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Re: 2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0 

Post#1901 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:34 pm

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.


I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.


They have $27m in tax room to keep those guys. They don’t need to dump Smart.


Yeah, Aldama would be a reasonable pickup for us with the MLE, but Memphis can match that and let Laravia go, or maybe even keep both. And Laravia's minutes can go to Vince Williams JR and GG Jackson in the future. Somehow Jaren Jackson makes only 23M next year? Their cap sheet is somehow not that bad, going forward, incredible GM work there really. I guess Rich Cho is the #2 there? He should probably get another crack at GMing somewhere if the Kaminsky pick was an MJ directive.
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Post#1902 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:39 pm

Skybox wrote:Is Davion an NBA player? Is he still a fierce POA defender? Can he run point somewhat efficiently with a second unit?

Kind of vanished off my radar post-draft.


Yes, Yes, No.

He probably needs to be very low usage and you hope he shoots the 3 like he did last year and not this year. Looking at playoff team rosters, I like him less on a defensively strong team like Orlando and more on Milwaukee, Miami, Dallas and the Lakers, were they might be drawing dead in terms of options to slow down a PG giving them 30+ a night in a playoff series and Mitchell can make things tougher for that guy for 15-20 minutes a night and you run the offence through bigger guys during those minutes, pray he hits 35% from 3.
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Post#1903 » by bluerap23 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:09 pm

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My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

we also need to stop posting trades to get rui or vincent back. they're both terrible, overpaid players that we don't need


This is about the 2 picks not about Rui
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Post#1904 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Thu Jan 2, 2025 1:24 am

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Spida888 wrote:My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

we also need to stop posting trades to get rui or vincent back. they're both terrible, overpaid players that we don't need


This is about the 2 picks not about Rui

30M in dead cap space for 2 frp in the distant futures. the lakers never stay bad for long because they're a favorable destination for stars. its just a bad trade overall.
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Post#1905 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 2, 2025 3:33 am

Zach Edey and Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick (Mem)
For
Poeltl, Davion Mitchell and 2025 2nd pick Portland

Flip Marcus Smart to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 2nd pick. With Smart, they can decline Rozier's team option.

Boucher and the 2nd pick from Miami for PJ Tucker and 2025 OKC 1st pick. Maybe they re-sign Boucher for $5 million per year?

Memphis pick: Tomislav
OKC pick: Zvonimir

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick/Jakobe - Brown?
SF Barrett - Ochai - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Tomislav - Chomche
C Edey - Tomislav/Zvonimir

Oh ya, and our own 1st pick
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Post#1906 » by Raptorfan2012 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 3:55 am

Psubs wrote:Zach Edey and Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick (Mem)
For
Poeltl, Davion Mitchell and 2025 2nd pick Portland

Flip Marcus Smart to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 2nd pick. With Smart, they can decline Rozier's team option.

Boucher and the 2nd pick from Miami for PJ Tucker and 2025 OKC 1st pick. Maybe they re-sign Boucher for $5 million per year?

Memphis pick: Tomislav
OKC pick: Zvonimir

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick/Jakobe - Brown?
SF Barrett - Ochai - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Tomislav - Chomche
C Edey - Tomislav/Zvonimir

Oh ya, and our own 1st pick


I like it but I don’t think the Grizz are interested in trading Eddy.
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Post#1907 » by Thaddy » Thu Jan 2, 2025 7:07 am

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
Psubs wrote:Zach Edey and Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick (Mem)
For
Poeltl, Davion Mitchell and 2025 2nd pick Portland

Flip Marcus Smart to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 2nd pick. With Smart, they can decline Rozier's team option.

Boucher and the 2nd pick from Miami for PJ Tucker and 2025 OKC 1st pick. Maybe they re-sign Boucher for $5 million per year?

