2023 Draft Discussion Part III

[Landomar]

I don't want anymore "we can teach him to shoot" type prospects. It's very rare for guys to develop into great shooters after getting in the league. People just remember the extreme exceptions. For ever Kawhi, there's 20 Michael Kidd Gilchrists

I haven't dove into the draft very much yet, are there any elite shooters in our range?

The best shooter available will probably be Jordan Hawkins. He has deep range, a quick release, and is an elite movement shooter. He's also a capable defender. The issue with Hawkins is that he projects to be a very good 3 and D role player, who will need to play with good passers who can get him the ball. I'm not sure if there's much ceiling beyond that.

Other elite shooters

Jett Howard - So bad on defense that we probably wouldn't consider him, but is an incredible shooter from all over the floor
Marcus Sasser - A college senior who kind of reminds me of Fred VanVleet from a size and shooting perspective.
Brandin Podziemski - His numbers would arguable be the best of anyone at our pick, and his shot variety is impressive.

[ATLTimekeeper]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

It's more about what's successful out of the draft. When you pay attention to that you don't need to just fall in love with clips of guys hitting stepbacks against kids. Everyone knows scorers end games. Scorers without defense end up on the bench or wiped out early in the playoffs, so finding the right ones is hard. It's easier to find good solid players that will just help your team win.

[Dalek]

It is weird but watching Michigan games for Bufkin I kind of get stuck on the upside of Howard.

All these combo guys like Bufkin and George are kind of bad passers and sort of small and not super athletic. Like it feels like trying to stuff them into primary position when they are not likely to be anything special in the NBA.

Howard is a 6'8 shooting guard with a positive assist to turnover ratio and can run pick and roll, can score the ball off movement, create for himself, or spot up. He has a Paul George type of handle at his size. He does get caught flat-footed on defense but from what I have seen he competes just takes bad angles. Basically he is fixable.

I mean as a plus sized SG with advance feel for the game, a NBA dad, how does he fail? If Toronto is committed to size why not him? All these combo guys will have to outcompete Dowtin Jr. and I am not convinced they are 100% better.

Do you think Jett can be a better shooting RJ Barrett? Or just like a Cam Reddish? Would you rate him in between Keegan and Kris Murray?

Zaire Wade couldn't make the NBA.

Zaire Wade isn't near 6'8 tho

I could get behind Jett Howard because of his size to skill ratio. You can hide a 6'8w ing player on defense easier than a small guard.

Anyone that ups the skill level and or shooting is a plus in my books. I do prefer players with size tho, pause

The size and skill are worth it. He is big and not slow like Kennard or McDermott. He could be at worst Tim Hardaway Jr. but he is so one dimensional.

[Psubs]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

I'd say that just need more players that shoot the 3 higher than 35% a la Otto Porter.

Cool to see Paul Reed start at C and put in 10pts and 15 rebs similar to Xavier Tillman. Jaylin developing a 3. Would still like to get a late pick for Trayce Jackson-Davis. He's a 6'9 beast of a player, that didn't go deep into the tourney because JHS sucks.

[Clutch0z24]

Kobe Bufkin gives me Cuttino Mobley vibes.

[Clutch0z24]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

It's more about what's successful out of the draft. When you pay attention to that you don't need to just fall in love with clips of guys hitting stepbacks against kids. Everyone knows scorers end games. Scorers without defense end up on the bench or wiped out early in the playoffs, so finding the right ones is hard. It's easier to find good solid players that will just help your team win.

What helps your team win is someone who can get you buckets when you need it....If its not your main player able to do it you at least need a few guys on your team who can do it....Maxey, Quickley , Brunson, Mitchell, Murray, DeRozan...You just need guys that are natural born offensive players and like i said we have like 1 or 2 of them on our whole team.... Can't win that way when some teams have 3-4 Bucket getters and we are struggling to have any counter punches...

Defenders with limited offensive upside or Raw offensive upside don't pan out alot.

[C_Money]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

It's more about what's successful out of the draft. When you pay attention to that you don't need to just fall in love with clips of guys hitting stepbacks against kids. Everyone knows scorers end games. Scorers without defense end up on the bench or wiped out early in the playoffs, so finding the right ones is hard. It's easier to find good solid players that will just help your team win.

This isn’t always true. I’m watching Malik Monk play good defence for the Kings in these playoffs. A lot of times it has to do with the system and the buy-in from the players.

