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Post#1921 » by Mascot » Mon May 2, 2022 1:18 am

Brady Manek is going to be a very serviceable big man off the bench, not star potential but just as a role player
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Post#1922 » by Psubs » Mon May 2, 2022 2:32 pm

Mascot wrote:Brady Manek is going to be a very serviceable big man off the bench, not star potential but just as a role player


Like a Matt Bonner.
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Post#1923 » by alpngso » Mon May 2, 2022 9:08 pm

Vecenie's big board updated today. Vecenie ranks Miller at 45 and had this to add

Leonard Miller (No. 45): Forget Sharpe: This is actually the Canadian man of the mystery in this class. Miller is a truly polarizing prospect who some evaluators are extremely interested in and others think is so far away developmentally that he should not be in this draft class. Miller is a 6-foot-10-ish wing who is a very high-level upside swing because of his instincts as a scorer and guard skills at his size. Having undergone a significant growth spurt over the last couple of years to his current height, it’s clear Miller is still learning how to use his newfound size. Playing this past year at Fort Erie Prep in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association, he essentially acted as a point forward who was responsible for creating most of the offense for his team.

There, he was largely successful because he was just bigger, more athletic and more skilled than everyone in the league. He’d get to play against guys who were 6-foot-6 or shorter, and he just had an exceptionally easy time seeing over the top of them, extending past them or shooting over them. His tape with Fort Erie displays a very talented player, but one who is clearly without limitation because he is, by a drastic margin, the most talented player in the league. Because of that, you’ll see him dominate for long stretches, then also throw some mind-numbingly bad passes that make you wonder what in the world he was even seeing. And don’t even get started on the shot mechanics. His shot prep is among the worst in this draft class. Every time he rises, it looks different from the previous shot. He clearly has real touch, but his weight transfer and balance almost always look off.

Luckily, scouts got to see him throughout the year at a few different events that gave them a better feel for where he’s at, the most recent one being Nike Hoop Summit. Scouts there came away with the general feeling that he was arguably the most intriguing long-term player on the World Team, but it was a World Team that paled in comparison to some past iterations from a talent perspective. Throughout the week of practice, sources indicated that he showcased many of the flashes you can see on tape in Ontario, but his overall performance was all over the map and didn’t inspire much confidence that he’d be able to make an impact in an NBA setting any time soon.

As a prospect, the thing that worries me most about Miller is the intersection of strength and explosiveness. He’s extremely skinny but also isn’t particularly explosive as an athlete. Unlike shot prep, that’s something you probably can’t fix. However, the thing that intrigues me most is that he plays with strong change of pace and has an intriguing, herky-jerky style that allows him to separate from defenders, and his size allows him to shoot over the top. At this stage, his game is one of contradictions. He changes pace well but doesn’t have much explosion. He has touch but horrible shot prep and balance that will require a lot of work to bring consistency. He can make some intriguing passing reads, but he’s still just extremely wild as a ballhandler and decision-maker. Defensively, he has awesome tools but just lacked a real, consistent engagement level all the time. His best moments make him look like the kind of big initiator whom teams love. His worst moments make you wonder if he’d even be an effective college basketball player consistently next year. He’s a pure project in every sense of the word right now.

But is he a project worth undertaking for NBA teams in this draft? Is he intriguing enough for teams to make an informed bet on him? Miller is declaring for the 2022 NBA Draft but is retaining his collegiate eligibility to potentially attend school next year. He’s additionally considering using a gap year in regard to the draft and turning pro and playing with either the G League Ignite or Overtime Elite. Unquestionably, you would think he is looking for some sort of assurance before giving up his eligibility. If I were advising Miller, I think Overtime Elite makes a lot of sense if no team steps up to the plate with a first-round promise. Another year to develop his craft in a relatively low-stakes environment — especially given the work they did this past season with a player we’re about to discuss in a moment — could really benefit his transition to the NBA. I would expect he will be invited to the NBA Draft Combine, and how his pre-draft process looks while competing against other good prospects on the workout circuit will play a critical role in whether or not he ends up in this class. He’s so polarizing for scouts at this point that I think anywhere from No. 20 to 60 is the range. It’s possible one team loves him enough to just take the plunge and go for it. I don’t think he’d go unselected. But scouts feel so differently about him that it’s really tough to get an overall handle at this early stage.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1924 » by Kevin Willis » Mon May 2, 2022 10:27 pm

alpngso wrote:Vecenie's big board updated today. Vecenie ranks Miller at 45 and had this to add

