Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[will]

It's true. He is quite entertaining, no doubt about that. Lots of potential there.

But the chance of him becoming even Siakam-level player is extremely low, nevermind a bonafide superstar/perennial all-star. Toronto would be moving an all-star in his prime who plays one of the most important positions in the game today.

Now, Mitchell is younger and was locked into a long term deal when he was dealt but assuming Pascal agrees to sign an extension with Portland (which I imagine would be a foregone conclusion if he is traded) then I think Toronto should be getting back a little less than he did.

Son has elite potential. Potential. No guarantees, of course.

Norm was drafted as a 22 year old. Barely played 20 minutes per game the first 4 seasons of his NBA career, until he was 26.

Sharpe could be a franchise player on a max deal by age 26. What he brings to the table purely from a skills and physical standpoint is way more suited to the modern game today.

What Sharpe has demonstrated during the run of 20 something games at the end of the season is worth more than what Norm has and will ever offer.

Again, it's early days, but you can bet that any executive would take Sharpe over Norm's 'peak' any day.

Regarding Pascal, it's not even a fair comparison. He is in his prime and will command a stupid amount per year after putting up numbers on a poor poor Raptors squad, eating into a large part of the cap. The question comes down to paying a guy like that elite money for non-elite production as a Robin, or hold onto a guy like Sharpe who costs less, is 9 years younger and has the potential of being better than Pascal?

Potential is valued greatly in pro sports.

Okay, who are you, and what happened to Will? But, seriously, good points. The challenge, of course, is holding on to potential like Sharpe's in the face of the pressure to win now.

This is why Masai and Bobby get paid to do what they do, and I post on RealGM and keep getting banned.

Win now, or take Ls to really make a legitimate run going forward?

Regardless, people are still going to watch the Raptors at the ACC and buy merch.

[will]

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Although I strongly advocating moving him, ngl I will feel some sort of way if it happens. Love the guy and his story.

But I cheer for the name on the front....

The club is always greater than the individual player.

Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't no fool moving on from his players for the greater good of Manchester United Football Club.

[JRoy]

If the high end is Lavine, you should trade him. What has Lavine done to warrant being unavailable? Nothing.

Yeah if the highe end is a player worse than Siakam you might as well just grab Siakam who fits with your current superstar

No.

We should continue to draft lotto talent around him and build a team from the ground up.

[JRoy]

Son has elite potential. Potential. No guarantees, of course.

Norm was drafted as a 22 year old. Barely played 20 minutes per game the first 4 seasons of his NBA career, until he was 26.

Sharpe could be a franchise player on a max deal by age 26. What he brings to the table purely from a skills and physical standpoint is way more suited to the modern game today.

What Sharpe has demonstrated during the run of 20 something games at the end of the season is worth more than what Norm has and will ever offer.

Again, it's early days, but you can bet that any executive would take Sharpe over Norm's 'peak' any day.

Regarding Pascal, it's not even a fair comparison. He is in his prime and will command a stupid amount per year after putting up numbers on a poor poor Raptors squad, eating into a large part of the cap. The question comes down to paying a guy like that elite money for non-elite production as a Robin, or hold onto a guy like Sharpe who costs less, is 9 years younger and has the potential of being better than Pascal?

Potential is valued greatly in pro sports.

Okay, who are you, and what happened to Will? But, seriously, good points. The challenge, of course, is holding on to potential like Sharpe's in the face of the pressure to win now.

This is why Masai and Bobby get paid to do what they do, and I post on RealGM and keep getting banned.

Win now, or take Ls to really make a legitimate run going forward?

Regardless, people are still going to watch the Raptors at the ACC and buy merch.

I have been banned twice on the MIL board, most recently for voicing dissent that ORL would pay 5 FRP including 3 lotto picks for Jrue Holliday. I will not be going back to that echo chamber.

I am glad to see that the TOR board encourages vigorous, honest debate.

[MiamiSPX]

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Although I strongly advocating moving him, ngl I will feel some sort of way if it happens. Love the guy and his story.

But I cheer for the name on the front....

The club is always greater than the individual player.

Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't no fool moving on from his players for the greater good of Manchester United Football Club.

Another example is Bill Belichek. He would trade his mother if he felt the value proposition wasn't there.

[ItsDanger]

If the high end is Lavine, you should trade him. What has Lavine done to warrant being unavailable? Nothing.

Yeah if the highe end is a player worse than Siakam you might as well just grab Siakam who fits with your current superstar

No.

We should continue to draft lotto talent around him and build a team from the ground up.

Sharpe will want to leave in 6 years at this rate. If not sooner.

[will]

Okay, who are you, and what happened to Will? But, seriously, good points. The challenge, of course, is holding on to potential like Sharpe's in the face of the pressure to win now.

This is why Masai and Bobby get paid to do what they do, and I post on RealGM and keep getting banned.

Win now, or take Ls to really make a legitimate run going forward?

Regardless, people are still going to watch the Raptors at the ACC and buy merch.

I have been banned twice on the MIL board, most recently for voicing dissent that ORL would pay 5 FRP including 3 lotto picks for Jrue Holliday. I will not be going back to that echo chamber.

I am glad to see that the TOR board encourages vigorous, honest debate.

Ayooo

Paws to vigorous.

