Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[BoyzNTheHood]

I definitely agree about Semi. His only shot at sticking with an NBA team will be as a 3.

As for Crowder comparisons, Crowder was like a top 3 advanced metrics college player in his draft. I was amazed when he fell to the second round. Semi isn't on his level.

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You never know, but look at Draymond Green, Crowder and Barton on the list above. The good advanced metrics players do tend to over achieve, no matter where they are picked in the draft.

That said, in our range, I could easily see Semi being Masai's pick. But only because we need consistent 3 point shooting from our SF backup.

I can also see him being Masai's pick, I've already said a couple of times I get the feeling it will be one of Semi or Kuzma even though I want Bolden. Semi is yet another "high character" guy that we seem to fall in love with, not to mention of Nigerian descent and yes the beloved 3 ball we're looking for but yes thank you for providing that link because it gets tiring seeing people likening Semi's potential impact to Crowder, Tucker or Gree when Semi is not considered a good defender.

He might be able to be like Crowder offensively but defensively they are not the same and considering he is almost identical physically to Crowder, he should only be considered at SF unless playing super small ball as I've been saying.

This board would go nuts going Kuzma at 23 but MU would just say "guys its a 23 pick" so go medicate. I'll take Kuzma at 23 easily.

Kuzma is just quality. Not a star, just solid.

[PhilBlackson]

As an aside personally I feel like the Fox hype is getting out of hand and that any team that passes on DS for him will regret it.

Fox's stock is being aided by the fact he played for probably the biggest name school in college basketball right now in UK (Duke, UCLA and Kansas are close) where as DS Jr made the mistake imo of attending NC State. To me it's like asking would I rather have a less agile and weaker John Wall or a 3 inches taller, bigger, more athletic and explosive Lowry. Up until this Playoffs, Lowry was right there with Wall but again these two guys, one is a poorman's and the other is a richman's. If Lowry was 3 inches taller and jumped out the building I would ever consider taking that over Wall nevermind Fox. I know that what I just wrote probably got LonzoBallin going more than anything lol but I don't get the hype around Fox, I can also see Ntilikina turning out to be a better player.

[Syd-TK3]

The wall fox comparison aren't even that good. Wall weighed like 20+ more pounds longer wingspan and shot 8% better from 3 in college on more attempts.
Probably the biggest difference is John wall is one of the best passers/floor generals in the game fox not so much

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[HeadtopChunes]

The wall fox comparison aren't even that good. Wall weighed like 20+ more pounds longer wingspan and shot 8% better from 3 in college on more attempts.
Probably the biggest difference is John wall is one of the best passers/floor generals in the game fox not so much

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Might be closer to Elfrid Payton. I think it's just speedy PG= John Wall. Personally I think DSJ will be better than him

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[Syd-TK3]

The wall fox comparison aren't even that good. Wall weighed like 20+ more pounds longer wingspan and shot 8% better from 3 in college on more attempts.
Probably the biggest difference is John wall is one of the best passers/floor generals in the game fox not so much

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Might be closer to Elfrid Payton. I think it's just speedy PG= John Wall. Personally I think DSJ will be better than him

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I think smith is better as well but I can understand fox love cause the tournament boosted his stock. He shows a strong desire to win and he's probably a "safer" pick than smith cause of his injury history and his supposed "attitude problems"

There's a good video on YouTube comparing the two.

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[MavCarter]

Fox is more mike conley than john wall imo

[S ID]

Everybody talking about Semi, how about his teammate - Sterling Brown. A reach at 23 but I feel like he's gonna a great value pick in the 2nd round.

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[HeadtopChunes]

Everybody talking about Semi, how about his teammate - Sterling Brown. A reach at 23 but I feel like he's gonna a great value pick in the 2nd round.

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I like him as a 2nd round/undrafted dude. But I'd rather have Thornwell .

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[omar36]

Don't get LonzoBallin going lol, Dennis Smith will not be on the board at 10, guaranteed. The only really good PG prospect that may be there is Ntilikina and I think he is majorly slept on just because he plays overseas. It won't surprise me one bit if he turns out to be as good or better than one of or possibly both. He's incredibly well rounded, great defender in every way, an unheard of 7'1 wingspan as a PG and a better shooter than Fox. I think trading for him would be worth it....however I'm sorry but Corey is not getting you a top 10 in any draft lol let alone one as deep as this one. Remember Jeff Teague came off an all-star season and only got the Hawks a #12 (Taurean Prince) in what was considered by far a much worse draft.

