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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:17 pm
by kalel123
Just realized draft lottery is tomorrow. Don't know what to think. I guess if it has to be, I'd rather we get #1 pick or get bumped out of top 6. Nothing inbetween.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:29 pm
by PushDaRock
grant101 wrote:Scottie's fav.
Still a big fan of Mogbo and could see him being the pick at 31 (though would prefer if we could snag him with a later pick or as a UDFA). Also, if that shot is real (his form always looked good to me), it's a game changer
There are maybe some Siakam similarities in that he's an older late bloomer that looks to still have some untapped upside that gets overlooked due to his age. The 2 stand out improvement areas were the passing going from 1.4 to 3.6 APG on a negative A/TO ratio to 2:1 which is staggering. Then you also have the FT shooting going from 43% to 69%. The passing ability is very intriguing, it's not typical at all his size and athleticism and we clearly really value passing on this team so the fit seems perfect especially when you factor in this team doesn't even have another 4 on this team outside of Scottie.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:52 pm
by ATLTimekeeper
Dalek wrote:Psubs wrote:Dalek wrote:This post shocked me a bit and really makes me more of a KJ Simpson backer at 31. This guy pulled dribble jumper data which is a marker for self creation and he really stands out.
Reed Sheppard has elite percentages but KJ nearly doubled his shot totals and is still over 40%. Is the one inch of difference all that much between these two?
Reed can dunk more but KJ's 1st step looks elite. KJ might be better value at #31.
Reed had 5/6 dunks vs KJ who had 11/15. Also a 27 FTR to 36 FTR favoring KJ. Those make me think KJ is a bigger threat at the rim.
Reed had an amazing college season like his dad did but he is a bad investment for a top ten lotto. Much rather have the older KJ at 31 but there are a number of options there.
Reed was better as a freshman than his dad was as a senior. You can still take both Reed at #6 and KJ at #31. There aren't good options at the top of this draft, which is why it's widely dumped on. Even in great drafts you're usually looking at 1/3 of the top 6 being busts.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:52 pm
by alpngso
Tristan Da Silva. Basically Santi Aldama in smaller size. Can do a lot of things. I like his shooting touch. Really enjoyed his hook shots here and there. He has active hands and reads the passing lanes well when defending.
But lacks physicality and athleticism. It worked in college, not sure if it'll work in the league. He reminds me of wacky inflatable tubeman.
I thought Aldama's tape was better and Aldama was two years younger coming out of college and he went 30th. Also probably helps he played with Cody and got more exposure among scouts and evaluators
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:34 pm
by Bruin
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:39 pm
by REJECTEDBYCLARK
When it comes to Reed ask yourself if a TJ McConnell splashing volume jumpers is a starting caliber player in the NBA. The answer should most definitely be yes.
Of course Reed has a long way to go to become a more disciplined defender and higher volume shooter. His shooting touch is special so if a team finds ways to get that volume up or he himself develops a more reliable stepback jumper and some other moves, he's going to be a keeper. There's enough in his kit and enough that can reasonably be attained in theory to justify him if the Raps keep their pick.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:40 pm
by Dalek
grant101 wrote:grant101 wrote:Scottie's fav.
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Still a big fan of Mogbo and could see him being the pick at 31 (though would prefer if we could snag him with a later pick or as a UDFA). Also, if that shot is real (his form always looked good to me), it's a game changer
I swear college roles can harm players. Mogbo was a rim runner mainly in college but he has a jumper just wasn't allowed to take it. Good to see him show because he had one in high school.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:41 pm
by ArthurVandelay
Who fits Scottie and has the skill set to play a Euro influenced style offense?
Those are the questions influencing my raptors big board
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:55 pm
by REJECTEDBYCLARK
Another thing with Reed is his BPM is without a doubt inflated because I don't want him to nor should he leave his feet to attempt some of the blocks he attempted at Kentucky at the NBA level. The strip blocks are great though, but some of those blocks increased his efficiency in a way that likely won't manifest in the NBA but this could actually be compensated for if he gets to an FVV level of stripping the ball while players are going up.
Also on offense he had incredible spacing with Reeves and Dillingham and got a whole bunch of easy swing pass assists. So ultimately his BPM needs to be taken with multiple grains of salt.
This isn't to diminish his overall outlook though, as he's a kid still and who knows how much he's capable of improving in areas where he's already highly proficient. If he were 21 or 22 I'd be more concerned about a deceptive BPM. Plus I like his HS footage he actually cooks a bit more with the ball in his hands.