Look at all the good defenders we had on the Raptors this year and how crap we were defensively most nights. Its a coaching/effort thing.

[Landomar]

I like Trayce Jackson-Davis in the late second round too. Would love to move off Boucher/Porter/Flynn to get him to play the bench 4

This guy is probably the safest pick in the draft. Trayce Jackson-Davis put up (probably) the best numbers in college, is a great athlete, and has an obvious NBA role. His floor is to be an energy big along the lines of Dwight Powell or Brandon Clarke, perhaps with a side of Mason Plumlee. Does he have potential to be more than that? Who knows. I fully expect a good team to take him late in the first round, though, and plug him into their rotation.

[C_Money]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

I'd say that just need more players that shoot the 3 higher than 35% a la Otto Porter.

Cool to see Paul Reed start at C and put in 10pts and 15 rebs similar to Xavier Tillman. Jaylin developing a 3. Would still like to get a late pick for Trayce Jackson-Davis. He's a 6'9 beast of a player, that didn't go deep into the tourney because JHS sucks.

We seriously lack ball handling as well. Need more guys that can dribble and attack the basket.

[Psubs]

I like Trayce Jackson-Davis in the late second round too. Would love to move off Boucher/Porter/Flynn to get him to play the bench 4

This guy is probably the safest pick in the draft. Trayce Jackson-Davis put up (probably) the best numbers in college, is a great athlete, and has an obvious NBA role. His floor is to be an energy big along the lines of Dwight Powell or Brandon Clarke, perhaps with a side of Mason Plumlee. Does he have potential to be more than that? Who knows. I fully expect a good team to take him late in the first round, though, and plug him into their rotation.

I think he's in between Antonio Davis and Dale Davis with more passing skills. He averaged more assists than JHS with a slightly better A/T.

He played well vs Edey and Dickinson, so can play C in the NBA. I think he could be at least as good as Xavier Tillman, Jaylin Williams and Dwight Powell.

[Psubs]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

I'd say that just need more players that shoot the 3 higher than 35% a la Otto Porter.

Cool to see Paul Reed start at C and put in 10pts and 15 rebs similar to Xavier Tillman. Jaylin developing a 3. Would still like to get a late pick for Trayce Jackson-Davis. He's a 6'9 beast of a player, that didn't go deep into the tourney because JHS sucks.

We seriously lack ball handling as well. Need more guys that can dribble and attack the basket.

Ya, he'd be a late 1st / early 2nd if we traded Boucher/Flynn/Otto/Precious etc.

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@4:24 a new clip I haven't seen, he gets bumped from behind and bumps into the other defender and hits the floater.

He's not as nimble as Bilal but the power and creation is nice! On offense I see OG with Diaw passing. I can see him being an good enough defender as he's big but slides over and has the length and good enough hops to block some shots.

I like that he finishes with contact. Finishes with his left. Tries to dunk on people. Makes nifty no-look passes but they look more needed than Scottie's. He seems to make the right passes and not as bail outs; just unselfish creator. His passing looks like Magic Johnson vision more than Scottie. Also, range beyond the NBA 3pt line already.

[Dalek]

High school mix tapes show off the raw athleticism of Amari Bailey:

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Unlike the other combos I have no doubt he can hang athletically in the NBA. Playing at UCLA behind seniors hurt him but he showed out after Clark got hurt. Last 6 games: 17pts on 65.6 TS%, 71% at the rim, 43% from midrange, 47 3P% (7-15), 82 FT%

[ATLTimekeeper]

This board seems to fall in love with Defenders who have limited offensive skills....This is our issue we have too many of these guys on the team....We need natural bucket getters on the team since we have very few of them.

It's more about what's successful out of the draft. When you pay attention to that you don't need to just fall in love with clips of guys hitting stepbacks against kids. Everyone knows scorers end games. Scorers without defense end up on the bench or wiped out early in the playoffs, so finding the right ones is hard. It's easier to find good solid players that will just help your team win.

This isn’t always true. I’m watching Malik Monk play good defence for the Kings in these playoffs. A lot of times it has to do with the system and the buy-in from the players.

Look at all the good defenders we had on the Raptors this year and how crap we were defensively most nights. Its a coaching/effort thing.

The Kings had like the 24th ranked defense, well below the Raptors. I'd be surprised if they ended up repping the West. I'm still not even confident they can win round 1. Anyone can D up on occasion, but 4 rounds is a grind.