Well, true, but I never said CoJo would get you #10. I said CoJo and #23 and a needed SF might get you #10.

I agree about Frank Ntilikina. DX has him at #9 now, but if he were to drop and if we had #10, I'd be down with him as our pick. I have him on par with DSJ.

The key there would be AND a needed SF which we are in need of ourselves.

There is no deal there to be had unless we traded DeMar which there is ZERO indication of happening (LonzoBallin).

dont think we have anything really outside demar to get him. cojo is a decent player but i doubt kings want him when they rebuilding. poetl wouldnt be a good fit since they already stacked at the C. maybe you could convince vivek that bruno really is the Brazilian kd

[TorontoRapsFan]

I think semi is our 4 he definitely has the strength to play small ball 4. And I mean pretty sure he had one of the highest pick and pop percentages out of all players in each draft

Semi is both shorter and not as long as DeRozan our SHOOTING GUARD, no he would not be the solution at the 4.

Like Crowder (who is a better defender), he needs to play the 3 (period). He would only play it if the other team goes extremely small as well (ie/ GSW's "Death Lineup"). He simply is not LONG enough to guard the 4 spot on a consistent basis.

I definitely agree about Semi. His only shot at sticking with an NBA team will be as a 3.

As for Crowder comparisons, Crowder was like a top 3 advanced metrics college player in his draft. I was amazed when he fell to the second round. Semi isn't on his level.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Draft-Model3.png

You never know, but look at Draymond Green, Crowder and Barton on the list above. The good advanced metrics players do tend to over achieve, no matter where they are picked in the draft.

That said, in our range, I could easily see Semi being Masai's pick. But only because we need consistent 3 point shooting from our SF backup.

So where does Semi fall in this advanced metrics?

[DreamTeam09]

Whats with the bell hype? 6'8 undersized PF?? Granted ino nothing about him, but a 6'8 PF who isn't a scoring machine doesn't seem like the direction we should go in. Especially with Siakam / Bruno / Possibly Ibaka. Wouldn't semi or bolden make more sense than bell?

I'm noteven oppose to getting another 4 like Rabb, why Bell tho?

Someone inform me....

[HeadtopChunes]

Whats with the bell hype? 6'8 undersized PF?? Granted ino nothing about him, but a 6'8 PF who isn't a scoring machine doesn't seem like the direction we should go in. Especially with Siakam / Bruno / Possibly Ibaka. Wouldn't semi or bolden make more sense than bell?

I'm noteven oppose to getting another 4 like Rabb, why Bell tho?

Someone inform me....

Bell is a really good Defender. Some say he's got DPOY potential. He also turns into a rebounding machine sometimes but isn't consistent with it. He had a very good vertical and some elite lateral quickness for a big. He's also a decent passer.

He also shows some promise with his shot but it's not where it needs to be right now.

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[WeTheNorth123]

Fox is more mike conley than john wall imo

Would strongly disagree with this

Mike Conely - Height W/O shoes - 5-11 (3/4)

De'Aaron Fox - height W/O shoes = 6-2

a taller mike conely is a pretty impressive get, He (i think) is more athletic then Conely (just from eye, cant confirm because theres no atheletic/vertical jump) data on them

I also think fox had better stats

[PhilBlackson]

Whats with the bell hype? 6'8 undersized PF?? Granted ino nothing about him, but a 6'8 PF who isn't a scoring machine doesn't seem like the direction we should go in. Especially with Siakam / Bruno / Possibly Ibaka. Wouldn't semi or bolden make more sense than bell?

I'm noteven oppose to getting another 4 like Rabb, why Bell tho?

Someone inform me....

Bell is a really good Defender. Some say he's got DPOY potential. He also turns into a rebounding machine sometimes but isn't consistent with it. He had a very good vertical and some elite lateral quickness for a big. He's also a decent passer.

He also shows some promise with his shot but it's not where it needs to be right now.

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I'm trying to find the wording without this getting blown out of proportion lol but Bell imo physically reminds me quite bit of very slightly smaller LeBron (has NONE of his offensive ability). Crazy thing is they're within a quarter inch of each other in most measurements (with LBJ actually being bigger, what a beast). But similar (not exact) type of athleticism with LBJ obviously being the better one. But that's the closest thing I can think of, is imagining someone with a LBJ like build and athleticism (again not quite) that focuses purely on defence and obviously he doesn't have LBJ's bball IQ either but nonetheless a player like that has the physical ability to be fairly elite defensively, the issue will be can he not be a total liability offensively. He would be a perfect addition to a place like GS or HOU. I don't think our offence is good enough to incorporate him. If the guy had a jumper teams would be salivating over him.

