eat into that?

We can use MLE to sign a player and then use Boucher’s bird rights we have to sign him if we are over the cap. It will all depend on if Masai has bigger plans of getting a better player than Boucher at the deadline or the summer with the assets he has.

I think if we land a center better than him this trade deadline we will trade him, but if we are trading for a bench guard then it makes sense to keep him and use the MLE on a big this summer

[PhilBlackson]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

I would do this. Think it works for both teams

Copy that.

Not that I think White will be anything special but he can certainly be built up to be a solid backup PG since Flynn isn't living up to it.

[Psubs]

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

I would do this. Think it works for both teams

Copy that.

Not that I think White will be anything special but he can certainly be built up to be a solid backup PG since Flynn isn't living up to it.

For sure! I'd rent out Boucher for White and then maybe re-sign Boucher in the summer.

With the emergence of Ayo, when Lonzo and Caruso get back in March, the Bulls won't need White.

Banton not Flynn are reliable enough to even play 12 mins in the playoffs.

[PhilBlackson]

Of all the names being floated in these different trade threads I'd be most interested in Mo Bamba, Onyeka or NAW for a FRP or possibly (preferably imo) Jalen Smith for a couple of 2nds + Flynn + Boucher being the one I'm MOST interested in. I wouldn't waste a FRP on decent fits & talents like Bogdan, HBarnes etc because yes they could fit in nicely with this core right NOW but problem is they're likely gone as fast as they came. We get one more year of them, then they're likely gone considering FVV & GT's extensions...so waste of time despite this nice punch they'd provide in their short time here but that's not smart throwing away a 7+ year asset (in a FRP) for a SINGLE year (and less than a half) rental that doesn't put us over the top.

But guys like Bamba or NAW (Derrick White is another interesting name, not 100% on) are likely about as good of a player & upside as we'd likely find 16-18 in the draft (which seems like we're headed to -- I'd actually fight to make it a 2024 FRP in Bamba's case so we can add another young talent this year as well) and we'd have 4 years more of control & development with an age bracket that blends well between SB/OG/GT Jr while providing more upside as they all develop and grow during Fred + Pascal's primes.

I think Smith has the upside to potentially be worth a first BUT he's a UFA so I don't think the Suns will get that, so I'd easily throw a couple 2nds (+ Flynn + Boucher) and try to make that happen. We take a risk that he can be lost in FA but I really don't think he'd be too expensive to convince to stay ie/ what we might have had to offer Boucher. I think he can/would be substantially better than Boucher is over that same period of time and become one of the better contracts in the league off the bench.

Wouldn't even consider a 1st for any names like Gordon, Harris, Ross etc. Those are straight contract swaps with Goran + maybe a 2nd or two or forget it.

[nivisi9]

Ideal bench saving deal..

Spurs - Poeltl and McDermott

Raptors- combination some of these pieces:

-1st round pick 2022
-2nd round pick 2023
-Dragic
-Precious
-Boucher
-Flynn

possible?

[Gold Dragon]

Trade #1
TOR gets Gary Harris
ORL gets Goran Dragic + 2022 TOR 1st (top 4 protected)

Trade #2
TOR gets Trey Lyles
DET gets Malachi + Svi + 2023 TOR 2nd

Bench Rotation: Harris, Boucher, Lyles, Birch
Situational Bench: Precious, Banton, Champagnie, Yuta
Deep bench: DJ Wilson, Bonga, Johnson

[Rapsfan07]

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

I would do this. Think it works for both teams

Copy that.

Not that I think White will be anything special but he can certainly be built up to be a solid backup PG since Flynn isn't living up to it.

This is my thinking as well

[Rapsfan07]

Trade #1
TOR gets Gary Harris
ORL gets Goran Dragic + 2022 TOR 1st (top 4 protected)

Trade #2
TOR gets Trey Lyles
DET gets Malachi + Svi + 2023 TOR 2nd

Bench Rotation: Harris, Boucher, Lyles, Birch
Situational Bench: Precious, Banton, Champagnie, Yuta
Deep bench: DJ Wilson, Bonga, Johnson

Gonna pass on the first deal. Don't see the point in giving up such a lightly protected first for an expiring deal.

[Rapsfan07]

As far as Bamba goes, I'd do Dragic for Ross + Bamba.

We take on Ross' additional year as compensation for Bamba. This could get expensive depending on what it takes to retain Bamba in the summer but we get to keep our first rounder

[LBJKB24MJ23]

As far as Bamba goes, I'd do Dragic for Ross + Bamba.

We take on Ross' additional year as compensation for Bamba. This could get expensive depending on what it takes to retain Bamba in the summer but we get to keep our first rounder

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

[ciueli]

The trade that makes more sense for the Magic is Ross + Lopez for Dragic. A pure salary dump move that saves them Ross’ guaranteed money next season. Raptors get a bench shooter and backup center.

[Rapsfan07]

As far as Bamba goes, I'd do Dragic for Ross + Bamba.

We take on Ross' additional year as compensation for Bamba. This could get expensive depending on what it takes to retain Bamba in the summer but we get to keep our first rounder

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

As far as Bamba goes, I'd do Dragic for Ross + Bamba.

We take on Ross' additional year as compensation for Bamba. This could get expensive depending on what it takes to retain Bamba in the summer but we get to keep our first rounder

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

of course i would take the trade you said first - Dragic for Ross and Bamba, easily. if we can do that - Masai has done it again. Lowry into Bamba and Precious. Bamba could easily Boucher as well. in terms of a big man shooting 3s. don't know if anyone has that Boucher energy though.


i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

[PhilBlackson]

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players (certainly not giving a FRP for Harris on his own lool awful) and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

Harris or Ross, Harris is better because he's expiring