But since we're talking draft, you'd be happy spending #13 on Malik Monk, a bench player? I'd rather sign him for 9 million, like the Kings did.

[HumbleRen]

It's more about what's successful out of the draft. When you pay attention to that you don't need to just fall in love with clips of guys hitting stepbacks against kids. Everyone knows scorers end games. Scorers without defense end up on the bench or wiped out early in the playoffs, so finding the right ones is hard. It's easier to find good solid players that will just help your team win.

This isn’t always true. I’m watching Malik Monk play good defence for the Kings in these playoffs. A lot of times it has to do with the system and the buy-in from the players.

Look at all the good defenders we had on the Raptors this year and how crap we were defensively most nights. Its a coaching/effort thing.

The Kings had like the 24th ranked defense, well below the Raptors. I'd be surprised if they ended up repping the West. I'm still not even confident they can win round 1. Anyone can D up on occasion, but 4 rounds is a grind.

But since we're talking draft, you'd be happy spending #13 on Malik Monk, a bench player? I'd rather sign him for 9 million, like the Kings did.

If the 13th pick ends up being like Malik Monk then that means you nailed your draft pick lol.

That’s a 10 year player.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

This isn’t always true. I’m watching Malik Monk play good defence for the Kings in these playoffs. A lot of times it has to do with the system and the buy-in from the players.

Look at all the good defenders we had on the Raptors this year and how crap we were defensively most nights. Its a coaching/effort thing.

The Kings had like the 24th ranked defense, well below the Raptors. I'd be surprised if they ended up repping the West. I'm still not even confident they can win round 1. Anyone can D up on occasion, but 4 rounds is a grind.

But since we're talking draft, you'd be happy spending #13 on Malik Monk, a bench player? I'd rather sign him for 9 million, like the Kings did.

If the 13th pick ends up being like Malik Monk then that means you nailed your draft pick lol.

That’s a 10 year player.

Then let's just take Marcus Sasser at 13 and call it a day because there is almost 0 chance he's not a 10 year player barring serious injury.

[HumbleRen]

The Kings had like the 24th ranked defense, well below the Raptors. I'd be surprised if they ended up repping the West. I'm still not even confident they can win round 1. Anyone can D up on occasion, but 4 rounds is a grind.

But since we're talking draft, you'd be happy spending #13 on Malik Monk, a bench player? I'd rather sign him for 9 million, like the Kings did.

If the 13th pick ends up being like Malik Monk then that means you nailed your draft pick lol.

That’s a 10 year player.

Then let's just take Marcus Sasser at 13 and call it a day because there is almost 0 chance he's not a 10 year player barring serious injury.

I don't care who they draft, I just want them to be a competent scorer or can shoot from 3.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If the 13th pick ends up being like Malik Monk then that means you nailed your draft pick lol.

That’s a 10 year player.

Then let's just take Marcus Sasser at 13 and call it a day because there is almost 0 chance he's not a 10 year player barring serious injury.

I don't care who they draft, I just want them to be a competent scorer or can shoot from 3.

In that case we can ignore defense and pick Sensabaugh

[HumbleRen]

Then let's just take Marcus Sasser at 13 and call it a day because there is almost 0 chance he's not a 10 year player barring serious injury.

I don't care who they draft, I just want them to be a competent scorer or can shoot from 3.

In that case we can ignore defense and pick Sensabaugh

if his tough shot making ability can translate to the nba game then why not

[BoyzNTheHood]

At a certain point we need to make a decision. Masai knows he needs shooters so how do you move forward with 3 non-shooters in your starting lineup? He seems attached to all 3 of Scottie, Pascal, and Jak.

So, do you ask someone to go to the bench? Who would that be? Jak? That seems pretty pointless judging by how much he changed our teams success. That leaves us with either Scottie or Pascal. Do you tell your star to sit? Or your up and coming star?

The thing is, your best guys end up closing out the game either way. So you have no choice but to finish the game with all 3 non shooters in there.

Therefore, in my opinion, it’s either Pascal finally adds a 35%+ three point shot, or you move on from him.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I don't care who they draft, I just want them to be a competent scorer or can shoot from 3.

In that case we can ignore defense and pick Sensabaugh

if his tough shot making ability can translate to the nba game then why not

I’m not opposed to it. I just wish management mixed things up a bit. Why can’t we teach positional defense? We don’t need guys to be lockdown defenders. We just need them to be in the right spots when it matters.