Leonard Miller (No. 45): Forget Sharpe: This is actually the Canadian man of the mystery in this class. Miller is a truly polarizing prospect who some evaluators are extremely interested in and others think is so far away developmentally that he should not be in this draft class. Miller is a 6-foot-10-ish wing who is a very high-level upside swing because of his instincts as a scorer and guard skills at his size. Having undergone a significant growth spurt over the last couple of years to his current height, it’s clear Miller is still learning how to use his newfound size. Playing this past year at Fort Erie Prep in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association, he essentially acted as a point forward who was responsible for creating most of the offense for his team.

There, he was largely successful because he was just bigger, more athletic and more skilled than everyone in the league. He’d get to play against guys who were 6-foot-6 or shorter, and he just had an exceptionally easy time seeing over the top of them, extending past them or shooting over them. His tape with Fort Erie displays a very talented player, but one who is clearly without limitation because he is, by a drastic margin, the most talented player in the league. Because of that, you’ll see him dominate for long stretches, then also throw some mind-numbingly bad passes that make you wonder what in the world he was even seeing. And don’t even get started on the shot mechanics. His shot prep is among the worst in this draft class. Every time he rises, it looks different from the previous shot. He clearly has real touch, but his weight transfer and balance almost always look off.

Luckily, scouts got to see him throughout the year at a few different events that gave them a better feel for where he’s at, the most recent one being Nike Hoop Summit. Scouts there came away with the general feeling that he was arguably the most intriguing long-term player on the World Team, but it was a World Team that paled in comparison to some past iterations from a talent perspective. Throughout the week of practice, sources indicated that he showcased many of the flashes you can see on tape in Ontario, but his overall performance was all over the map and didn’t inspire much confidence that he’d be able to make an impact in an NBA setting any time soon.

As a prospect, the thing that worries me most about Miller is the intersection of strength and explosiveness. He’s extremely skinny but also isn’t particularly explosive as an athlete. Unlike shot prep, that’s something you probably can’t fix. However, the thing that intrigues me most is that he plays with strong change of pace and has an intriguing, herky-jerky style that allows him to separate from defenders, and his size allows him to shoot over the top. At this stage, his game is one of contradictions. He changes pace well but doesn’t have much explosion. He has touch but horrible shot prep and balance that will require a lot of work to bring consistency. He can make some intriguing passing reads, but he’s still just extremely wild as a ballhandler and decision-maker. Defensively, he has awesome tools but just lacked a real, consistent engagement level all the time. His best moments make him look like the kind of big initiator whom teams love. His worst moments make you wonder if he’d even be an effective college basketball player consistently next year. He’s a pure project in every sense of the word right now.

But is he a project worth undertaking for NBA teams in this draft? Is he intriguing enough for teams to make an informed bet on him? Miller is declaring for the 2022 NBA Draft but is retaining his collegiate eligibility to potentially attend school next year. He’s additionally considering using a gap year in regard to the draft and turning pro and playing with either the G League Ignite or Overtime Elite. Unquestionably, you would think he is looking for some sort of assurance before giving up his eligibility. If I were advising Miller, I think Overtime Elite makes a lot of sense if no team steps up to the plate with a first-round promise. Another year to develop his craft in a relatively low-stakes environment — especially given the work they did this past season with a player we’re about to discuss in a moment — could really benefit his transition to the NBA. I would expect he will be invited to the NBA Draft Combine, and how his pre-draft process looks while competing against other good prospects on the workout circuit will play a critical role in whether or not he ends up in this class. He’s so polarizing for scouts at this point that I think anywhere from No. 20 to 60 is the range. It’s possible one team loves him enough to just take the plunge and go for it. I don’t think he’d go unselected. But scouts feel so differently about him that it’s really tough to get an overall handle at this early stage.


