Draft Thread Part 2

[mademan]

It’s honestly insane to me how this continuously happens every year. Prospects are constantly overrated. There’s an outside chance 1 of them maybe becomes as good or better than towns is today. And it’s a crapshoot figuring out which one it’s gonna be at draft time

Based on history, the top 4 usually falls like this:

1 perennial allstar
1 good player / borderline allstar
1 starter
1 bust

If you can trade any of these picks for Towns you have to seriously consider it. There's no Lebron or Timmy sure thing in this draft.

Jamal Murray technically qualifies as a borderline all star as he hasn't made an all star game or team yet but I take a player like him over KAT 10/10 times.

You’re either underrating towns or horribly overrating Murray. He has no case over towns as a player. He had 1 stretch where he played better in the bubble last year and quickly went back to who he was this season.

[brownbobcat]

The top of the 2016 looks a little overrrated now though no?

Who in that draft ended up better than Towns?

Or look at 2015 where people thought that entire top-3 could be generational superstars.

[Jerry Lucas]

Even that draft doesn’t have a player as good as towns.

Family guy really found something with that mystery box skit.

The top of the 2016 looks a little overrrated now though no?

Who in that draft ended up better than Towns?

Jamal Murray is better than KAT not much elaboration needed there, him and Jokic have turned the Nuggets into a serious contender.

Simmons is a 3x all star and made an all nba team, KAT has made one less all star game and has had less team success.

Ingram is exactly the type of star wing built for the modern NBA, ZIon and Ingram will continue to grow together and turn around the Pelicans. KAT has more all star/all nba appearances for now but Ingram was a bit of a late bloomer.

Brown similarly to Ingram, him and Tatum have led the Celtics to more team success because they are the types of star wings that win in the modern NBA.

It's not all about individual accolades, especially because the Raps want to seriously contend again.

[Jerry Lucas]

The top of the 2016 looks a little overrrated now though no?

Who in that draft ended up better than Towns?

Or look at 2015 where people thought that entire top-3 could be generational superstars.

I was never that high on the top of the 2015 draft FWIW. KAT/Okafor/DLo never intrigued me that much as potential go to options on winning teams, especially with KAT and Okafor being bigs.

[Los_29]

Joe Harris is pretty dang good.

Yeah he's great but in the top half of the lottery you gotta aim a bit higher.

I'm not advocating for Kispert but most of the top 10 will bust. I know everyone likes high potential but sometimes it can be smart to take someone who has a high floor, worst case, Kispert is going to be a good shooter.

Agreed. Just look at that Poeltl pick. It was a relatively safe pick, Poeltl never is going to be a star but he's basically better than everyone who was drafted after him aside from Sabonis and then Siakam and Brogdon who were picked much later. When there is high bust potential then it's better to take the safer pick.

But I think in that top 7 range and with our FO making the pick in what is considered a pretty strong draft, they'll be able to draft a player that will be better than Joe Harris. And I like Harris.

[Jerry Lucas]

Based on history, the top 4 usually falls like this:

1 perennial allstar
1 good player / borderline allstar
1 starter
1 bust

If you can trade any of these picks for Towns you have to seriously consider it. There's no Lebron or Timmy sure thing in this draft.

Jamal Murray technically qualifies as a borderline all star as he hasn't made an all star game or team yet but I take a player like him over KAT 10/10 times.

You’re either underrating towns or horribly overrating Murray. He has no case over towns as a player. He had 1 stretch where he played better in the bubble last year and quickly went back to who he was this season.

I don't believe the 2020 bubble was mirage, and still believe he has 50/40/90 potential. Murray and Jokic have also turned the Nuggets into a serious threat.

[OakleyDokely]

Even that draft doesn’t have a player as good as towns.

Family guy really found something with that mystery box skit.

The top of the 2016 looks a little overrrated now though no?

Who in that draft ended up better than Towns?

Jamal Murray is better than KAT not much elaboration needed there, him and Jokic have turned the Nuggets into a serious contender.

Simmons is a 3x all star and made an all nba team, KAT has made one less all star game and has had less team success.