[PhilBlackson]

Fox is more mike conley than john wall imo

Would strongly disagree with this

Mike Conely - Height W/O shoes - 5-11 (3/4)

De'Aaron Fox - height W/O shoes = 6-2

a taller mike conely is a pretty impressive get, He (i think) is more athletic then Conely (just from eye, cant confirm because theres no atheletic/vertical jump) data on them

I also think fox had better stats

I think Conley's level of success in the league isn't a bad projection for how well Fox may do though. But yeah I would still favour Fox's comparison as a poorman's Wall since John still is bigger/stronger, longer and more agile. But Fox's claim to fame is his speed. I think Fox can carve out a spot as one of the better PGs in the league but I think if a team takes him over Dennis Smith they've made a big mistake. Again Fox has the fortune of attending the biggest name school in all of college basketball where as DS Jr made a poor decision (imo) to attend NC State.

But DS Jr to me is like Kyle Lowry on steroids (lowry/Baron Davis hybrid)...I can't imagine how much better Kyle would be if he was 3 inches taller and super explosive like that. It would take him to a whole new level in the league. People get caught up in the unbelievable hops but DS is crafty as hell, understands the game very well (son of a coach). I still give the edge to Ball as the best PG in the draft because he understands how to use his team much better but personally I favour both DS Jr and Ntilikina (not sure of a clear comparison but physically he has a the type of physical advantages at his position that Giannis does at SF/PF) over Fox for long term potential.

[ill-Will03]

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Disclaimer: not saying this guy even knows what he's talking about but interesting video nonetheless.

[PhilBlackson]

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Disclaimer: not saying this guy even knows what he's talking about but interesting video nonetheless.

Seen this before.

CRAPPY COMPARISON that he makes.

I hate that he likens him to Draymond without any actual metrics to support it.

Because in reality, they don't compare defensively. Him throwing out on this vid is nothing more than his heresay that isn't substantiated by any numbers. FACT is Green averaged more blocks and steals in college and was known as a VERY good defender even then, Semi was not.

Not to mention Draymond is LONGER which allows him to guard 4s well, Semi will be strong enough to not get thrown around but his length will be the issue for players to shoot or go over him. But yeah the rest is a decent piece on what he does well offensively.

[HeadtopChunes]

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Disclaimer: not saying this guy even knows what he's talking about but interesting video nonetheless.

Seen this before.

CRAPPY COMPARISON that he makes.

I hate that he likens him to Draymond without any actual metrics to support it.

Because in reality, they don't compare defensively. Him throwing out on this vid is nothing more than his heresay that isn't substantiated by any numbers. FACT is Green averaged more blocks and steals in college and was known as a VERY good defender even then.

Not to mention Draymond is LONGER which allows him to guard 4s well, Semi will be strong enough to not get thrown around but his length will be the issue for players to shoot or go over him.

I feel like Draymond is thrown around way too often in general. Draymond is a very unique player finding a version of him is very difficult

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[PhilBlackson]

Watch on YouTube

Disclaimer: not saying this guy even knows what he's talking about but interesting video nonetheless.

Seen this before.

CRAPPY COMPARISON that he makes.

I hate that he likens him to Draymond without any actual metrics to support it.

Because in reality, they don't compare defensively. Him throwing out on this vid is nothing more than his heresay that isn't substantiated by any numbers. FACT is Green averaged more blocks and steals in college and was known as a VERY good defender even then.

Not to mention Draymond is LONGER which allows him to guard 4s well, Semi will be strong enough to not get thrown around but his length will be the issue for players to shoot or go over him.

I feel like Draymond is thrown around way too often in general. Draymond is a very unique player finding a version of him is very difficult

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Agreed.

Him and Millsap, are fairly distinct in their strength and length (major key alert) to play the 4.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

The thing with Ojeleye is that he played a lot of PF in college. He himself has admitted it's going to be an adjustment for him to play SF in the NBA. I think he can make the transition, but nevertheless, he will have to make that move. He can be either Jae Crowder if does adjust to the NBA SF position, or as one of the posters here mentioned, I could see Joey Graham, too. I do think he's very much in play for the pick at 23.