Can you post his list for Round 1 and 2? Thanks.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1925 » by DG88 » Mon May 2, 2022 10:37 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
alpngso wrote:Vecenie's big board updated today. Vecenie ranks Miller at 45 and had this to add

Leonard Miller (No. 45): Forget Sharpe: This is actually the Canadian man of the mystery in this class. Miller is a truly polarizing prospect who some evaluators are extremely interested in and others think is so far away developmentally that he should not be in this draft class. Miller is a 6-foot-10-ish wing who is a very high-level upside swing because of his instincts as a scorer and guard skills at his size. Having undergone a significant growth spurt over the last couple of years to his current height, it’s clear Miller is still learning how to use his newfound size. Playing this past year at Fort Erie Prep in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association, he essentially acted as a point forward who was responsible for creating most of the offense for his team.

There, he was largely successful because he was just bigger, more athletic and more skilled than everyone in the league. He’d get to play against guys who were 6-foot-6 or shorter, and he just had an exceptionally easy time seeing over the top of them, extending past them or shooting over them. His tape with Fort Erie displays a very talented player, but one who is clearly without limitation because he is, by a drastic margin, the most talented player in the league. Because of that, you’ll see him dominate for long stretches, then also throw some mind-numbingly bad passes that make you wonder what in the world he was even seeing. And don’t even get started on the shot mechanics. His shot prep is among the worst in this draft class. Every time he rises, it looks different from the previous shot. He clearly has real touch, but his weight transfer and balance almost always look off.

Luckily, scouts got to see him throughout the year at a few different events that gave them a better feel for where he’s at, the most recent one being Nike Hoop Summit. Scouts there came away with the general feeling that he was arguably the most intriguing long-term player on the World Team, but it was a World Team that paled in comparison to some past iterations from a talent perspective. Throughout the week of practice, sources indicated that he showcased many of the flashes you can see on tape in Ontario, but his overall performance was all over the map and didn’t inspire much confidence that he’d be able to make an impact in an NBA setting any time soon.

As a prospect, the thing that worries me most about Miller is the intersection of strength and explosiveness. He’s extremely skinny but also isn’t particularly explosive as an athlete. Unlike shot prep, that’s something you probably can’t fix. However, the thing that intrigues me most is that he plays with strong change of pace and has an intriguing, herky-jerky style that allows him to separate from defenders, and his size allows him to shoot over the top. At this stage, his game is one of contradictions. He changes pace well but doesn’t have much explosion. He has touch but horrible shot prep and balance that will require a lot of work to bring consistency. He can make some intriguing passing reads, but he’s still just extremely wild as a ballhandler and decision-maker. Defensively, he has awesome tools but just lacked a real, consistent engagement level all the time. His best moments make him look like the kind of big initiator whom teams love. His worst moments make you wonder if he’d even be an effective college basketball player consistently next year. He’s a pure project in every sense of the word right now.

But is he a project worth undertaking for NBA teams in this draft? Is he intriguing enough for teams to make an informed bet on him? Miller is declaring for the 2022 NBA Draft but is retaining his collegiate eligibility to potentially attend school next year. He’s additionally considering using a gap year in regard to the draft and turning pro and playing with either the G League Ignite or Overtime Elite. Unquestionably, you would think he is looking for some sort of assurance before giving up his eligibility. If I were advising Miller, I think Overtime Elite makes a lot of sense if no team steps up to the plate with a first-round promise. Another year to develop his craft in a relatively low-stakes environment — especially given the work they did this past season with a player we’re about to discuss in a moment — could really benefit his transition to the NBA. I would expect he will be invited to the NBA Draft Combine, and how his pre-draft process looks while competing against other good prospects on the workout circuit will play a critical role in whether or not he ends up in this class. He’s so polarizing for scouts at this point that I think anywhere from No. 20 to 60 is the range. It’s possible one team loves him enough to just take the plunge and go for it. I don’t think he’d go unselected. But scouts feel so differently about him that it’s really tough to get an overall handle at this early stage.


