Woj: Raptors begin wide ranging coaching search.

[WuTang_CMB]

Call me crazy - I now believe it's Nash. I think Redick joins him

I think they want out of box, connectivity with players

[WuTang_CMB]

Kenny Atkinson just jumped to +500 (from +700) ... now tied with Sergio
Nash +550

[islandboy53]

Pretty sure we have a coach a week before the draft.

We will. We’ll also have a coach 2 weeks before the draft.

[ATLTimekeeper]

You've got some exemplary functional fixedness. Derek Fisher and Steve Kerr are championship winning starting PGs. Positions don't matter. Role, balance, and offensive structure matters most. Just because PGs tend to run the pnr doesn't mean that they have to run the pnr.

Someone has to run PnR. It's the most common offensive play in the NBA half court. Teams that run less are either running heavy post-up, heavy isolation offense. Neither of those suits Scottie all that well, unless he of course goes from an inefficient post-up and isolation player to an efficient one by next year. (btw) Steve Kerr was a shooting guard with 30 career starts in 900 games.

If Scottie can't do it, don't force it. Short roll, elbow hub. Give Dowtinn a screen to get downhill, he's fast and will bring help if he can figure out players going under the screen. Note that I'm using Dowtin as an example not because he's a PG but because he can handle and he's quick. Ball control and speed is the attribute that guards tend to have that allows them to be playmakers.

Ish Smith was the fastest guy in the NBA with the ball in his hands for over a decade, so I think you've oversimplified. fwiw, pretty much everyone that's any good in the NBA at getting downhill also has a pull-up jumper or floater. That's how it works. You have maybe Ja, Zion and Giannis. Otherwise you're TJ McConnell/Ben Simmons and teams just guard passing lanes. NBA defenses are adjusting more within games, so if you're shot is off they're waiting for you at the rim.

Truly didn't know Gabe was a PG but that doesn't refute my point.

You said positions don't matter and didn't even know what he did for the Heat.

[TRik]

Just hire someone already. Well run organisations have coaching staff communicating offseason development plans with players….during the offseason.

[douggood]

Just hire someone already. Well run organisations have coaching staff communicating offseason development plans with players….during the offseason.

a lot of development coaches are still around, sann, hines, probably the 905 staff among others. that being said most players have own trainers for the summer.

[will]

Where you at, Jerry Stackhouse?

[TRik]

Just hire someone already. Well run organisations have coaching staff communicating offseason development plans with players….during the offseason.

a lot of development coaches are still around, sann, hines, probably the 905 staff among others. that being said most players have own trainers for the summer.

I appreciate that. I’m just saying the head coach and their main assistants are integral in setting the individual offseason priorities that relate to how the team aims to play next year.

[WuTang_CMB]

Kenny Atkinson just jumped to +500 (from +700) ... now tied with Sergio
Nash +550

Kenny +360 now ..

[douggood]

Just hire someone already. Well run organisations have coaching staff communicating offseason development plans with players….during the offseason.

a lot of development coaches are still around, sann, hines, probably the 905 staff among others. that being said most players have own trainers for the summer.

I appreciate that. I’m just saying the head coach and their main assistants are integral in setting the individual offseason priorities that relate to how the team aims to play next year.

outside of a generic; go improve handles, add weight, better shooting etc, i dont know what else a coach can tell a player to work on in the summer. its not like they will tell him we will play more zone next year so work on ..... something for that.

[ATLTimekeeper]

There's been two coaching hires, so it can't be that critical to player development in the summer.

[OakleyDokely]

There's been two coaching hires, so it can't be that critical to player development in the summer.

Only 2 of 6 positions have been filled so far.

DET - VACANT
PHI - VACANT
PHX- VACANT
TOR - VACANT
HOU - Ime Udoka
MIL - Adrian Griffin

[Spates]

You've got some exemplary functional fixedness. Derek Fisher and Steve Kerr are championship winning starting PGs. Positions don't matter. Role, balance, and offensive structure matters most. Just because PGs tend to run the pnr doesn't mean that they have to run the pnr.

Someone has to run PnR. It's the most common offensive play in the NBA half court. Teams that run less are either running heavy post-up, heavy isolation offense. Neither of those suits Scottie all that well, unless he of course goes from an inefficient post-up and isolation player to an efficient one by next year. (btw) Steve Kerr was a shooting guard with 30 career starts in 900 games.

If Scottie can't do it, don't force it. Short roll, elbow hub. Give Dowtinn a screen to get downhill, he's fast and will bring help if he can figure out players going under the screen. Note that I'm using Dowtin as an example not because he's a PG but because he can handle and he's quick. Ball control and speed is the attribute that guards tend to have that allows them to be playmakers.

Ish Smith was the fastest guy in the NBA with the ball in his hands for over a decade, so I think you've oversimplified. fwiw, pretty much everyone that's any good in the NBA at getting downhill also has a pull-up jumper or floater. That's how it works. You have maybe Ja, Zion and Giannis. Otherwise you're TJ McConnell/Ben Simmons and teams just guard passing lanes. NBA defenses are adjusting more within games, so if you're shot is off they're waiting for you at the rim.

Truly didn't know Gabe was a PG but that doesn't refute my point.

You said positions don't matter and didn't even know what he did for the Heat.