Memphis pick: Tomislav
OKC pick: Zvonimir

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick/Jakobe - Brown?
SF Barrett - Ochai - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Tomislav - Chomche
C Edey - Tomislav/Zvonimir

Oh ya, and our own 1st pick


I like it but I don’t think the Grizz are interested in trading Eddy.

That's a crazy good trade for us. The Grizz won't give up Edey. We are better off keeping Poeltl. The injuries seem to be random and we weren't planning to tank. We should start looking at the 10-15 range in the draft. I have a feeling we will probably end up taking Queen or Maluach.
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Post#1908 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:29 pm

Thaddy wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:
Psubs wrote:Zach Edey and Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick (Mem)
For
Poeltl, Davion Mitchell and 2025 2nd pick Portland

Flip Marcus Smart to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 2nd pick. With Smart, they can decline Rozier's team option.

Boucher and the 2nd pick from Miami for PJ Tucker and 2025 OKC 1st pick. Maybe they re-sign Boucher for $5 million per year?

Memphis pick: Tomislav
OKC pick: Zvonimir

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick/Jakobe - Brown?
SF Barrett - Ochai - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Tomislav - Chomche
C Edey - Tomislav/Zvonimir

Oh ya, and our own 1st pick


I like it but I don’t think the Grizz are interested in trading Eddy.

That's a crazy good trade for us. The Grizz won't give up Edey. We are better off keeping Poeltl. The injuries seem to be random and we weren't planning to tank. We should start looking at the 10-15 range in the draft. I have a feeling we will probably end up taking Queen or Maluach.


No to Maluach when you can get the Ivisic's late 1st / early 2nd. Get a more skilled forward.

Queen is already sophomore aged and I feel like he might struggle against NBA size as he's only going to be a C. I feel like he'll be like Nikola Vucevic level with maybe more blocks but less 3pt shooting.


How many healthy seasons does Ja Morant have? I think they need to go all-in.

Zach Edey and Marcus Smart and 2025 2nd pick (Hou)
For
Poeltl and Davion Mitchell (frees up $6 million but also a backup guard for this run)

Boucher and 2025 2nd pick (Hou) for PJ Tucker and 2025 OKC 1st pick. Maybe they re-sign Boucher for $5 million per year?

OKC 1st pick: Tomislav
Portland 2nd pick: Zvonimir

PG IQ - Smart/Shead
SG Dick/Jakobe - Brown?
SF Barrett - Ochai - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Tomislav - Chomche
C Edey - Tomislav/Zvonimir

Oh ya, and our own 1st pick
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Post#1909 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:38 pm

I wonder if Poeltl and Ochai would be enough for Edey, Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick?
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Post#1910 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:51 pm

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:we also need to stop posting trades to get rui or vincent back. they're both terrible, overpaid players that we don't need


This is about the 2 picks not about Rui

30M in dead cap space for 2 frp in the distant futures. the lakers never stay bad for long because they're a favorable destination for stars. its just a bad trade overall.

The Lakers in the last eleven seasons have won more than 50 games once and it was the year they won the championship.

They have missed the playoffs 7/11 seasons.
They were the 7th seed in 3/11 seasons.
They won the 'ship in the 11th season.

The current iteration of the Lakers is not the same Lakers we grew up with. 2029 is only 4 years away. They already don't own their 2025 and 2027 1sts so if they traded us 2029 and 2031 they would not even have draft capital.

It is a different league. Teams like LAL cant just buy rings anymore.
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Post#1911 » by Spida888 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:20 pm

Psubs wrote:I wonder if Poeltl and Ochai would be enough for Edey, Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick?

I don't think MEM is looking to make some big trades right now, maybe just around the fringes. They're playing pretty well as is, and still have a pretty young team.

Marcus Smart can be helpful to them in the playoffs, so they're probably not looking to trade him.

Edey will be another good young piece for them, but if they do make an Edey-Poeltl swap, it might be something like Poeltl for Edey + Clarke + draft compensation for taking on Clarke's long term money.
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Post#1912 » by Johnston » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:05 pm

Spida888 wrote:
Psubs wrote:I wonder if Poeltl and Ochai would be enough for Edey, Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick?