Ingram is exactly the type of star wing built for the modern NBA, ZIon and Ingram will continue to grow together and turn around the Pelicans. KAT has more all star/all nba appearances for now but Ingram was a bit of a late bloomer.

Brown similarly to Ingram, him and Tatum have led the Celtics to more team success because they are the types of star wings that win in the modern NBA.

It's not all about individual accolades, especially because the Raps want to seriously contend again.

Ya, I disagree

Brown, Simmons, Ingram, Murray are borderline allstar types and aren't #1 guys on title contenders. They're #2/#3 guys.

You might take one or two of them over Towns depending on your team construction, but none of them are clearly better than Towns.

[mademan]

If that’s how you value towns then so be it. But acting like Jamal Murray has any real argument over him is ridiculous. There’s a reason the nuggets haven’t missed a beat since he’s been injured. Murray is a good player who has one of the most spectacular outbreaks that we’ve ever seen from a player at his level, but that was the exception in his play. He went back to the player he was the second the bubble closed

And while not as laughable as Murray, Ingram/Simmons/brown haven’t shown anything to say they’re better. Towns being in the second most toxic basketball organization his whole career has been the problem (number 1 being sactown)

[Jerry Lucas]

Even that draft doesn’t have a player as good as towns.

Family guy really found something with that mystery box skit.

The top of the 2016 looks a little overrrated now though no?

Who in that draft ended up better than Towns?

Jamal Murray is better than KAT not much elaboration needed there, him and Jokic have turned the Nuggets into a serious contender.

Simmons is a 3x all star and made an all nba team, KAT has made one less all star game and has had less team success.

Ingram is exactly the type of star wing built for the modern NBA, ZIon and Ingram will continue to grow together and turn around the Pelicans. KAT has more all star/all nba appearances for now but Ingram was a bit of a late bloomer.

Brown similarly to Ingram, him and Tatum have led the Celtics to more team success because they are the types of star wings that win in the modern NBA.

It's not all about individual accolades, especially because the Raps want to seriously contend again.

Ya, I disagree

Brown, Simmons, Ingram, Murray are borderline allstar types and aren't #1 guys on title contenders. They're #2/#3 guys.

You might take one or two of them over Towns depending on your team construction, but none of them are clearly better than Towns.

Towns is also not a #1 on a a real contender just because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way, while Cade/Suggs/Green could all turn out that way, not saying I expect all 3 will but they all could.

[OakleyDokely]

Jamal Murray is better than KAT not much elaboration needed there, him and Jokic have turned the Nuggets into a serious contender.

Simmons is a 3x all star and made an all nba team, KAT has made one less all star game and has had less team success.

Ingram is exactly the type of star wing built for the modern NBA, ZIon and Ingram will continue to grow together and turn around the Pelicans. KAT has more all star/all nba appearances for now but Ingram was a bit of a late bloomer.

Brown similarly to Ingram, him and Tatum have led the Celtics to more team success because they are the types of star wings that win in the modern NBA.

It's not all about individual accolades, especially because the Raps want to seriously contend again.

Ya, I disagree

Brown, Simmons, Ingram, Murray are borderline allstar types and aren't #1 guys on title contenders. They're #2/#3 guys.

You might take one or two of them over Towns depending on your team construction, but none of them are clearly better than Towns.

Towns is also not a #1 on a a real contender just because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way, while Cade/Suggs/Green could all turn out that way, not saying I expect all 3 will but they all could.

The key word is "could"

Towns is already an allstar and top 20 player.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Yall are crazy to pass on Keon because of his shot lol. You can't teach athleticism or wingspan or instill a willingness to score. There is a lot more evidence that a shot can be improved once you get to the NBA level and get with shooting coaches.

OG came into the draft a terrible shooter. Shot 56% from the FT in college and was a 31% 3PT shooter with a bad jumpshot. Now he shoots 79% from the FT line and is a 40% 3PT shooter on high volume 3 years later. Were you envisioning that year one?