You're not really paying attention to what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting Scottie run PNRs, I'm saying we should figure out how to maximize his strengths and the strengths of others. PNRs are utilized for its advantage creation. It's not mandatory. If you don't have people who can run it well. Then don't. Fred isn't proficient enough to lament his loss because of the PNR. The offense isn't good anyways. Denver, Sacramento, and GSW used the least pNRs this year... Do have a problem with their offense?

It's not all speed. Pace, change of speed, change of direction, etc. Do I really need to explain further? Dowtin has got a bit of herky jerky. I want to see him get an opportunity. I think you're actually oversimplifying things. It's about leveraging creation opportunities.

Also, I didn't know Gabe was a PG but I could describe his game to you..... What matters more — knowing what a player does on the court or knowing the position they're labelled with?

[TRik]

a lot of development coaches are still around, sann, hines, probably the 905 staff among others. that being said most players have own trainers for the summer.

I appreciate that. I’m just saying the head coach and their main assistants are integral in setting the individual offseason priorities that relate to how the team aims to play next year.

outside of a generic; go improve handles, add weight, better shooting etc, i dont know what else a coach can tell a player to work on in the summer. its not like they will tell him we will play more zone next year so work on ..... something for that.

I 100 percent think stuff like that happens. Scottie for instance….will the next coaching staff want to have him facilitate through the pick and roll and should he focus more on that development? Vs maybe they want to have him facilitate through the post and would ask he focus more on that development.

[bobbyp3588]

“Yeah Raps could be waiting for Phoenix to hire. If Jordi, then young. If Young, then Jordi. “

Do you really believe this? That would be insane….

“This is a tough call. I like them both. Let’s let the other guys choose first and hope they choose poorly. “

Is that what you’re suggesting is going on? Our whole FO should be let go of this is the case. Lol.

Proactive beats reactive every time.

[niQ]

Kenny Atkinson just jumped to +500 (from +700) ... now tied with Sergio
Nash +550

Kenny +360 now ..

What do they knowww?

[Dalek]

Another option that is less talked about is Kevin Young from the Suns. He is a guy in a holding pattern as Isbia decides on him or Nurse, based on what has been reported. This is a good little backgrounder on Young:

Watch on YouTube

Kevin Young:
-Big into offensive rebounding that was a shift for the Suns which he suggested
-Free flowing offense with next action ideas if primary option is taken away
-Almost 10 years of experience in G-League (in 2011, Young replaced Nick Nurse as head coach of the Iowa Energy)
-Assistant coach to Doc Rivers and Monty Williams

“One, you have to have an appropriate edge to be the leader of an NBA locker room,’’ Lange said. “He has it. It’s not over the top. It goes actually more with humility. But he is not afraid of the confrontation or the moment or the conversation.

“Two, he’s incredibly well-studied. A guy like KD or Book will respect the fact that his strategies and tactics are rooted in preparation.

“Three, he understands the NBA’s a player’s league and above that, a superstar’s league. At least from an offensive standpoint, he’s going to be creative to whatever that person’s unique skill sets are. His philosophy will be built around their skill sets, not the other way around. And at the same point, he’ll make sure that what he has is appropriate for the rest of the team.”

https://theathletic.com/4551012/2023/05/25/kevin-young-suns-head-coach/?amp=1

He isn't a flashy hirer, but he has a long coaching resume and is well-respected at the Suns to be a HC finalist.

Yeah Raps could be waiting for Phoenix to hire. If Jordi, then young. If Young, then Jordi.

Or could be Adelman or Quinn.

Or Sergio.

If I keep throwing names then I can say, “See! I told ya!”

I think in the end it is Sergio for Toronto. I also think the Suns go with Young. People like to have some familiarity with coaches they bring in. I just wanted to mention Young because he has this weird twinning thing with Nurse (coached in the UK, G-league for the same team, assistant coaches who probably outshined their head coaches).

Regarding the others: Redick, from the interviews I have heard with him is just putting his name out there. On one podcast he openly questioned if he is ready to coach and give up his easy-going media lifestyle because he likes to golf with his buddies. He sounded like a weak coaching candidate whose main coaching experience is coaching his kid's team.

Nash also never seemed like he even wanted to really coach and he only did so when KD and Kyrie pushed for him. I see the PR opportunity, but is Nash really a guy who wants to grind out coaching this team of non-offensive talents? Man knows little about defense.

Vogel and Atkinson are just NBA retreads who are smart but nothing special. Sergio gets some extra juice for me because of his Eurobasket title and his constant winning. We were lucky to have such a talented assistant coach. He seems to be the most qualified and a coach who is innovative and gets everything out of his teams. Masai always talks about winning, and he would be the biggest winner.

[ash_k]

Nash and Frank Vogel (as his top assistant, to take care of the defense), I could work with that. With this roster, we have to be an elite defensive team.

[WuTang_CMB]

Atkinson gaining steam. Could be that the final list leaked and people laying $ on him thinking he'll beat out

[Quattro]

Kenny Atkinson just jumped to +500 (from +700) ... now tied with Sergio
Nash +550

Kenny +360 now ..

What do they knowww?

The better question is "who is a degenerate enough gambler to put money on who the raptors hire as hear coach?".