I don't think MEM is looking to make some big trades right now, maybe just around the fringes. They're playing pretty well as is, and still have a pretty young team.

Marcus Smart can be helpful to them in the playoffs, so they're probably not looking to trade him.

Edey will be another good young piece for them, but if they do make an Edey-Poeltl swap, it might be something like Poeltl for Edey + Clarke + draft compensation for taking on Clarke's long term money.


Do we really think Poeltl has more value at this point than Edey? Edey avging 11/8/3 in 22, min at 22 years old on a winning team . Years of cheap control. We would likely be swapping 2025s at minimum to get things started.
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Post#1913 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:15 pm

Johnston wrote:
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Psubs wrote:I wonder if Poeltl and Ochai would be enough for Edey, Marcus Smart and 2025 1st pick?

I don't think MEM is looking to make some big trades right now, maybe just around the fringes. They're playing pretty well as is, and still have a pretty young team.

Marcus Smart can be helpful to them in the playoffs, so they're probably not looking to trade him.

Edey will be another good young piece for them, but if they do make an Edey-Poeltl swap, it might be something like Poeltl for Edey + Clarke + draft compensation for taking on Clarke's long term money.


Do we really think Poeltl has more value at this point than Edey? Edey avging 11/8/3 in 22, min at 22 years old on a winning team . Years of cheap control. We would likely be swapping 2025s at minimum to get things started.

You definitely have a point, but I think it depends a lot on the team and urgency they have to compete. For Memphis who always seems to be playing the long game, they seem the type of organization that would never make this type of trade. However if Edey were on a team with a shorter competitive window and an impatient owner, I could see Poeltl having more value than Edey. But I agree, Memphis would never do this let alone add value on top.
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Post#1914 » by Van_Trump » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:05 pm

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/toronto-raptors-have-not-engaged-in-trade-talks-about-jakob-poeltl

Teams interested in Jacob. In other breaking news, the sky is blue.
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Post#1915 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:11 pm

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My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

Only trade with LAL that makes sense to me is

Brown / Mitchell / Olynyk / Agbaji
for
Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent / Christie

They get better "now" guys and we take on the **** Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent contracts along with pick consideration to do so.

Lakers would start Agbaji/Reaves/Lebron/DFS/Davis which is solid defence and 5 out, and bring Mitchell/Brown/Knecth/Olynyk/Koloko off the bench which is a solid bench unit.
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Post#1916 » by CazOnReal » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:29 pm

I don't know why y'all are even bothering with Lakers trade speculation. They're not giving up a 1st for one of our guys and we shouldn't be interested in their junk...as should basically the other 28 teams in the league.
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Post#1917 » by douggood » Thu Jan 2, 2025 9:06 pm

CazOnReal wrote:I don't know why y'all are even bothering with Lakers trade speculation. They're not giving up a 1st for one of our guys and we shouldn't be interested in their junk...as should basically the other 28 teams in the league.

because they are one of the few teams that have picks to trade
one of the few teams that are likely to buy
have salary ballast, its not like other good teams have 20-30 mil role players that are also expiring.
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Post#1918 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 2, 2025 11:36 pm

Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
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Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

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Post#1919 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Jan 2, 2025 11:44 pm

Psubs wrote:Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche


I like this.

Pistons could bite.
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Post#1920 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 3, 2025 12:01 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Psubs wrote:Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche


I like this.

Pistons could bite.


Fontecchio played 30mpg last season but this season only 17 mpg. He's also currently away from the team (personal reasons). So they get 2 healthy bodies instead of relying on young kids. Ausur and Holland are more like SF so Boucher is slightly taller as a PF. :lol:
This also frees up $8 million for them next season to sign a big player should they choose.

For the Raptors they get a vet who will be an expiring next year that could be a rotation player.
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