Thank Nation! Raps Pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 6)

[BoyzNTheHood]

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

[TheGoodDoctor]

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

Absolutely pukeworthy if true.

Our lone lottery pick for years to come n we waste it on a supposed "NBA ready" player that is a role player with bad defence, this is literally like Ross all over again...coin toss n crappy shortsighted decision over upside that will bite in the butt HUGE just like it did last time.

SMFH @ this franchise if true, we just don't learn...praying it's ORL not us. If this does in fact happen n we don't have some blockbuster trade to get a big time player then I'm seriously done with this franchise. I can't take supporting a team that tries to put a band aid on a disease.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

If it's us, I think it's pretty soft. My belief is that Masai wants to trade the pick, but won't get a good enough offer for it. So if that's the case, I just don't see why he'd make a promise.

He hasn't worked out for the Magic, so if they gave him a soft promise that would be kind of interesting. Soft promise if they can't trade the pick or if someone they like better doesn't slide? Sounds believable.

[artsncrafts]

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

If it's us, I think it's pretty soft. My belief is that Masai wants to trade the pick, but won't get a good enough offer for it. So if that's the case, I just don't see why he'd make a promise.

He didnt make a promise, the quote said he has a promise at 12, if he is still there at 12 (which hopefully he will be).

I am guessing as it says soft promise at 12, Utah promised him.

[OAKLEY_2]

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

Absolutely pukeworthy if true.

Our lone lottery pick for years to come n we waste it on a supposed "NBA ready" player that is a role player with bad defence, this is literally like Ross all over again...coin toss n crappy shortsighted decision over upside that will bite in the butt HUGE just like it did last time.

SMFH @ this franchise if true, we just don't learn...praying it's ORL not us. If this does in fact happen n we don't have some blockbuster trade to get a big time player then I'm seriously done with this franchise. I can't take supporting a team that tries to put a band aid on a disease.

Buddy why blow a gasket on a rumour? Seriously.

[RaptorsLife]

Makes sense if we do because we're not working out top players. Just players for 27th pick it seems like

[artsncrafts]

Dang most mocks have us at Poetl or Sabonis, that is worst case scenario. I am hopeful Masai goes for a higher upside pick.

The only way this makes sense is if Masai is going for a fill a void with draft as we dont have a starting PF. As we saw with Ross, you never draft for need over BPA. I doubt Masai does this, he is no BC.

[ciueli]

If the Sabonis rumour (more like complete speculation) is true it's likely contingent on certain players being off the board when we draft so I don't think anything's carved in stone at the moment. I'll still be hoping one of the top 8 drop to us, particularly the most likely ones, Brown or Chriss.

With respect to Poeltl, I'm not sure he makes sense at 9 because there are so many solid C prospects projected to be available at 27. Ante Zizic, Zhou Qi and Diamond Stone are all players DX projects to be available at 27 and it probably doesn't make sense to draft two centres in the same draft.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Absolutely pukeworthy if true.

Our lone lottery pick for years to come n we waste it on a supposed "NBA ready" player that is a role player with bad defence, this is literally like Ross all over again...coin toss n crappy shortsighted decision over upside that will bite in the butt HUGE just like it did last time.

SMFH @ this franchise if true, we just don't learn...praying it's ORL not us. If this does in fact happen n we don't have some blockbuster trade to get a big time player then I'm seriously done with this franchise. I can't take supporting a team that tries to put a band aid on a disease.

Buddy why blow a gasket on a rumour? Seriously.

Hence the "if true" & the "if this does in fact happen" implying a future event....reading my friend, it changes everything.

[Risk101]

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[RaptorsLife]

Dang most mocks have us at Poetl or Sabonis, that is worst case scenario. I am hopeful Masai goes for a higher upside pick.

The only way this makes sense is if Masai is going for a fill a void with draft as we dont have a starting PF. As we saw with Ross, you never draft for need over BPA. I doubt Masai does this, he is no BC.

Sabinous is BPA. Ross wasn't. Besides Drummond. Austin rivers and lamb people wanted they aren't good. Skal is not worth the pick. He Sabinous can be a taller version of younger scola. That's a pretty damn good player

[jindy20]

I'd rather take a project player like Skal or a wing rather than Sabonis or Poetl at 9...I think the back end of the draft has a lot of solid and arguably comparable PF and C options

[Saciid11]

We really suck at drafting if we are taking Sabonis with the 9th and we haven't learned from our draft history yet ....

[TheGoodDoctor]

Dang most mocks have us at Poetl or Sabonis, that is worst case scenario. I am hopeful Masai goes for a higher upside pick.

The only way this makes sense is if Masai is going for a fill a void with draft as we dont have a starting PF. As we saw with Ross, you never draft for need over BPA. I doubt Masai does this, he is no BC.

Sabinous is BPA. Ross wasn't. Besides Drummond. Austin rivers and lamb people wanted they aren't good. Skal is not worth the pick. He Sabinous can be a taller version of younger scola. That's a pretty damn good player

Sabonis is definitely not BPA, I'm willing to bet anything if we draft him that at least one player (if not several players) drafted after him will be better.

Every year a borderline all-star to actual all-star slips outside the top 8 just so many franchises are too darn scared to gamble on upside n go "safe". There is a plethora of players in our range that upside that have the same questions of their potential that players of years past have had.