Can you post his list for Round 1 and 2? Thanks.

It's just a big board so just the prospect tiers.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1926 » by alpngso » Mon May 2, 2022 10:38 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
alpngso wrote:Vecenie's big board updated today. Vecenie ranks Miller at 45 and had this to add

Leonard Miller (No. 45): Forget Sharpe: This is actually the Canadian man of the mystery in this class. Miller is a truly polarizing prospect who some evaluators are extremely interested in and others think is so far away developmentally that he should not be in this draft class. Miller is a 6-foot-10-ish wing who is a very high-level upside swing because of his instincts as a scorer and guard skills at his size. Having undergone a significant growth spurt over the last couple of years to his current height, it’s clear Miller is still learning how to use his newfound size. Playing this past year at Fort Erie Prep in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association, he essentially acted as a point forward who was responsible for creating most of the offense for his team.

There, he was largely successful because he was just bigger, more athletic and more skilled than everyone in the league. He’d get to play against guys who were 6-foot-6 or shorter, and he just had an exceptionally easy time seeing over the top of them, extending past them or shooting over them. His tape with Fort Erie displays a very talented player, but one who is clearly without limitation because he is, by a drastic margin, the most talented player in the league. Because of that, you’ll see him dominate for long stretches, then also throw some mind-numbingly bad passes that make you wonder what in the world he was even seeing. And don’t even get started on the shot mechanics. His shot prep is among the worst in this draft class. Every time he rises, it looks different from the previous shot. He clearly has real touch, but his weight transfer and balance almost always look off.

Luckily, scouts got to see him throughout the year at a few different events that gave them a better feel for where he’s at, the most recent one being Nike Hoop Summit. Scouts there came away with the general feeling that he was arguably the most intriguing long-term player on the World Team, but it was a World Team that paled in comparison to some past iterations from a talent perspective. Throughout the week of practice, sources indicated that he showcased many of the flashes you can see on tape in Ontario, but his overall performance was all over the map and didn’t inspire much confidence that he’d be able to make an impact in an NBA setting any time soon.

As a prospect, the thing that worries me most about Miller is the intersection of strength and explosiveness. He’s extremely skinny but also isn’t particularly explosive as an athlete. Unlike shot prep, that’s something you probably can’t fix. However, the thing that intrigues me most is that he plays with strong change of pace and has an intriguing, herky-jerky style that allows him to separate from defenders, and his size allows him to shoot over the top. At this stage, his game is one of contradictions. He changes pace well but doesn’t have much explosion. He has touch but horrible shot prep and balance that will require a lot of work to bring consistency. He can make some intriguing passing reads, but he’s still just extremely wild as a ballhandler and decision-maker. Defensively, he has awesome tools but just lacked a real, consistent engagement level all the time. His best moments make him look like the kind of big initiator whom teams love. His worst moments make you wonder if he’d even be an effective college basketball player consistently next year. He’s a pure project in every sense of the word right now.

But is he a project worth undertaking for NBA teams in this draft? Is he intriguing enough for teams to make an informed bet on him? Miller is declaring for the 2022 NBA Draft but is retaining his collegiate eligibility to potentially attend school next year. He’s additionally considering using a gap year in regard to the draft and turning pro and playing with either the G League Ignite or Overtime Elite. Unquestionably, you would think he is looking for some sort of assurance before giving up his eligibility. If I were advising Miller, I think Overtime Elite makes a lot of sense if no team steps up to the plate with a first-round promise. Another year to develop his craft in a relatively low-stakes environment — especially given the work they did this past season with a player we’re about to discuss in a moment — could really benefit his transition to the NBA. I would expect he will be invited to the NBA Draft Combine, and how his pre-draft process looks while competing against other good prospects on the workout circuit will play a critical role in whether or not he ends up in this class. He’s so polarizing for scouts at this point that I think anywhere from No. 20 to 60 is the range. It’s possible one team loves him enough to just take the plunge and go for it. I don’t think he’d go unselected. But scouts feel so differently about him that it’s really tough to get an overall handle at this early stage.


