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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1941 » by Psubs » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:13 pm

PrinceAli wrote:I wonder if Memphis would do Norm for Winslow. He’s on an expiring (team option) and fits a position of need (backup 3 and 4) and would give us another ball handler


The ideal would be a 1st pick with an expiring that doesn't need to be re-signed or can be resigned for like 1/4 of the current salary. That would keep costs low for free agency.
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Post#1942 » by douggood » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:18 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
mademan wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:I wonder if Memphis would do Norm for Winslow. He’s on an expiring (team option) and fits a position of need (backup 3 and 4) and would give us another ball handler


that guy plays like 10 games a year

Aside from last season and his 2nd year he played 78 games as a rookie and 68 and 66 games in his 3rd and 4th year

Not like Norm hasn’t had his fair share of injuries

difference between having a bad back vs dislocating shoulder during play, or what ever other injuries powell had during playing.

powell can be listed has having bad luck, vs winslow just having a bad back/hips that will crop up every so often.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1943 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:26 pm

douggood wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
mademan wrote:
that guy plays like 10 games a year

Aside from last season and his 2nd year he played 78 games as a rookie and 68 and 66 games in his 3rd and 4th year

Not like Norm hasn’t had his fair share of injuries

difference between having a bad back vs dislocating shoulder during play, or what ever other injuries he had during playing.

powell can be listed has having bad luck, vs winslow just having a bad back/hips that will crop up every so often.


Funny, I was just wondering the same thing. I think we were all impressed with Winslow playing C in the 2016 series after Whiteside (and JV) went down. But his 3 point shooting percentage has taken a huge dive in the last two year. Is that correctable? The injuries would also be a source of concern - but we have Alex for that.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1944 » by mademan » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:11 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
mademan wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:I wonder if Memphis would do Norm for Winslow. He’s on an expiring (team option) and fits a position of need (backup 3 and 4) and would give us another ball handler


that guy plays like 10 games a year

Aside from last season and his 2nd year he played 78 games as a rookie and 68 and 66 games in his 3rd and 4th year

Not like Norm hasn’t had his fair share of injuries


so remove 40% of the years he's played and he's a healthy guy who only misses like 15 games a year.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1945 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:26 pm

Wow I didn't even see that the heat signed Paul Eboua

They got a lot of players I'd expect Masai to want
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Post#1946 » by Denisaur9 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:35 pm

I wouldn't be shocked at a McCaw or Stanley+for Richaun Holmes.

Sac has an abundance of bigs and were deep in guards.

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Post#1947 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:40 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:I wouldn't be shocked at a McCaw or Stanley+for Richaun Holmes.

Sac has an abundance of bigs and were deep in guards.

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Ya i was really hoping for this but i wonder if they would want to block up 2 roster spots
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Post#1948 » by Psubs » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:09 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:I wouldn't be shocked at a McCaw or Stanley+for Richaun Holmes.

Sac has an abundance of bigs and were deep in guards.

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Hope for that but they should be able to get a 2nd rounder for that.

McCaw and Stanley for expiring Jabari Parker they might do.
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Post#1949 » by MessiahUjiri » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:10 pm

If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.


Why for Milwaukee:
If the Bucks are going to reckon with a Giannis trade, they will want to use the opportunity to dump Middleton's contract, who at 30 years old is owed nearly $140 million in the next 4 years. In this trade, they get a young All NBA player (Siakam), a 2 way starting point guard (Fred), an expiring vet (Norm), and a young guard who is coming off the All Rookie team (Davis). The picks are added compensation. For a franchise that hasn't had much success in free agency, the best part may be the fact that both Siakam and Fred are locked in for 4 years.


Why for Toronto:
Giannis offers a higher ceiling, period. Emptying out the entire roster of young assets hurts, and the Middleton contract is going to hurt in a few years, but that's the cost of getting an MVP player. Toronto only does this trade if they have an agreement that Giannis will re-sign/extend beyond this season.


Bucks compete with a core around Fred VV, Jrue Holiday, and Pascal Siakam. Lopez provides veteran presence, and they rebuild while being a playoff team with young assets.

