Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Dalek]

Personally... I do think Orlando is legitimately interested in VanVleet.

However, the Magic are going to be one of the few teams that can create the kind of cap space that it would take to offer FVV a contract he'd be willing to sign this summer.

So IMO there's virtually no chance the Magic are going to give up significant assets for a guy they could just potentially sign in 6 months or potentially lose to another team in 6 months too.

If the price is low/moderate, I think a deal could happen (same for GTJ). But if it goes beyond that low/moderate price tag, I think the Magic will just wait and instead look to chase in free agency.

I'd be curious to know how excited the team is with trying to make the play-in/playoffs this season. They have been playing well, but I am not sure how much management would want to make a push this season. Any idea on how aggressive your team is with looking to further improve this season?

I kind of look at Orlando like OKC. Both these teams look pretty good, but they can just wait out another season before attacking free agency.

[RaptorLakerJay]

From the Magic I ask for Fultz, Carter Jr., FRP For Fred.

And they ask you why they dont just sign him this summer if the Magic interest is mutual for Fred?

because Raptors have other trading options like the Suns or Mavs....who would then likely re-sign Fred.

Not just Suns and Mavs, but according to Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report, Wolves, Clippers, Heat, Lakers, and Wizards are all also interested in him.

[anotherhomer]

And they ask you why they dont just sign him this summer if the Magic interest is mutual for Fred?

because Raptors have other trading options like the Suns or Mavs....who would then likely re-sign Fred.

Not just Suns and Mavs, but according to Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report, Wolves, Clippers, Heat, Lakers, and Wizards are all also interested in him.

Seems like a sell high candidate

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If the Magic don't offer that pick(Bulls), why even listen.

[Kevin Willis]

From the Magic I ask for Fultz, Carter Jr., FRP For Fred.

And they ask you why they dont just sign him this summer if the Magic interest is mutual for Fred?

It will need to be a long bois, one of their FRP and someone for salary. It won't be one of the Wagner brothers. None of their PGs. So either Carter Jr. or Jonathan Isaac (Mr. Injured). They have several pfs on that team - Banchero, Bol Bol, Wagner, Schofeild - that they could lose of them and not miss a beat. Actually they should lose one, that's too many. I would take Isaac if he's healthy and make him a wing.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[SFour]

ya thats still an easy decision. You absolutely risk that and try your hand at FVV in the summer vs trading strong assets for him. They might give up a lotto protected first and then let the chips fall where they may

when's the last time Magic signed a big name free agent....they can take the risk but they'll be left empty handed.

getting bird rights means nothing to them, that's the benefit of trading for him now. there is the bigger risk they give up assets for him and he still leaves.

in my opinion FVV would be inclined to re-sign knowing they gave up assets for him

[dagger]

because Raptors have other trading options like the Suns or Mavs....who would then likely re-sign Fred.

Not just Suns and Mavs, but according to Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report, Wolves, Clippers, Heat, Lakers, and Wizards are all also interested in him.

Seems like a sell high candidate

Yes, but I doubt some of those teams can meet the threshold of an interesting offer. By all indications, Masai isn;'t going to do a strip down, so a couple of bad contracts plus a first round pick in the next century isn't attractive. There has to be some positive asset or assets that can help the team immediately, like a prospect from a recent draft or a 2023 or 2024 first round pick with reasonable protection, or none at all, to offset the inclusion of any bad contract money.

[Knightro]

Orlando is an exciting young team that needs a few years more to develop. As I ask above, why would you give up ANY assets and a favourable draft slot to acquire Fred THIS year? It doesn't make sense to me. Just ride it out another few months, potentially draft a superstar, and sign Fred in the off season. Maybe work out a sign and trade if it makes it easier than clearing cap space outright. Raps are used to doing that with Florida teams.

We're in agreement. I don't think the Magic are willing to part with anything of value since FVV and GTJ will both be free agents this summer (theoretically).

But giving up expiring contracts (Bamba, Harris, Ross, Hampton, etc) and non lotto picks would be fine. I just don't know what Toronto's appetite is on getting *something* back versus potentially losing one of these guys for nothing.

[Raptors Realtor]

Orlando is an exciting young team that needs a few years more to develop. As I ask above, why would you give up ANY assets and a favourable draft slot to acquire Fred THIS year? It doesn't make sense to me. Just ride it out another few months, potentially draft a superstar, and sign Fred in the off season. Maybe work out a sign and trade if it makes it easier than clearing cap space outright. Raps are used to doing that with Florida teams.

We're in agreement. I don't think the Magic are willing to part with anything of value since FVV and GTJ will both be free agents this summer (theoretically).

But giving up expiring contracts (Bamba, Harris, Ross, Hampton, etc) and non lotto picks would be fine. I just don't know what Toronto's appetite is on getting *something* back versus potentially losing one of these guys for nothing.

I understand your take, but I doubt Raptors would be inclined to trade FVV or Trent for one or any combination of those guys. I think Masai could get more from playoff contenders, or just hold onto them or even re-sign and trade them later, as opposed to taking back non impact players.

[Raptorfan2012]

Personally... I do think Orlando is legitimately interested in VanVleet.

However, the Magic are going to be one of the few teams that can create the kind of cap space that it would take to offer FVV a contract he'd be willing to sign this summer.

So IMO there's virtually no chance the Magic are going to give up significant assets for a guy they could just potentially sign in 6 months or potentially lose to another team in 6 months too.

