2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[redeye514]

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players (certainly not giving a FRP for Harris on his own lool awful) and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

I definitely think Ross / Bamba is the most realistic combo we can go after. Long term C that fits our time line and a bench scorer... their contracts match with Dragic.

Of course Dragic is not enough, nor would Orlando necessarily want Dragic, so other teams will need to be involved.. but my base line premises is that raps send out Dragic / Flynn and either a FRP or SRP to varying teams, and get in return Bamba / Ross.

[bluerap23]

In the buy low/ sell high cat

[LBJKB24MJ23]

In the buy low/ sell high cat

although most people would hate this trade including Philly themselves, Ben Simmons is still a guy - as a player - i'm intrigued about. ball handling, court vision, all-nba defense, fits the big/small long bois lineup


his diva-ism, his lack of wanting to shoot 3s are problematic for sure. he's a guy who wants to be loved - i guess if the Raptors ever took a chance on him, Masai would be upfront with him and change him slowly over time.

but no chance this is every happening

[agkagk]

Looking at our roster construction, it feels like birch’s role is meant to go to a 7 footer.

Are there any realistic scenarios where we can package birch and a 2nd for a decent legit big?

I mean I’d be thrilled if we could parlay that package into nerlen Noel. Although I don’t really see the incentive for the knicks.

[Spida888]

In the buy low/ sell high cat

I'll have to pass. There's no way I'm giving up 3 FRPs for Simmons. If we're willing to part with Trent and give up picks, I'd rather go after someone like SGA (not that they're trying to move SGA).

Speaking of selling high though, I would still do Fred + Dragic + protected pick for Simmons. Fred's been really good, but I'm afraid what he'll get on his next contract now that he's made the all star team. Not that Morey would do this based on his crazy demands, but that would be the most I would offer.

Our shooting would suck even more for this season, but will be closer to the position-less basketball team we want to build.

Barnes-Trent-OG-Siakam-Simmons

[PhilBlackson]

i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players (certainly not giving a FRP for Harris on his own lool awful) and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

I definitely think Ross / Bamba is the most realistic combo we can go after. Long term C that fits our time line and a bench scorer... their contracts match with Dragic.

Of course Dragic is not enough, nor would Orlando necessarily want Dragic, so other teams will need to be involved.. but my base line premises is that raps send out Dragic / Flynn and either a FRP or SRP to varying teams, and get in return Bamba / Ross.

Again I would target Harris, not Ross.

Ross is way too inconsistent. If ORL doesn't want to include Harris instead, then f it, just straight up FRP (+Flynn if necessary) for Bamba. I'd look to shop Dragic elsewhere with some 2nds for maybe Gordon or LAC (who Windhorst has reported several times is looking to shed money now despite Balmer's deep pockets) for Bledsoe + Keon Johnson. But want nothing to do with Ross, he was incredibly frustrating to have here where he'd have one good night then 5+ where he'd just disappear.

[Madhouse]

In the buy low/ sell high cat

We would have no shooting but at least nobody would score on us.

[Madhouse]

As far as Bamba goes, I'd do Dragic for Ross + Bamba.

We take on Ross' additional year as compensation for Bamba. This could get expensive depending on what it takes to retain Bamba in the summer but we get to keep our first rounder

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

I would be okay with giving up a first for Bamba but you better be ready to pay up in a major way.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

In the buy low/ sell high cat

We would have no shooting but at least nobody would score on us.

we would still have OG and FVV.

[Raptors_128]

Spurs have a million guards.

Raps get: White + Poeltl
Spurs get: Dragic + Achiuwa + Flynn + 2022 Raps 1st top-10 protected.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Poeltl
Banton/White/Barnes/Boucher/Birch

Bulls get: Boucher + 2nd
Pacers get: Dragic + Achiuwa + Flynn + 2022 Raps 1st top-10 protected
Raps get: Turner + White + Holiday

FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Turner
Banton/White/Holiday/Barnes/Birch

[LBJKB24MJ23]

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

I would be okay with giving up a first for Bamba but you better be ready to pay up in a major way.

what do you think Bamba gets? i'm estimating 4y/$48-60M

[redeye514]

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players (certainly not giving a FRP for Harris on his own lool awful) and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

I definitely think Ross / Bamba is the most realistic combo we can go after. Long term C that fits our time line and a bench scorer... their contracts match with Dragic.