Toronto competes with a core of a Lowry (resigned), Middleton, Anunoby, and Giannis (re-signed).

Lowry/Flynn
Middleton/Bembry
Anunoby/McCaw
Giannis/Boucher
Baynes
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Post#1950 » by Red_Claw » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:24 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.


Why for Milwaukee:
If the Bucks are going to reckon with a Giannis trade, they will want to use the opportunity to dump Middleton's contract, who at 30 years old is owed nearly $140 million in the next 4 years. In this trade, they get a young All NBA player (Siakam), a 2 way starting point guard (Fred), an expiring vet (Norm), and a young guard who is coming off the All Rookie team (Davis). The picks are added compensation. For a franchise that hasn't had much success in free agency, the best part may be the fact that both Siakam and Fred are locked in for 4 years.


Why for Toronto:
Giannis offers a higher ceiling, period. Emptying out the entire roster of young assets hurts, and the Middleton contract is going to hurt in a few years, but that's the cost of getting an MVP player. Toronto only does this trade if they have an agreement that Giannis will re-sign/extend beyond this season.


Bucks compete with a core around Fred VV, Jrue Holiday, and Pascal Siakam. Lopez provides veteran presence, and they rebuild while being a playoff team with young assets.

Toronto competes with a core of a Lowry (resigned), Middleton, Anunoby, and Giannis (re-signed).

Lowry/Flynn
Middleton/Bembry
Anunoby/McCaw
Giannis/Boucher
Baynes


IMO, this trade is actually:

Fred. Norm Powell and Terence Davis
For
Middleton

....and thats just not right cause i wouldn't trade Fred for Middleton straight.
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Post#1951 » by MessiahUjiri » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:26 pm

Red_Claw wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.


Why for Milwaukee:
If the Bucks are going to reckon with a Giannis trade, they will want to use the opportunity to dump Middleton's contract, who at 30 years old is owed nearly $140 million in the next 4 years. In this trade, they get a young All NBA player (Siakam), a 2 way starting point guard (Fred), an expiring vet (Norm), and a young guard who is coming off the All Rookie team (Davis). The picks are added compensation. For a franchise that hasn't had much success in free agency, the best part may be the fact that both Siakam and Fred are locked in for 4 years.


Why for Toronto:
Giannis offers a higher ceiling, period. Emptying out the entire roster of young assets hurts, and the Middleton contract is going to hurt in a few years, but that's the cost of getting an MVP player. Toronto only does this trade if they have an agreement that Giannis will re-sign/extend beyond this season.


Bucks compete with a core around Fred VV, Jrue Holiday, and Pascal Siakam. Lopez provides veteran presence, and they rebuild while being a playoff team with young assets.

Toronto competes with a core of a Lowry (resigned), Middleton, Anunoby, and Giannis (re-signed).

Lowry/Flynn
Middleton/Bembry
Anunoby/McCaw
Giannis/Boucher
Baynes


IMO, this trade is actually:

Fred. Norm Powell and Terence Davis
For
Middleton

....and thats just not right cause i wouldn't trade Fred for Middleton straight.



The whole point of the trade is Giannis. I don't know what you're doing by trying to create a separate trade without the main piece. Everything else is just balancing out value around trading the league MVP.
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Post#1952 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:43 pm

Red_Claw wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.


Why for Milwaukee:
If the Bucks are going to reckon with a Giannis trade, they will want to use the opportunity to dump Middleton's contract, who at 30 years old is owed nearly $140 million in the next 4 years. In this trade, they get a young All NBA player (Siakam), a 2 way starting point guard (Fred), an expiring vet (Norm), and a young guard who is coming off the All Rookie team (Davis). The picks are added compensation. For a franchise that hasn't had much success in free agency, the best part may be the fact that both Siakam and Fred are locked in for 4 years.


Why for Toronto:
Giannis offers a higher ceiling, period. Emptying out the entire roster of young assets hurts, and the Middleton contract is going to hurt in a few years, but that's the cost of getting an MVP player. Toronto only does this trade if they have an agreement that Giannis will re-sign/extend beyond this season.


Bucks compete with a core around Fred VV, Jrue Holiday, and Pascal Siakam. Lopez provides veteran presence, and they rebuild while being a playoff team with young assets.