If the price is low/moderate, I think a deal could happen (same for GTJ). But if it goes beyond that low/moderate price tag, I think the Magic will just wait and instead look to chase in free agency.

Its all in the definition of significant assets. I dont think the Magic will include first round picks but probably one of the 4 pgs you guys have plus Mo Bamba plus one more salary filler like Harris.

[ForeverTFC]

Orlando is an exciting young team that needs a few years more to develop. As I ask above, why would you give up ANY assets and a favourable draft slot to acquire Fred THIS year? It doesn't make sense to me. Just ride it out another few months, potentially draft a superstar, and sign Fred in the off season. Maybe work out a sign and trade if it makes it easier than clearing cap space outright. Raps are used to doing that with Florida teams.

We're in agreement. I don't think the Magic are willing to part with anything of value since FVV and GTJ will both be free agents this summer (theoretically).

But giving up expiring contracts (Bamba, Harris, Ross, Hampton, etc) and non lotto picks would be fine. I just don't know what Toronto's appetite is on getting *something* back versus potentially losing one of these guys for nothing.

That's the wrong way to look at it. Trading for him now takes out the biggest competitor to sign him: the Raptors. It also gives them the ability to negotiate the extension free of competition from all other teams interested in him next year. If the Magic want FVV, there is real value here. Their odds of having him next year are substantially higher if they get him at this deadline. That's the Raptors' leverage.

[Knightro]

Let's put it this way...

I'm not sure what Weltman's willing to do, but if some combination of Fultz, Anthony, Harris, Ross, Bamba, Bol, Okeke, Houstan and 2nd rounders could get it done, then great. Let's do it now.

If that doesn't work, then I'd rather the Magic just wait and try and sign FVV (or GTJ) this summer.

[Knightro]

That's the wrong way to look at it. Trading for him now takes out the biggest competitor to sign him: the Raptors. It also gives them the ability to negotiate the extension free of competition from all other teams interested in him next year. If the Magic want FVV, there is real value here. Their odds of having him next year are substantially higher if they get him at this deadline. That's the Raptors' leverage.

No I get it. And I don't disagree with you at all.

I just don't think that's a price the Magic willing to pay when they can just wait and present Fred a contract for 4/120 (or whatever it would be) in June.

If he doesn't take it, so be it, they're not out anything.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Let's put it this way...

I'm not sure what Weltman's willing to do, but if some combination of Fultz, Anthony, Harris, Ross, Bamba, Bol, Okeke, Houstan and 2nd rounders could get it done, then great. Let's do it now.

If that doesn't work, then I'd rather the Magic just wait and try and sign FVV (or GTJ) this summer.

We have bird rights, so now or later you'll have to pay the piper.

[dagger]

Here's something else to keep in mind. Masai has a rationale decision he can make to do nothing at the deadline. He could also trade OG on draft night or during the summer when more teams have picks and a desire to reconfigure their teams. He might do sign and trades for Fred and Gary at the start of free agency.

Worst case scenario with do-nothing at the deadline? Fred and Gary walk and Masai gets nothing. Well, here's the thing. If both of those two walk, the Raptors could have a boatload of cap space. I mean, a lot. Even after adding draft picks, worst case is $25 million in cap space, which could be expanded by $3-4 million by stretch waiving Otto Porter or Khem Birch. (This is a good time to do stretch waivers because the cap jump in their summer of 2025 is going to be spectacular, so a couple of million still on the books isn't going to have a significant impact). At the very least, the amount of cap space Fred and Gary leaving would create could allow Masai/Bobby to build a better bench, maybe take on a Kevin Huerter type in a trade (i.e. a decent value player another team has to dump for financial reasons.) Or make an offer for an RFA he likes. Or take on a bad contract with an draft carrot attached.

[douggood]

Let's put it this way...

I'm not sure what Weltman's willing to do, but if some combination of Fultz, Anthony, Harris, Ross, Bamba, Bol, Okeke, Houstan and 2nd rounders could get it done, then great. Let's do it now.

If that doesn't work, then I'd rather the Magic just wait and try and sign FVV (or GTJ) this summer.

We have bird rights, so now or later you'll have to pay the piper.

and the magic have cap space.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Let's put it this way...

I'm not sure what Weltman's willing to do, but if some combination of Fultz, Anthony, Harris, Ross, Bamba, Bol, Okeke, Houstan and 2nd rounders could get it done, then great. Let's do it now.

If that doesn't work, then I'd rather the Magic just wait and try and sign FVV (or GTJ) this summer.

We have bird rights, so now or later you'll have to pay the piper.

and the magic have cap space.

IF he makes FA. For that to play out, things need to go a certain way.

It's not looking that way, given he just dumped his agent.

[mrdressup]

We'd be crazy to want to resign Fred at this point. If you can move him you move him. If you can get an instant solid bench for him you do that, and then you use your other assets (like OG) to get a real point guard and some shooting. Fred is just not going to net you much, and with the win-at-all cost approach we have we aren't likely to be drafting anywhere but near 10th. I'd happily take 2 or 3 solid guys +2nd for Fred and call it dodging a bullet.

[douggood]

We have bird rights, so now or later you'll have to pay the piper.

and the magic have cap space.

IF he makes FA. For that to play out, things need to go a certain way.

It's not looking that way, given he just dumped his agent.

he is making fa unless he agrees to 4 year 115 deal with raptors.
any other team he gets traded to cannot sign the same extension.