[will]

Although I strongly advocating moving him, ngl I will feel some sort of way if it happens. Love the guy and his story.

But I cheer for the name on the front....

The club is always greater than the individual player.

Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't no fool moving on from his players for the greater good of Manchester United Football Club.

Another example is Bill Belichek. He would trade his mother if he felt the value proposition wasn't there.

Of course he would.

He didn't see no value proposition in having sleeves on his team issued hoodie!!!!

[TravisScott55]

Show me the quote.

No Blazer fan ever said that and you know it.

POR took the risk drafting him and he has a chance to be a star. It would be a mistake to trade him for any realistic trade.

Reading comprehension my friend, I said Blazer fans act like he's prime D Wade.

Saying you would only trade Sharpe for Giannis or Embiid is overrating the dude nasty, and I am rooting for the guy as he's Canadian but you guys are talking egregious.

You posted Blazer fans act like he is prime D Wade.

We won’t donate him for TOR guys who will do nothing to change the teams trajectory.

I never thought Toronto was getting him first of all lol. Also thinking he's only worth a recent MVP is asinine.

[JRoy]

Yeah if the highe end is a player worse than Siakam you might as well just grab Siakam who fits with your current superstar

No.

We should continue to draft lotto talent around him and build a team from the ground up.

Sharpe will want to leave in 6 years at this rate. If not sooner.

?

[JRoy]

Yeah it really is not that crazy of a take to say that Sharpe has a better chance of being Powell than a superstar. Such a small % of people become superstars and for some reason this board thinks every young player is going to become one.

Powell peaked as a 20/3/2 60TS% kind of guy with meh defense who IMO is kind of underrated as he has constantly been on good teams and has been relegated to bench gunner. I would bet if you looked at guys who had Sharpes rookie season more often than not Powell it about the average result. Some guys will be studs, some guys will be out of the league, and the vast majority end up as solid starter / really good backup material.

Low end JR Smith (starter on championship team but questionable intangibles, never maximized his potential)

High end Zach Lavine (all star, Olympian etc, probably 2nd best player on championship team though he hasn’t had that shot yet)

Low end Gerald Green

And yet TOR covets him for some reason?

Why is that, do you suppose?

[JRoy]

Reading comprehension my friend, I said Blazer fans act like he's prime D Wade.

Saying you would only trade Sharpe for Giannis or Embiid is overrating the dude nasty, and I am rooting for the guy as he's Canadian but you guys are talking egregious.

You posted Blazer fans act like he is prime D Wade.

We won’t donate him for TOR guys who will do nothing to change the teams trajectory.

I never thought Toronto was getting him first of all lol. Also thinking he's only worth a recent MVP is asinine.

Who thinks he’s only worth a recent MVP?

[Bruin]

No.

We should continue to draft lotto talent around him and build a team from the ground up.

Sharpe will want to leave in 6 years at this rate. If not sooner.

?

Not every player is gonna have the patience and loyalty to stick with bad management like Dame

[YogurtProducer]

JRoy what are you doing man... you just jump around board to board arguing with other fanbases that are thinking of trades with your team? No one cares if you personally would not trade Sharpe or #3 - your FO looks like they will. Go complain to Blazers fans instead of acting like the authority on trades

[HumbleRen]

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[Sandman88]

Low end JR Smith (starter on championship team but questionable intangibles, never maximized his potential)

High end Zach Lavine (all star, Olympian etc, probably 2nd best player on championship team though he hasn’t had that shot yet)

Low end Gerald Green

And yet TOR covets him for some reason?

Why is that, do you suppose?

Where is it reported that Toronto covets him? Aside from a few people on here who think he has potential. He was apparently on the table for OG before he was drafted and the raps said no.

[HumbleRen]

Low end JR Smith (starter on championship team but questionable intangibles, never maximized his potential)

High end Zach Lavine (all star, Olympian etc, probably 2nd best player on championship team though he hasn’t had that shot yet)

Low end Gerald Green

And yet TOR covets him for some reason?

Why is that, do you suppose?

Canadian and can jump high.

It don’t take much to impress us after watching FVV and Malachi play basketball for us.

[Fitz303]

JRoy what are you doing man... you just jump around board to board arguing with other fanbases that are thinking of trades with your team? No one cares if you personally would not trade Sharpe or #3 - your FO looks like they will. Go complain to Blazers fans instead of acting like the authority on trades

Only thing I'm going to jump in on with this fun little back and forth JRoy has going with all of you is, the bolded part is inaccurate. The Blazers have said that Sharpe is off the table. This has been known locally for quite a while, and was reported nationally about a week ago (can't remember who reported it off hand). While it is likely that Portland will trade the #3 pick (and some of us non JRoy Blazers fans are looking forward to hopefully going all in with Jaylen Brown or Mikal Bridges), they are not trading Shaedon Sharpe.

[JRoy]

Low end Gerald Green

And yet TOR covets him for some reason?

Why is that, do you suppose?

Canadian and can jump high.

It don’t take much to impress us after watching FVV and Malachi play basketball for us.

Fair enough lol

[JRoy]

JRoy what are you doing man... you just jump around board to board arguing with other fanbases that are thinking of trades with your team? No one cares if you personally would not trade Sharpe or #3 - your FO looks like they will. Go complain to Blazers fans instead of acting like the authority on trades

Kinda.

And…No.