Toronto competes with a core of a Lowry (resigned), Middleton, Anunoby, and Giannis (re-signed).

Lowry/Flynn
Middleton/Bembry
Anunoby/McCaw
Giannis/Boucher
Baynes


IMO, this trade is actually:

Fred. Norm Powell and Terence Davis
For
Middleton

....and thats just not right cause i wouldn't trade Fred for Middleton straight.


all i see is BS considering Raptors upgraded Siakam to Giannis. FVV and Siakam alone does not net you Giannis. :lol: :lol: :lol:
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1953 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:47 pm

onto another rumour that Raptors would like to pursue Batum:

Read on Twitter
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I don't know why Batum would go to the Clippers and vice versa. I see limited upside here for both parties.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1954 » by Red_Claw » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:07 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.


Why for Milwaukee:
If the Bucks are going to reckon with a Giannis trade, they will want to use the opportunity to dump Middleton's contract, who at 30 years old is owed nearly $140 million in the next 4 years. In this trade, they get a young All NBA player (Siakam), a 2 way starting point guard (Fred), an expiring vet (Norm), and a young guard who is coming off the All Rookie team (Davis). The picks are added compensation. For a franchise that hasn't had much success in free agency, the best part may be the fact that both Siakam and Fred are locked in for 4 years.


Why for Toronto:
Giannis offers a higher ceiling, period. Emptying out the entire roster of young assets hurts, and the Middleton contract is going to hurt in a few years, but that's the cost of getting an MVP player. Toronto only does this trade if they have an agreement that Giannis will re-sign/extend beyond this season.


Bucks compete with a core around Fred VV, Jrue Holiday, and Pascal Siakam. Lopez provides veteran presence, and they rebuild while being a playoff team with young assets.

Toronto competes with a core of a Lowry (resigned), Middleton, Anunoby, and Giannis (re-signed).

Lowry/Flynn
Middleton/Bembry
Anunoby/McCaw
Giannis/Boucher
Baynes


IMO, this trade is actually:

Fred. Norm Powell and Terence Davis
For
Middleton

....and thats just not right cause i wouldn't trade Fred for Middleton straight.


all i see is BS considering Raptors upgraded Siakam to Giannis. FVV and Siakam alone does not net you Giannis. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I wouldn't give up anything more than Siakam, 2021,2023 FRPs and 2022 switch for Giannis this season. If Milwaukee is even considering trading Giannis before the offseason, they know he's not staying. Teams that know they don't have a chance resigning Giannis won't bother trying to trade for him mid season so its probably between Miami and Toronto. I think that our deal would just have to be better than Miami's and i don't think they would be willing to pass on anything more than the equivalent of the deal i suggested.
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Post#1955 » by witnessraps » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:15 pm

Siakam powell 3 picks 3 swaps for harden. Sign giannis in fa. Lowry/fred/harden/og/giannis/malachi/baynes/Boucher


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Post#1956 » by LJKO » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:36 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:If Giannis doesn't extend with Milwaukee, here's a potential mid season trade:

Giannis Antetokoumpo and Khris Middleton
for
Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, Norm Powell, Terence Davis, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 pick swap rights.

WTF would we want Middleton?
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Post#1957 » by raptorstime » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:28 pm

Beal would be the dream
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Post#1958 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:14 am

raptorstime wrote:Beal would be the dream


:banghead: :giveup:

people just come in here and repeat the same thing over and over again? and how many times we have to say Beal is not being traded. :lol:
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1959 » by raptorstime » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:38 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
raptorstime wrote:Beal would be the dream


:banghead: :giveup:

people just come in here and repeat the same thing over and over again? and how many times we have to say Beal is not being traded. :lol:

Let a man dream :lol: :noway:
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1960 » by VanWest82 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:46 am

If Gannis extends and we make the decision internally that Norm isn't coming back either way...

Norm + Baynes + McCaw + future 2nd for LMA.

It's a stopgap solution for our front court but it'd allow us to actually compete this year and maybe next if he wanted to extend. Spurs get something for someone they're probably going to lose anyway.

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