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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1941 » by Indeed » Tue May 3, 2022 2:23 pm

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You mentioned Dalen Terry so I will use it as an excuse to further discuss the fit for Toronto.

Terry was the Arizona glue guy so his numbers don't jump off the page, but on a team of stars like Koloko, Mathurin and vets, he stood out in two areas that Toronto will love:

On defence as a guy who can switch screens and cause havoc in passing lanes.
On offence, he is a jet in transition scoring in the 91st percentile and acting as a smart pick and roll facilitator (nearly 4-1 A/TO ratio)

That is pretty much the way Toronto wants to play being fast and guarding hard. I don't like his jump shot, but he did hit 36% so he has a stand still shot that can be worked on so that he can spread the floor. I think people like to comp him to Herb Jones given his ball facilitation and defence in college but I see the closest easy comp to De'Anthony Melton. A very good back-up who in time might start - kid is still only 19 is 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and great vertical. It is almost criminal he is ranked so low right now.



Interesting prospect. He has good passing ability with change of speed. Just not sure would teams go under the screen against him.
The biggest question is, do we continue to draft non-shooter? Is he a bit similar to Banton, while Banton would be more capable of creating his own shot if he gets his jump shot working, and Terry would be more a passer if he gets his jump shot working.



I like Terry. Reminds me of a slightly longer Delon. He's also much younger than Delon when he was drafted. Love his attitude on the court as well - seems like a really good teammate. Has solid role player and playoff contributor upside. Not my first choice, but not bad at all at 33 IMO


I think he is better than Delon, both passing ability and finishing ability. Defensively, Delon would be better with his positioning, but Terry may have better quickness, so the potential is there.
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Post#1942 » by grant101 » Tue May 3, 2022 2:37 pm

Indeed wrote:I think he is better than Delon, both passing ability and finishing ability. Defensively, Delon would be better with his positioning, but Terry may have better quickness, so the potential is there.


I agree with this for the most part. A better Delon is not a bad outcome for a second round pick! Only picked up fulltime pg duties later on in the season, but he did well and I have no doubts he's capable. Would still prefer a higher upside pick, but I would not be mad at all if we came away with Dalen.
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Post#1943 » by Psubs » Tue May 3, 2022 2:40 pm

Banton is a terrible FT shooter. Him, Precious and Thaddeus need to shoot 100,000 FT's this summer. :D

I like Terry more than David Johnson as a prospect.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1944 » by PoundTown » Tue May 3, 2022 2:42 pm

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Interesting prospect. He has good passing ability with change of speed. Just not sure would teams go under the screen against him.
The biggest question is, do we continue to draft non-shooter? Is he a bit similar to Banton, while Banton would be more capable of creating his own shot if he gets his jump shot working, and Terry would be more a passer if he gets his jump shot working.



I like Terry. Reminds me of a slightly longer Delon. He's also much younger than Delon when he was drafted. Love his attitude on the court as well - seems like a really good teammate. Has solid role player and playoff contributor upside. Not my first choice, but not bad at all at 33 IMO


I think he is better than Delon, both passing ability and finishing ability. Defensively, Delon would be better with his positioning, but Terry may have better quickness, so the potential is there.


Also, not really apples to oranges. This dude is 19 or just turned 20 or something, Delon was 23 when he was drafted. He's someone I think you see get a workout and some interest from the Raps, as he really fits the mould. I watched quite a few Arizona games, and the team's downfall was being too reliant on offensive players individual talent and not really having a good offence that could beat a good defence. I do like Terry and Koloko quite a bit from watching them, and see two NBA level athletes plus with good motors and defensive ability with improving offensive games.
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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1945 » by Psubs » Tue May 3, 2022 2:55 pm

PoundTown wrote:Also, not really apples to oranges. This dude is 19 or just turned 20 or something, Delon was 23 when he was drafted. He's someone I think you see get a workout and some interest from the Raps, as he really fits the mould. I watched quite a few Arizona games, and the team's downfall was being too reliant on offensive players individual talent and not really having a good offence that could beat a good defence. I do like Terry and Koloko quite a bit from watching them, and see two NBA level athletes plus with good motors and defensive ability with improving offensive games.


Banton is probably better suited as a slasher.

