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Re: Woj: Raptors begin wide ranging coaching search. 

Post#1901 » by Spates » Mon May 29, 2023 4:37 pm

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Yeah, after he pulled out of the Bucks coaching race, I was certain he was a lock for the 76ers or Suns job.


He didnt pull out. He was third. Klutch just trying to spin

So much spin who knows what's real. It's amusing though, for sure. He pulls out of Milwaukee when they lean Griffin, and as Kevin Young to PHX rumors gain traction Philly emerges as his preferred destination.
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Post#1902 » by WaltFrazier » Mon May 29, 2023 4:38 pm

Jordi was interviewed on zoom when the Kings were still in playoffs, correct? And then in person after they were eliminated. They've been out of the layoffs a while now. If he is the choice, what is the holdup?
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Post#1903 » by douggood » Mon May 29, 2023 4:42 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Jordi was interviewed on zoom when the Kings were still in playoffs, correct? And then in person after they were eliminated. They've been out of the layoffs a while now. If he is the choice, what is the holdup?

he might not be the choice then.
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Post#1904 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon May 29, 2023 4:53 pm

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Yeah, after he pulled out of the Bucks coaching race, I was certain he was a lock for the 76ers or Suns job.


He didnt pull out. He was third. Klutch just trying to spin

So much spin who knows what's real. It's amusing though, for sure. He pulls out of Milwaukee when they lean Griffin, and as Kevin Young to PHX rumors gain traction Philly emerges as his preferred destination.


Nurse pulled out knowing he wasn’t getting it. He met with giannis. Giannis already didnt like him. Griffin was always getting it from a week ago reports said. So what did he really pull out of? Lol.
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Post#1905 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm

douggood wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:Jordi was interviewed on zoom when the Kings were still in playoffs, correct? And then in person after they were eliminated. They've been out of the layoffs a while now. If he is the choice, what is the holdup?

he might not be the choice then.


Or just giving all their favourites a chance at a 2nd interview, which may have not been possible previously.
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Post#1906 » by Spates » Mon May 29, 2023 4:59 pm

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He didnt pull out. He was third. Klutch just trying to spin

So much spin who knows what's real. It's amusing though, for sure. He pulls out of Milwaukee when they lean Griffin, and as Kevin Young to PHX rumors gain traction Philly emerges as his preferred destination.


Nurse pulled out knowing he wasn’t getting it. He met with giannis. Giannis already didnt like him. Griffin was always getting it from a week ago reports said. So what did he really pull out of? Lol.

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Post#1907 » by InfraRedshaw » Mon May 29, 2023 5:04 pm

so we saying NN quit on the bucks just like he quit on us or? :/
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Post#1908 » by Los_29 » Mon May 29, 2023 5:05 pm

traps#10 wrote:
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Scottie Barnes can be used like Jokic, he should be the initiator of the offense utilizing his vision, passing ability and finishing skills down low.


Can we stop with the Jokic comparisons? That's just creating unrealistic expectations for a guy that doesn't have the elite court vision and passing ability that the best player in the league does.

If we run our offense through Scottie as the primary playmaker, we're gonna have a bad time. A more reasonable comparison is Sabonis who is the secondary playmaker to Fox.


And who’s the primary playmaker? FVV? Lmao


He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.
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Post#1909 » by Rumi » Mon May 29, 2023 5:13 pm

I think the guy they want is currently still playing so I'm leaning on Scariolo, Quinn or Adelman, or a darkhorse being Coach Spoelstra if he's let go if the Heat choke which I would absolutely love.
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Post#1910 » by Spates » Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

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traps#10 wrote:
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Can we stop with the Jokic comparisons? That's just creating unrealistic expectations for a guy that doesn't have the elite court vision and passing ability that the best player in the league does.

If we run our offense through Scottie as the primary playmaker, we're gonna have a bad time. A more reasonable comparison is Sabonis who is the secondary playmaker to Fox.