Of course Dragic is not enough, nor would Orlando necessarily want Dragic, so other teams will need to be involved.. but my base line premises is that raps send out Dragic / Flynn and either a FRP or SRP to varying teams, and get in return Bamba / Ross.

Again I would target Harris, not Ross.

Ross is way too inconsistent. If ORL doesn't want to include Harris instead, then f it, just straight up FRP (+Flynn if necessary) for Bamba. I'd look to shop Dragic elsewhere with some 2nds for maybe Gordon or LAC (who Windhorst has reported several times is looking to shed money now despite Balmer's deep pockets) for Bledsoe + Keon Johnson. But want nothing to do with Ross, he was incredibly frustrating to have here where he'd have one good night then 5+ where he'd just disappear.

I hear ya on Ross. The term ‘coin toss Ross’ was earned.. never know what you would get. Having said that, if Harris is off table, I would still take Ross.. hope he’s matured and can own a 6th man gunner role. Keep in mind, when he was with us we had his starting at SF often times.. wasent fair. Also, with the way Nurse empowers everyone to crash the offensive glass, I have these visions of Ross cramming some put backs on people noggin. For all of Ross frustration as a core rotational piece, he def had some of the craziest dunks in our franchise history (which is saying a lot coming from the prime VC era franchise.

[Madhouse]

Spurs have a million guards.

Raps get: White + Poeltl
Spurs get: Dragic + Achiuwa + Flynn + 2022 Raps 1st top-10 protected.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Poeltl
Banton/White/Barnes/Boucher/Birch

Bulls get: Boucher + 2nd
Pacers get: Dragic + Achiuwa + Flynn + 2022 Raps 1st top-10 protected
Raps get: Turner + White + Holiday

FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Turner
Banton/White/Holiday/Barnes/Birch

Can we get Vassell or Lonnie Walker?

[Rapsfan07]

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

of course i would take the trade you said first - Dragic for Ross and Bamba, easily. if we can do that - Masai has done it again. Lowry into Bamba and Precious. Bamba could easily Boucher as well. in terms of a big man shooting 3s. don't know if anyone has that Boucher energy though.


i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

Potentially, yes.

I don't have a problem giving a pick for Bamba. Honestly when it's all said and done, Bamba is probably going to be better than anyone we would have taken in the middle of the draft. But if my math is right, I think that makes us a tax team next year because we added Ross and have to pay Bamba this summer as well.

[Rapsfan07]

why? Magic aren't a tax team. not this year or next year.

Magic aren't going to give us a big man who can shoot 3's they will still evaulate him in the offseason. He's probably their best big man in terms of potential even though he might be in for a big raise. 12-15M? and he's a RFA - someone is probably offering a 1st rounder too to get him

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

I would be okay with giving up a first for Bamba but you better be ready to pay up in a major way.

Yeah see that's the major thing.

I'd imagine we'd be looking at somewhere around $15-20M annually for Bamba, which is reasonable if he continues his current trajectory of growth but taking on Ross to do so... I'm pretty sure that takes us into the tax. Then next summer we'd be looking at having to re-up both FVV and Trent Jr. So... things could get pretty tight really fast

[Ell Curry]

The thing is we are capped out next year but below the tax. So i would trade boucher only if it netted us a player who is under contract next year and can bring more of what we need to the table otherwise we have the ability to sign boucher this summer and trade him later because we don’t have any money other than the mle to fill our bench in the summer.

so we can sign Boucher and have the full MLE or does he eat into that?

We can use MLE to sign a player and then use Boucher’s bird rights we have to sign him if we are over the cap. It will all depend on if Masai has bigger plans of getting a better player than Boucher at the deadline or the summer with the assets he has.