Can you post his list for Round 1 and 2? Thanks.


not gonna post everything here because it’s paid content but here’s link to reddit post

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/uguzr6/vecenies_2022_nba_draft_big_board_40_jabari_smith/
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1927 » by Mascot » Mon May 2, 2022 10:56 pm

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Mascot wrote:Brady Manek is going to be a very serviceable big man off the bench, not star potential but just as a role player


Like a Matt Bonner.



yep, but a better passer from what I have saw.
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Post#1928 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 2, 2022 11:54 pm

alpngso wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
alpngso wrote:Vecenie's big board updated today. Vecenie ranks Miller at 45 and had this to add



Can you post his list for Round 1 and 2? Thanks.


not gonna post everything here because it’s paid content but here’s link to reddit post

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/uguzr6/vecenies_2022_nba_draft_big_board_40_jabari_smith/


Personally I'd take an upside pick like Peyton Watson (and probably Leonard Miller) over Trevor Keels.
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Post#1929 » by Snowwy » Tue May 3, 2022 1:42 am

Mascot wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Mascot wrote:Brady Manek is going to be a very serviceable big man off the bench, not star potential but just as a role player


Like a Matt Bonner.



yep, but a better passer from what I have saw.

Also going to be 24 on opening night. Don't forget Bonner shot 47.4% from 3 in his 4th year. Manek shot 40% in his 5th year.
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Post#1930 » by Ell Curry » Tue May 3, 2022 1:42 am

I'm kind of hoping for Max Christie. We need some shooting and he looked better than Caleb Houstan to me, and that's coming from a Michigan fan.
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Post#1931 » by Snowwy » Tue May 3, 2022 1:48 am

Ell Curry wrote:I'm kind of hoping for Max Christie. We need some shooting and he looked better than Caleb Houstan to me, and that's coming from a Michigan fan.

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Post#1933 » by PhilBlackson » Tue May 3, 2022 2:25 am

I just hope we take an upside pick -- one of Ousmane Dieng, John Butler, Peyton Watson or Leonard Miller.

Gut feeling still saying we take Julian Champagne or Justin Lewis.

Personally not high on any of the Cs including Nzosa who looks like another Diallo to me.
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Post#1934 » by Dalek » Tue May 3, 2022 6:01 am

Jerry Lucas wrote:College prospects I like that could be in our range and fit the draft profile Masai usually prefers:

Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest, Junior, 6'9" F)
Dalen Terry (Arizona, Soph, 6'7" G)
Josh Minott (Memphis, Freshman, 6'8" F)
Jaylin Williams (Arkansas, Soph, 6'10" F/C)
Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, Junior, 6'9" F/C)


You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.

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Post#1935 » by Bull-E » Tue May 3, 2022 6:23 am

PhilBlackson wrote:I just hope we take an upside pick -- one of Ousmane Dieng, John Butler, Peyton Watson or Leonard Miller.

Gut feeling still saying we take Julian Champagne or Justin Lewis.

Personally not high on any of the Cs including Nzosa who looks like another Diallo to me.


My first instinct is to support the upside pick too. But if one looks at the history of the second round it's rare that raw prospects ever pan out at that point. The raw prospects who typically pan out are the ones team's gamble on earlier in the draft, because they are just too talented to pass up.

The best chance for success with the 33rd pick is likely a guy with a proven, elite skill who has a perceived lower ceiling. Jake LaRavia and David Roddy jump to mind.
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Post#1936 » by Indeed » Tue May 3, 2022 12:28 pm

Dalek wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:College prospects I like that could be in our range and fit the draft profile Masai usually prefers:

Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest, Junior, 6'9" F)
Dalen Terry (Arizona, Soph, 6'7" G)
Josh Minott (Memphis, Freshman, 6'8" F)
Jaylin Williams (Arkansas, Soph, 6'10" F/C)
Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, Junior, 6'9" F/C)


You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.