Just to rhyme off a list of players that had "questions" surrounding them....Booker, MTurner, Lyles, Nurkic, Hood, Gobert, Giannis, McCollum, Drummond, Fournier, Klay, Kawhi, Butler, George, Whiteside etc. Theses were all guys at 9+ that we're from 2010 til now, all obviously better than Sabonis and not a single year was missed where a great young player slipped through the cracks with the good majority happening within the top 15 where other teams elected for "safer" picks. Again the amount of names with high upside in this one is actually kind of crazy and if we did in fact pass on Sabonis instead do our due diligence and filtered out the garbage we could have a great player AGAIN (Ross/Drummond).

[Legal Non-Conforming]

LOL, maybe you should wait for the draft before giving up on the team...P.S. I can read, I'm just amazed you can work yourself up into a lather while operating with a fraction of the information that the organization has at its disposal...

Gonzaga’s Domantas Sabonis is said to have a soft promise in the top 12. It’s believed he may be Toronto’s guy at No. 9 or Orlando’s guy at No. 11, which would explain why he’s refused to work out for anyone outside the top 12. The Magic are also one of the teams linked to Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/

Absolutely pukeworthy if true.

Our lone lottery pick for years to come n we waste it on a supposed "NBA ready" player that is a role player with bad defence, this is literally like Ross all over again...coin toss n crappy shortsighted decision over upside that will bite in the butt HUGE just like it did last time.

SMFH @ this franchise if true, we just don't learn...praying it's ORL not us. If this does in fact happen n we don't have some blockbuster trade to get a big time player then I'm seriously done with this franchise. I can't take supporting a team that tries to put a band aid on a disease.

[scopy]

I know we are all getting worked up about possible players with the draft getting closer, I just remind myself that we got this pick for Andrea Bargnani.... a wicked trade for a first rounder for a player that is not in the league 2.5 years after the trade. It would have been great to get a 2nd rounder for him.

With all the stress about the pick, I am happy that we have a former scout managing the process. So, lets look at his drafting record, now this does not show who he may have had a hand in with Orlando and Raptors before he became a GM at Denver.

June 2011, 22nd pick: Kenneth Faried
June 2011, 26th pick: Jordan Hamilton
June 2011, 56th pick: Chukwudiebere Maduabum

He missed on: Nikola Mirotic (No. 23), Reggie Jackson (No. 24), Jimmy Butler (No. 30), Chandler Parsons (No. 38), and Isaiah Thomas (No. 60).


June 2012: 20th pick: Evan Fournier
June 2012: 38th pick: Quincy Miller
June 2012: 50th pick: Izzet Turkyilmaz

Players passed over or available at draft slot: Draymond Green (No. 35) and Khris Middleton (No. 39).

June 2014: 20th pick: Bruno
June 2014: 37th pick: DeAndre Daniels
June 2014: 59th pick: Xavier Thames (traded for cash next day to Brooklyn)

Players passed over or available at draft slot: Rodney Hood (No. 23), K.J. McDaniels (No. 32), and Jordan Clarkson (No. 46).

June 2015: 20th pick: Delon Wright
June 2015: 46th pick: Norman Powell (we also got a 2017 1st rounder on top of this for Grevis lol)

Players passed over: I didn't see anyone of note after Delon was picked, maybe Bobby Portis?

Looks like Masai has never picked even in the teens before lol, will be interesting what he can do with #9, no pressure Masai!

[TheGoodDoctor]

LOL, maybe you should wait for the draft before giving up on the team...P.S. I can read, I'm just amazed you can work yourself up into a lather while operating with a fraction of the information that the organization has at its disposal...

Absolutely pukeworthy if true.

Our lone lottery pick for years to come n we waste it on a supposed "NBA ready" player that is a role player with bad defence, this is literally like Ross all over again...coin toss n crappy shortsighted decision over upside that will bite in the butt HUGE just like it did last time.

SMFH @ this franchise if true, we just don't learn...praying it's ORL not us. If this does in fact happen n we don't have some blockbuster trade to get a big time player then I'm seriously done with this franchise. I can't take supporting a team that tries to put a band aid on a disease.

Again IF implies a contingency and in this case the contingency is a future event meaning I haven't done it yet (ie/ giving up on the team which also further elaborated on another potential future event of a "blockbuster trade" that also hasn't happened yet) meaning that I am NOT currently upset but would be should it happen - I feel like I'm teaching grammar to a 5th grader. Obviously in the context of my statement "if true" can only be confirmed in the FUTURE as would my subsequent actions that I laid out (hence why I also used the word "THEN").

I said "reading" to be kind but to be clear this time your comprehension of what you're reading is what needs some work

[ciueli]

I'd rather take a project player like Skal or a wing rather than Sabonis or Poetl at 9...I think the back end of the draft has a lot of solid and arguably comparable PF and C options

Project players are dangerous because you risk spending time, money, and a roster spot for years only to see the player finally figure it out later on a different team. An enormous part of the value of rookie contracts is that you're getting some kind of production for a cheap contract but projects that don't develop for years cost your team instead of delivering value.

Take the Charlotte Hornets. They developed Bismack Biyombo for 4 years while suffering through horrible offence that likely cost them wins before finally cutting him loose and seeing him succeed with us. It's actually worse than using a high pick on a player who becomes merely a decent rotation player because at least that player has value and can be traded.

[kingcns187]

Kinda OT but was there a draft video showing inside the boardroom and thought process for the Delon/Norman draft?

[super_balls]

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