I think if we land a center better than him this trade deadline we will trade him, but if we are trading for a bench guard then it makes sense to keep him and use the MLE on a big this summer

Boucher's cap hold seems to be 13.38M so I think signing him for what I expect him to get (10M or so) will save us money. If we're keeping him then it's either:

1) Non tax-MLE 10M and we can probably use the 3.9M bi-annual exception on some young-ish guy Masai likes and sneak under if Boucher is at 10M.
2) Dragic trade brings back someone making 10M or less (or like 11 and we move Flynn or something or just go into the season 1M into the tax or so over and look to shave during, or we just pay it as we're going over it)

and we're under the tax

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

of course i would take the trade you said first - Dragic for Ross and Bamba, easily. if we can do that - Masai has done it again. Lowry into Bamba and Precious. Bamba could easily Boucher as well. in terms of a big man shooting 3s. don't know if anyone has that Boucher energy though.


i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

Potentially, yes.

I don't have a problem giving a pick for Bamba. Honestly when it's all said and done, Bamba is probably going to be better than anyone we would have taken in the middle of the draft. But if my math is right, I think that makes us a tax team next year because we added Ross and have to pay Bamba this summer as well.

we are only a tax team by the end of the season

[PhilBlackson]

I'm not sure I'm enamoured enough with Bamba to take on Ross AND give a first.

I would be okay with giving up a first for Bamba but you better be ready to pay up in a major way.

Yeah see that's the major thing.

I'd imagine we'd be looking at somewhere around $15-20M annually for Bamba, which is reasonable if he continues his current trajectory of growth but taking on Ross to do so... I'm pretty sure that takes us into the tax. Then next summer we'd be looking at having to re-up both FVV and Trent Jr. So... things could get pretty tight really fast

I don't think Bamba would get anywhere near $20M lol

I think it's much more likely to be $10-15M. He's not even the starter on a really, really bad team.

[Madhouse]

I would be okay with giving up a first for Bamba but you better be ready to pay up in a major way.

Yeah see that's the major thing.

I'd imagine we'd be looking at somewhere around $15-20M annually for Bamba, which is reasonable if he continues his current trajectory of growth but taking on Ross to do so... I'm pretty sure that takes us into the tax. Then next summer we'd be looking at having to re-up both FVV and Trent Jr. So... things could get pretty tight really fast

I don't think Bamba would get anywhere near $20M lol

I think it's much more likely to be $10-15M. He's not even the starter on a really, really bad team.

he has started 40 out of 42 games

[Rapsfan07]

i'm okay with it if you think Bamba is like almost picking a senior in college and he's with you for the next 4 years and you're just trading a draft pick from this year in that 15-25 range. Ross can be rerouted to another team next year as well as an expiring etc.

If I was the Raps, I would add Dragic to the deal and take Harris instead.

I don't forget how HORRIBLY inconsistent TRoss was lol Gary isn't great but he's more well rounded & consistent than Ross. I know ORL isn't a tax team but doesn't mean a team that's clearly tanking, has mediocre attendance and that needs to clear space to allow Suggs, Anthony & Fultz time to play won't do it and just save a bunch of money. If not forget adding ANY players (certainly not giving a FRP for Harris on his own lool awful) and I don't think Ross is required because the rumors were ORL wanted a FRP for Bamba (period) nothing was mentioned about anything needing to be added. I really think that is the case because they didn't extend Bamba and just don't want him to walk for free, so getting any first rounder for a guy you were just gonna lose anyways is great compensation.

I definitely think Ross / Bamba is the most realistic combo we can go after. Long term C that fits our time line and a bench scorer... their contracts match with Dragic.

Of course Dragic is not enough, nor would Orlando necessarily want Dragic, so other teams will need to be involved.. but my base line premises is that raps send out Dragic / Flynn and either a FRP or SRP to varying teams, and get in return Bamba / Ross.

Yeah I agree. Harris has been much more useful than Dragic. I don't see the advantage to a Dragic-Harris swap for Orlando unless there is some incentive attached.

Dragic + FRP for Ross and Bamba works. Not sure if I'm in love with but I do concede that it may be the easiest and best way to plug the holes we have in the roster.

If we could just follow that up with a Boucher for White trade from the Bulls, we'd be pretty set.