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Post#1946 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 3, 2022 5:59 pm



intriguing but still very raw imo
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Post#1947 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 3, 2022 7:16 pm

https://theathletic.com/3277809/2022/05/02/2022-nba-draft-big-board-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren/
BIG BOARD
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Tari Eason, LSU

Walker Kessler, Auburn

20Patrick Baldwin, Milwaukee

21Jake LaRavia, Wake Forest

22Kendall Brown, Baylor

23Bryce McGowens, Nebraska

24Blake Wesley, Notre Dame

25Jalen Williams, Santa Clara

26Terquavion Smith, NC State

27MarJon Beauchamp, G League Ignite

28Dalen Terry, Arizona

29Kennedy Chandler, Tennessee

30Jaden Hardy, G League Ignite


31Nikola Jovic, Mega

32Trevor Keels, Duke

33E.J. Liddell, Ohio State

34Jean Montero, Overtime Elite

35Wendell Moore, Duke

36Christian Koloko, Arizona

37Ryan Rollins, Toledo

38Harrison Ingram, Stanford

39Christian Braun, Kansas

40Max Christie, Michigan State

41Josh Minott, Memphis

42Jaylin Williams, Arkansas

43Justin Lewis, Marquette

44
Peyton Watson, UCLA

45Leonard Miller, Fort Erie Prep

Leonard Miller (No. 45): Forget Sharpe: This is actually the Canadian man of the mystery in this class. Miller is a truly polarizing prospect who some evaluators are extremely interested in and others think is so far away developmentally that he should not be in this draft class. Miller is a 6-foot-10-ish wing who is a very high-level upside swing because of his instincts as a scorer and guard skills at his size. Having undergone a significant growth spurt over the last couple of years to his current height, it’s clear Miller is still learning how to use his newfound size. Playing this past year at Fort Erie Prep in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association, he essentially acted as a point forward who was responsible for creating most of the offense for his team.

There, he was largely successful because he was just bigger, more athletic and more skilled than everyone in the league. He’d get to play against guys who were 6-foot-6 or shorter, and he just had an exceptionally easy time seeing over the top of them, extending past them or shooting over them. His tape with Fort Erie displays a very talented player, but one who is clearly without limitation because he is, by a drastic margin, the most talented player in the league. Because of that, you’ll see him dominate for long stretches, then also throw some mind-numbingly bad passes that make you wonder what in the world he was even seeing. And don’t even get started on the shot mechanics. His shot prep is among the worst in this draft class. Every time he rises, it looks different from the previous shot. He clearly has real touch, but his weight transfer and balance almost always look off.

Luckily, scouts got to see him throughout the year at a few different events that gave them a better feel for where he’s at, the most recent one being Nike Hoop Summit. Scouts there came away with the general feeling that he was arguably the most intriguing long-term player on the World Team, but it was a World Team that paled in comparison to some past iterations from a talent perspective. Throughout the week of practice, sources indicated that he showcased many of the flashes you can see on tape in Ontario, but his overall performance was all over the map and didn’t inspire much confidence that he’d be able to make an impact in an NBA setting any time soon.

As a prospect, the thing that worries me most about Miller is the intersection of strength and explosiveness. He’s extremely skinny but also isn’t particularly explosive as an athlete. Unlike shot prep, that’s something you probably can’t fix. However, the thing that intrigues me most is that he plays with strong change of pace and has an intriguing, herky-jerky style that allows him to separate from defenders, and his size allows him to shoot over the top. At this stage, his game is one of contradictions. He changes pace well but doesn’t have much explosion. He has touch but horrible shot prep and balance that will require a lot of work to bring consistency. He can make some intriguing passing reads, but he’s still just extremely wild as a ballhandler and decision-maker. Defensively, he has awesome tools but just lacked a real, consistent engagement level all the time. His best moments make him look like the kind of big initiator whom teams love. His worst moments make you wonder if he’d even be an effective college basketball player consistently next year. He’s a pure project in every sense of the word right now.

But is he a project worth undertaking for NBA teams in this draft? Is he intriguing enough for teams to make an informed bet on him? Miller is declaring for the 2022 NBA Draft but is retaining his collegiate eligibility to potentially attend school next year. He’s additionally considering using a gap year in regard to the draft and turning pro and playing with either the G League Ignite or Overtime Elite. Unquestionably, you would think he is looking for some sort of assurance before giving up his eligibility. If I were advising Miller, I think Overtime Elite makes a lot of sense if no team steps up to the plate with a first-round promise. Another year to develop his craft in a relatively low-stakes environment — especially given the work they did this past season with a player we’re about to discuss in a moment — could really benefit his transition to the NBA. I would expect he will be invited to the NBA Draft Combine, and how his pre-draft process looks while competing against other good prospects on the workout circuit will play a critical role in whether or not he ends up in this class. He’s so polarizing for scouts at this point that I think anywhere from No. 20 to 60 is the range. It’s possible one team loves him enough to just take the plunge and go for it. I don’t think he’d go unselected. But scouts feel so differently about him that it’s really tough to get an overall handle at this early stage.

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Re: Official 2022 Draft Thread 

Post#1948 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 3, 2022 8:13 pm

Miller is getting the Giannis treatment. Who's his agent?
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Post#1949 » by alpngso » Tue May 3, 2022 8:44 pm

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Post#1950 » by JShuttlesworth » Tue May 3, 2022 9:02 pm

I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28
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Post#1951 » by OakleyDokely » Tue May 3, 2022 9:10 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28

Don't worry, some of those guys will drop to 33. These mocks are rarely accurate especially later in the draft.
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Post#1952 » by JShuttlesworth » Tue May 3, 2022 9:18 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28

Don't worry, some of those guys will drop to 33. These mocks are rarely accurate especially later in the draft.