Ultimately he's has excellent skills for an undersized guard as he is proficient in areas of the game which heavily impact winning more than he's questionable in areas of the game that have less of an impact on winning.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 5:13 pm
by REJECTEDBYCLARK
At the same time McCain presents a different kind of excellent mold of undersized guard who is built like a tank and can conceivably add some elements of Jalen Brunson to his game. I keep saying it but McCain is really showing an advanced understanding for a 20 year old of how to leverage his strength to gain advantages which is something Brunson and (as we all know) Lowry do very well. If you know how to do this you're a baller, period. Brunson is a different animal because he also uses exceptional footwork and a refined bag of tricks that give him just enough space to confidently splash which is all he needs anyway. But given McCain's exceptional competitiveness who is to say he won't be adding more craft to his game?
It just sucks that there are so many undersized guards that happen to have some of the most impressive skill sets and production of players in this class. Maybe in hindsight they all end up outperforming the longer/larger players against all historical probability because really they have the tools and feel and skill and intangibles to do it.
Even Devin Carter is hard to get too low on. There's a smaller chance he just regresses as a shooter and ends up a similar offensive player in terms of efficiency as Colby Jones but there are many more advantages he has going for him despite their parallel 2PT% as juniors and .001% difference on 3pt efficiency. Overall Carter displayed what he did on much more impressive volume and is trending upwards whereas Colby regressed with his FT% and was more reliant on his signature push shot from 2. Then there's Carter's athleticism and seemingly freakish wingspan. Then the NBA bloodlines. Then the floor-setting defensive ability. I don't expect Carter's defensive rebounding to be the same in the NBA but definitely he's capable of actively crashing the glass more if the team is struggling which could make those numbers pop on certain nights. I've seen people who had Colby Jones in the late teens early twenties last year who have Devin Carter in the 20's which makes no sense to me why they think Carter is inferior in a weaker draft.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 5:27 pm
by Syd-TK3
Lead us to the promised land Scottie
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 5:45 pm
by alpngso
grant101 wrote:grant101 wrote:Scottie's fav.
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Still a big fan of Mogbo and could see him being the pick at 31 (though would prefer if we could snag him with a later pick or as a UDFA). Also, if that shot is real (his form always looked good to me), it's a game changer
so basically Precious 2.0 with better playmaking skills? being a former PG
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 5:59 pm
by BoyzNTheHood
alpngso wrote:grant101 wrote:grant101 wrote:Scottie's fav.
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Still a big fan of Mogbo and could see him being the pick at 31 (though would prefer if we could snag him with a later pick or as a UDFA). Also, if that shot is real (his form always looked good to me), it's a game changer
so basically Precious 2.0 with better playmaking skills? being a former PG
You could arguably describe Scottie and Pascal the same way as well.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:08 pm
by grant101
Yallbecrazy wrote:grant101 wrote:Dalek wrote:"Every draft has one all-star."
The quick twitch athleticism is real with AJ Johnson.
AJ and Collier are the two projects I don't mind swinging on. He has all the tools to be great, I think the strength and weight come in time, my only concern is the consistent aggressiveness and motor
No concern that his shot is terrible? 54% free throw shooter.
Not really. If he fails, I don't think it's cause he can't shoot. I would trust the form. I don't have the numbers, but he played so sporadically that i doubt the sample size is very high. In any case, there's risk there, no doubt. You have to select AJ knowing he might fail and expecting him to take time.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:08 pm
by Jcity08
1 day to go
Tankathon results: 5 wins 5 loss
Wins: 1, 2, 3, 6(x2)
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:17 pm
by tdotrep2
Jcity08 wrote:1 day to go
Tankathon results: 5 wins 5 loss
Wins: 1, 2, 3, 6(x2)
i think 6 would be more depressing than anything
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:31 pm
by deeps6x
They should have switched places. Put Scottie in that back room for the 'super secret lottery auction' with MLSE's open purse strings, and we'd be walking away with the first overall pick.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:57 pm
by Syd-TK3
deeps6x wrote:They should have switched places. Put Scottie in that back room for the 'super secret lottery auction' with MLSE's open purse strings, and we'd be walking away with the first overall pick.
The whole situation is pretty interesting idk how long these two things happen between each other but Tolzman would already know the result and tell masai while scottie got sit there in suspense for tv
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:43 pm
by Rapsfan07
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Still, the best strategy for #31 is to trade it or trade down unless the Raps are nearing the end of the 1st praying some guy falls that they really like and who ultimately happens to be there on the 2nd day.
If there are like 3 guys they like near equally they can probably feel comfortable trading down 7-8 spots.
Last thing they should be doing is trading the pick. This is an easy opportunity to add some cheap quality players and there should be some potential rotation guys down there.
This draft, more than others, is going to be unpredictable. Keep #31, pick the guy you like and be done with it instead of trading down and then maybe he's gone.
Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:04 pm
by earth007
Why would they send their franchise player to potentially hand over the pick to the Spurs in an embarassing manner? Considering the circumstances, I would rather send the mop girl to rep the organization.