Interesting prospect. He has good passing ability with change of speed. Just not sure would teams go under the screen against him.
The biggest question is, do we continue to draft non-shooter? Is he a bit similar to Banton, while Banton would be more capable of creating his own shot if he gets his jump shot working, and Terry would be more a passer if he gets his jump shot working.

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Post#1937 » by grant101 » Tue May 3, 2022 12:44 pm

Indeed wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:College prospects I like that could be in our range and fit the draft profile Masai usually prefers:

Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest, Junior, 6'9" F)
Dalen Terry (Arizona, Soph, 6'7" G)
Josh Minott (Memphis, Freshman, 6'8" F)
Jaylin Williams (Arkansas, Soph, 6'10" F/C)
Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, Junior, 6'9" F/C)


You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.



Interesting prospect. He has good passing ability with change of speed. Just not sure would teams go under the screen against him.
The biggest question is, do we continue to draft non-shooter? Is he a bit similar to Banton, while Banton would be more capable of creating his own shot if he gets his jump shot working, and Terry would be more a passer if he gets his jump shot working.



I like Terry. Reminds me of a slightly longer Delon. He's also much younger than Delon when he was drafted. Love his attitude on the court as well - seems like a really good teammate. Has solid role player and playoff contributor upside. Not my first choice, but not bad at all at 33 IMO
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1938 » by PoundTown » Tue May 3, 2022 1:24 pm

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Jerry Lucas wrote:College prospects I like that could be in our range and fit the draft profile Masai usually prefers:

Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest, Junior, 6'9" F)
Dalen Terry (Arizona, Soph, 6'7" G)
Josh Minott (Memphis, Freshman, 6'8" F)
Jaylin Williams (Arkansas, Soph, 6'10" F/C)
Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, Junior, 6'9" F/C)


You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.



If he’s around at our pick i give him a big time look. Terrific glue player if he can hit an open jump shot.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1939 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 3, 2022 1:42 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:I just hope we take an upside pick -- one of Ousmane Dieng, John Butler, Peyton Watson or Leonard Miller.

Gut feeling still saying we take Julian Champagne or Justin Lewis.

Personally not high on any of the Cs including Nzosa who looks like another Diallo to me.


My first instinct is to support the upside pick too. But if one looks at the history of the second round it's rare that raw prospects ever pan out at that point. The raw prospects who typically pan out are the ones team's gamble on earlier in the draft, because they are just too talented to pass up.

The best chance for success with the 33rd pick is likely a guy with a proven, elite skill who has a perceived lower ceiling. Jake LaRavia and David Roddy jump to mind.


The only upside pick that interests me is Dieng, because his skillset is already there and he's playing in a very difficult league where there's been some recent hits in the NBA. Miller seems like he would be a good story, but I haven't seen him play and he sounds like a long-term project.

Procida has an elite skill and plays a pretty physical game for a shooter. I'd be fine with him.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1940 » by Psubs » Tue May 3, 2022 1:48 pm

PoundTown wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:College prospects I like that could be in our range and fit the draft profile Masai usually prefers:

Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest, Junior, 6'9" F)
Dalen Terry (Arizona, Soph, 6'7" G)
Josh Minott (Memphis, Freshman, 6'8" F)
Jaylin Williams (Arkansas, Soph, 6'10" F/C)
Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana, Junior, 6'9" F/C)


You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.



If he’s around at our pick i give him a big time look. Terrific glue player if he can hit an open jump shot.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dalen-terry-1.html

At 6'7 with an A/T of 2.78 he could be at least a jumbo combo guard like Delano Banton. It looks like Terry may be able to shoot 3's better than Banton.

I approve of this pick. Dalen & Dalano!!!
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