For sure, you just hate to see it. The draft is so unpredictable this late
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Post#1953 » by Los_29 » Tue May 3, 2022 9:22 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28


Those mock drafts mean absolutely nothing. Just look at the ones from last year and how wrong they all were. I guarantee you the Raptors front office doesn't have the same draft board as The Athletic.
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Post#1954 » by alpngso » Tue May 3, 2022 9:29 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28


Vecenie said he only has 18 guys ranked as sure-fire 1st rounders based on his eval in his recent pod
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Post#1955 » by Ell Curry » Tue May 3, 2022 9:35 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:I'm kind of hoping for Max Christie. We need some shooting and he looked better than Caleb Houstan to me, and that's coming from a Michigan fan.

This is my guy. I'm not sure exactly why I like him so much but I really do.


Same, I think it's a mix of Izzo benching Jaren Jackson and Christie looking way more versatile offensively than Caleb Houstan, and him being long for a 2 but skinny enough that being a #3 that he seems like he could be 6'7, 220 and a shooter and not outright unplayable defensively. Also 82% on FTs. But rough freshman year otherwise.

I really could see us taking Moussa Diabate, he's raw but it's all there for him to split time with Precious at the 5 in a couple years, though I bet we're desperate for a shooter based on Nurse's comments and us having better backup big options right now than backups for Trent.
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Post#1956 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue May 3, 2022 10:18 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I look at that Athletic mock and realize why I was so upset when we traded for Thad. Most of the guys I like being mocked 18-28

Yeah that's technically a big board but still literally all my favorite guys in that 20-30 section gotta hope for some drops
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Post#1957 » by imonfiya » Tue May 3, 2022 10:48 pm

I know this board would lose its head especially if some of "their guys" are on the still left on the board. But judging by Masai's approach in the past and how he feels there's some parity from 20-40, it wouldn't surprise me if they traded 33 to somewhere like Minnesota (which has 3 2nd rounders) for 40 and 48 to select another 6' 9" type (Jaylin Williams, Justin Lewis, Diabete, etc) and a big (eg. Nzosa, Diop)
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Post#1958 » by Ell Curry » Tue May 3, 2022 11:16 pm

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PoundTown wrote:Also, not really apples to oranges. This dude is 19 or just turned 20 or something, Delon was 23 when he was drafted. He's someone I think you see get a workout and some interest from the Raps, as he really fits the mould. I watched quite a few Arizona games, and the team's downfall was being too reliant on offensive players individual talent and not really having a good offence that could beat a good defence. I do like Terry and Koloko quite a bit from watching them, and see two NBA level athletes plus with good motors and defensive ability with improving offensive games.


Banton is probably better suited as a slasher.

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SG Champagnie
SF Banton
PF Thaddeus
C Precious


I think Banton will take Thad's minutes if all work out well, presumably in the 23-24 season with Thad in the final year of a 2 year deal, or he signs a one year deal with a team option.

He's one year away from being one year away.
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Post#1959 » by Ell Curry » Tue May 3, 2022 11:19 pm

imonfiya wrote:I know this board would lose its head especially if some of "their guys" are on the still left on the board. But judging by Masai's approach in the past and how he feels there's some parity from 20-40, it wouldn't surprise me if they traded 33 to somewhere like Minnesota (which has 3 2nd rounders) for 40 and 48 to select another 6' 9" type (Jaylin Williams, Justin Lewis, Diabete, etc) and a big (eg. Nzosa, Diop)


Yeah, we traded down so might see the draft as depth-ier rather than good.

Do we have roster spots?

#33 is high enough that we might get a decent offer like a current 2nd rounder 10 picks lower and an unprotected 2nd rounder from a non-playoff team or one with one star who we can hope misses time and they crater like I dunno Denver or Dallas, rather than #48.

Kings #37 and #49, or Knicks #42 and their 2nd rounder next year which shouldn't be any better isn't horrible if we can't take 2 rookies.

My guess is we just take a project at #33 or talk ourselves into a shooter if the MLE won't bring one.
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Post#1960 » by Ell Curry » Tue May 3, 2022 11:41 pm

Looked up Siakam's stats after seeing that that Walker is quite inefficient on O (which Siakam wasn't) the guys most similar in this draft are:

1) Keegan Murray (I think will go like 7th after Sharpe and somebody else who's more athletic passes him after workouts, like Mathurin). Obviously we'd have to trade Van Vleet or OG or Siakam (or possibly Trent and an unprotected 2023 1st and #33?)

2) Trayce-Jackson Davis, 33 would be high, but if we did say trade down to #40 and #48 getting a shooter and then him to replace Birch would seem pretty good.

3) Then Chet, Duren and a bunch of guys returning to college and also centers who aren't mobile, somehow getting steals
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