And who’s the primary playmaker? FVV? Lmao


He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.


Gabe Vincent has been the starting PG for Miami. Positions don't matter. Scottie is a growing playmaker, Fred is in his prime. Onward march. Make room for growth
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Post#1911 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon May 29, 2023 5:21 pm

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Los_29 wrote:
traps#10 wrote:
And who’s the primary playmaker? FVV? Lmao


He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.


Gabe Vincent has been the starting PG for Miami. Positions don't matter. Scottie is a growing playmaker, Fred is in his prime. Onward march. Make room for growth


What position do you think Vincent plays? He's a PG, so his position does matter. He's not the primary option, but he runs a lot of PnR for them. The Heat spam PnR all game, through Butler, Vincent and Lowry. All three can hit pull-up jumpers off a screen. That's the skill that Scottie hasn't shown yet, so if Fred does go there needs to be 1) a leap of faith that Scottie goes from terrible to functional in the PnR or 2) there's a replacement guard.
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Post#1912 » by Son Goku 25 » Mon May 29, 2023 5:22 pm

I doubt heat fire Spolstra but I'm sure raps would take him
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Post#1913 » by Boardbreaker » Mon May 29, 2023 5:23 pm

Spates wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
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And who’s the primary playmaker? FVV? Lmao


He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.


Gabe Vincent has been the starting PG for Miami. Positions don't matter. Scottie is a growing playmaker, Fred is in his prime. Onward march. Make room for growth

Speaking of Vincent I would love if we could somehow get him with the mle but just not sure how much he’ll command. If Jordi is the coach there’s a connection there with the Nigerian national team.
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Post#1914 » by Raps in 4 » Mon May 29, 2023 5:25 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Spates wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
He didnt pull out. He was third. Klutch just trying to spin

So much spin who knows what's real. It's amusing though, for sure. He pulls out of Milwaukee when they lean Griffin, and as Kevin Young to PHX rumors gain traction Philly emerges as his preferred destination.


Nurse pulled out knowing he wasn’t getting it. He met with giannis. Giannis already didnt like him. Griffin was always getting it from a week ago reports said. So what did he really pull out of? Lol.


I wonder how Embiid would feel about getting coached by Nurse. We know already that he doesn't like him.

But also, I don't think Morey gives a **** how Embiid feels. :lol:
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Post#1915 » by Spates » Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm

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He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.


Gabe Vincent has been the starting PG for Miami. Positions don't matter. Scottie is a growing playmaker, Fred is in his prime. Onward march. Make room for growth


What position do you think Vincent plays? He's a PG, so his position does matter. He's not the primary option, but he runs a lot of PnR for them. The Heat spam PnR all game, through Butler, Vincent and Lowry. All three can hit pull-up jumpers off a screen. That's the skill that Scottie hasn't shown yet, so if Fred does go there needs to be 1) a leap of faith that Scottie goes from terrible to functional in the PnR or 2) there's a replacement guard.

You've got some exemplary functional fixedness. Derek Fisher and Steve Kerr are championship winning starting PGs. Positions don't matter. Role, balance, and offensive structure matters most. Just because PGs tend to run the pnr doesn't mean that they have to run the pnr.

If Scottie can't do it, don't force it. Short roll, elbow hub. Give Dowtinn a screen to get downhill, he's fast and will bring help if he can figure out players going under the screen. Note that I'm using Dowtin as an example not because he's a PG but because he can handle and he's quick. Ball control and speed is the attribute that guards tend to have that allows them to be playmakers.