Only person I'm taking ahead of him outside of the top 4 is Kuminga if somehow the Barnes hype gets to the Magic

Keon is another example of the size thing. If he’s 6’6” / 6’7”, you can deal with working with that kind of shooting because he has the length to make up for it in other ways even if the shooting pans out. If he’s 6’4” or 6’3” and he can’t shoot, your upside is so limited.

The issue or risk with drafting any player than can’t shoot is that their upside is naturally limited unless they’re a next level type of worker.

That will come down to the interviews and the workout. Out of the guards/wings left they are either too small, don't play defense or can't create for themselves so at best are just another good role player. He has the same measurements as Jimmy Butler and plays physical and is a hound on defense as well. Him coming here and playing off the bench the same way Flynn has would do wonders for his development. Especially with our staff. At worst we get a high energy defensive minded guard who is a high flyer on the other end, at best case scenario we can get a smaller Jaylen Brown with more athleticism

Outside of him Moody intrgues me because if he can get his ball handling together he can be a MPJ lite with his size and shooting ability

[mademan]

Jamal Murray technically qualifies as a borderline all star as he hasn't made an all star game or team yet but I take a player like him over KAT 10/10 times.

You’re either underrating towns or horribly overrating Murray. He has no case over towns as a player. He had 1 stretch where he played better in the bubble last year and quickly went back to who he was this season.

I don't believe the 2020 bubble was mirage, and still believe he has 50/40/90 potential. Murray and Jokic have also turned the Nuggets into a serious threat.

But Ofc it was a mirage. This seasons production is in line with every other non rookie season he’s had. The bubble is absolutely the only thing that stands out, and it was in the most unique basketball circumstance we’ve ever had

[gojoorange]

Yall are crazy to pass on Keon because of his shot lol. You can't teach athleticism or wingspan or instill a willingness to score. There is a lot more evidence that a shot can be improved once you get to the NBA level and get with shooting coaches.

OG came into the draft a terrible shooter. Shot 56% from the FT in college and was a 31% 3PT shooter with a bad jumpshot. Now he shoots 79% from the FT line and is a 40% 3PT shooter on high volume 3 years later. Were you envisioning that year one?

Only person I'm taking ahead of him outside of the top 4 is Kuminga if somehow the Barnes hype gets to the Magic

Keon is another example of the size thing. If he’s 6’6” / 6’7”, you can deal with working with that kind of shooting because he has the length to make up for it in other ways even if the shooting pans out. If he’s 6’4” or 6’3” and he can’t shoot, your upside is so limited.

The issue or risk with drafting any player than can’t shoot is that their upside is naturally limited unless they’re a next level type of worker.

That will come down to the interviews and the workout. Out of the guards/wings left they are either too small, don't play defense or can't create for themselves so at best are just another good role player. He has the same measurements as Jimmy Butler and plays physical and is a hound on defense as well. Him coming here and playing off the bench the same way Flynn has would do wonders for his development. Especially with our staff

Outside of him Moody intrgues me because if he can get his ball handling together he can be a MPJ lite with his size and shooting ability

Moody is 6'6", MPJ is 6'10".

[Jerry Lucas]

Ya, I disagree

Brown, Simmons, Ingram, Murray are borderline allstar types and aren't #1 guys on title contenders. They're #2/#3 guys.

You might take one or two of them over Towns depending on your team construction, but none of them are clearly better than Towns.

Towns is also not a #1 on a a real contender just because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way, while Cade/Suggs/Green could all turn out that way, not saying I expect all 3 will but they all could.

The key word is "could"

Towns is already an allstar and top 20 player.

And will never be the go to option on a serious contender because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way.

[Jerry Lucas]

You’re either underrating towns or horribly overrating Murray. He has no case over towns as a player. He had 1 stretch where he played better in the bubble last year and quickly went back to who he was this season.

I don't believe the 2020 bubble was mirage, and still believe he has 50/40/90 potential. Murray and Jokic have also turned the Nuggets into a serious threat.

But Ofc it was a mirage. This seasons production is in line with every other non rookie season he’s had. The bubble is absolutely the only thing that stands out, and it was in the most unique basketball circumstance we’ve ever had

He averaged over 20 ppg for the first time this year, set a career high in FG% and averaged over .400 from 3 for the first time. From just a statistical perspective I'd say he's getting closer to 50/40/90 with him already being a steady >.875 FT shooter.

[OakleyDokely]

Towns is also not a #1 on a a real contender just because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way, while Cade/Suggs/Green could all turn out that way, not saying I expect all 3 will but they all could.

The key word is "could"

Towns is already an allstar and top 20 player.

And will never be the go to option on a serious contender because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way.

Towns may never be a #1 guy, but he could still end up being a better player than everyone in this draft.

I'm not even saying that I'd for sure trade a top pick for him, it really depends on the other parts of the deal and what the rest of the roster looks like, but you'd have to seriously consider it.

[Jerry Lucas]

The key word is "could"

Towns is already an allstar and top 20 player.

And will never be the go to option on a serious contender because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way.

Towns may never be a #1 guy, but he could still end up being a better player than everyone in this draft.

I'm not even saying that I'd for sure trade a top pick for him, it really depends on the other parts of the deal and what the rest of the roster looks like, but you'd have to seriously consider it.

The key word is "could"

Based on what I believe Cade (Ben Simmons who can actually shoot) and Green (Luka-lite) specifically will turn out to be (#1 guys that can win), I would never trade them for KAT.

[OakleyDokely]

And will never be the go to option on a serious contender because the modern NBA doesn't build around bigs that way.

Towns may never be a #1 guy, but he could still end up being a better player than everyone in this draft.

I'm not even saying that I'd for sure trade a top pick for him, it really depends on the other parts of the deal and what the rest of the roster looks like, but you'd have to seriously consider it.

The key word is "could"

Based on what I believe Cade (Ben Simmons who can actually shoot) and Green (Luka-lite) specifically will turn out to be (#1 guys that can win), I would never trade them for KAT.

Towns has played in the NBA. He's played in allstar games. We already know he's one of the top Cs in the league.

The other guys are mystery boxes.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Keon is another example of the size thing. If he’s 6’6” / 6’7”, you can deal with working with that kind of shooting because he has the length to make up for it in other ways even if the shooting pans out. If he’s 6’4” or 6’3” and he can’t shoot, your upside is so limited.

The issue or risk with drafting any player than can’t shoot is that their upside is naturally limited unless they’re a next level type of worker.

That will come down to the interviews and the workout. Out of the guards/wings left they are either too small, don't play defense or can't create for themselves so at best are just another good role player. He has the same measurements as Jimmy Butler and plays physical and is a hound on defense as well. Him coming here and playing off the bench the same way Flynn has would do wonders for his development. Especially with our staff

Outside of him Moody intrgues me because if he can get his ball handling together he can be a MPJ lite with his size and shooting ability

Moody is 6'6", MPJ is 6'10".

6'6 with a 7'1 wingspan and only 18 so he could still grow and inch or 2. He has the measurements of Kawhi at the 2 guard which makes his shot hard to contest with his high release and hes already an amazing shooter. Lots of sgs in the NBA aren't that tall when you start going down the list.

If he can learn to put the ball on the floor he could have the potential to be a great 2 level scorer at least. Don't see him being a threat getting to the basket with his ball handling deficiencies but he can at least attack a close out and pull up from midrange with ease or pull up from 3 on a PnR

[gojoorange]

That will come down to the interviews and the workout. Out of the guards/wings left they are either too small, don't play defense or can't create for themselves so at best are just another good role player. He has the same measurements as Jimmy Butler and plays physical and is a hound on defense as well. Him coming here and playing off the bench the same way Flynn has would do wonders for his development. Especially with our staff

Outside of him Moody intrgues me because if he can get his ball handling together he can be a MPJ lite with his size and shooting ability

Moody is 6'6", MPJ is 6'10".

6'6 with a 7'1 wingspan and only 18 so he could still grow and inch or 2. He has the measurements of Kawhi at the 2 guard which makes his shot hard to contest with his high release. Lots of sgs in the NBA aren't that tall when you start going down the list

You compared him to MPJ, not me.