Truly didn't know Gabe was a PG but that doesn't refute my point.
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Post#1916 » by Childs » Mon May 29, 2023 5:45 pm

Pretty sure we have a coach a week before the draft.
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Post#1917 » by Dalek » Mon May 29, 2023 5:45 pm

Another option that is less talked about is Kevin Young from the Suns. He is a guy in a holding pattern as Isbia decides on him or Nurse, based on what has been reported. This is a good little backgrounder on Young:



Kevin Young:
-Big into offensive rebounding that was a shift for the Suns which he suggested
-Free flowing offense with next action ideas if primary option is taken away
-Almost 10 years of experience in G-League (in 2011, Young replaced Nick Nurse as head coach of the Iowa Energy)
-Assistant coach to Doc Rivers and Monty Williams

“One, you have to have an appropriate edge to be the leader of an NBA locker room,’’ Lange said. “He has it. It’s not over the top. It goes actually more with humility. But he is not afraid of the confrontation or the moment or the conversation.

“Two, he’s incredibly well-studied. A guy like KD or Book will respect the fact that his strategies and tactics are rooted in preparation.

“Three, he understands the NBA’s a player’s league and above that, a superstar’s league. At least from an offensive standpoint, he’s going to be creative to whatever that person’s unique skill sets are. His philosophy will be built around their skill sets, not the other way around. And at the same point, he’ll make sure that what he has is appropriate for the rest of the team.”

https://theathletic.com/4551012/2023/05/25/kevin-young-suns-head-coach/?amp=1

He isn't a flashy hirer, but he has a long coaching resume and is well-respected at the Suns to be a HC finalist.
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Post#1918 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Mon May 29, 2023 5:48 pm

David Adelman anyone?
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Post#1919 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon May 29, 2023 5:53 pm

Dalek wrote:Another option that is less talked about is Kevin Young from the Suns. He is a guy in a holding pattern as Isbia decides on him or Nurse, based on what has been reported. This is a good little backgrounder on Young:



Kevin Young:
-Big into offensive rebounding that was a shift for the Suns which he suggested
-Free flowing offense with next action ideas if primary option is taken away
-Almost 10 years of experience in G-League (in 2011, Young replaced Nick Nurse as head coach of the Iowa Energy)
-Assistant coach to Doc Rivers and Monty Williams

“One, you have to have an appropriate edge to be the leader of an NBA locker room,’’ Lange said. “He has it. It’s not over the top. It goes actually more with humility. But he is not afraid of the confrontation or the moment or the conversation.

“Two, he’s incredibly well-studied. A guy like KD or Book will respect the fact that his strategies and tactics are rooted in preparation.

“Three, he understands the NBA’s a player’s league and above that, a superstar’s league. At least from an offensive standpoint, he’s going to be creative to whatever that person’s unique skill sets are. His philosophy will be built around their skill sets, not the other way around. And at the same point, he’ll make sure that what he has is appropriate for the rest of the team.”

https://theathletic.com/4551012/2023/05/25/kevin-young-suns-head-coach/?amp=1

He isn't a flashy hirer, but he has a long coaching resume and is well-respected at the Suns to be a HC finalist.


Yeah Raps could be waiting for Phoenix to hire. If Jordi, then young. If Young, then Jordi.

Or could be Adelman or Quinn.

Or Sergio.

If I keep throwing names then I can say, “See! I told ya!”
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Post#1920 » by Spates » Mon May 29, 2023 5:53 pm

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He's certainly more effective than Scottie at this point. Pascal is as well. If Fred leaves, we will desperately need to replace him with another point guard who can manage the offense. If not, I think this team will be in serious trouble.


Gabe Vincent has been the starting PG for Miami. Positions don't matter. Scottie is a growing playmaker, Fred is in his prime. Onward march. Make room for growth

Speaking of Vincent I would love if we could somehow get him with the mle but just not sure how much he’ll command. If Jordi is the coach there’s a connection there with the Nigerian national team.

Yeah, he's nice. I'm pro rebuild so I wouldn't go in that direction but I see the appeal. If the org decides to compete next year and has an offense vision I'm sure Gabe would be a fantastic addition with a new head coach.

I'm excited to potentially see what someone like Jordi could get out of Precious. Organize him, help him understand his strengths, and grow out from a strong base.

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