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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1941 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:19 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:Saw scottie up close. He really is magic johnson

I gotta say - as much as I'm a huge fan of Barnes & his potential, I've never really understood this comparison. The rook loves the no-look passes, but he doesn't have anywhere near the vision or half-court playmaking of Magic. And that's not a criticism - no one compares in that department. I'd love for him to develop that same turnaround midrange shot, though. Lots of times last night when I thought he should've been more aggressive against that zone and just taken that 15 foot jumper


its moreso the big frame, ball handling, court vision + playmaking (although not at magic's level), we haven't seen a player like him since magic imo when you take into account the skill and frame.

Still lots of room to refine everything too he's just a baby
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1942 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:27 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Barnes has perimeter skills with Dwight Howards frame. It's scary to think what he could become.


Scottie's a big dude has this wide shoulders and arms and he has good base on his long legs. If you tell me this kid is only 225 lbs I'll be laughing at you, that weight is like a year ago he's pushing 240 at least.


225 seems low indeed but he has a very low bodyfat percentage which pushes his weight down.

Look at Giannis, the guy looks massive but is only 242 at 6-11 because he has no fat on him.

Scottie is between 6-8 and 6-9, so considering that it might not be too far off indeed.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1943 » by links135 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:35 pm

Madhouse wrote:He has everything to work and improve on, obviously as a rookie.

The first step will be the realization of his physical gifts and use them consistently. For example this kid has much, much better explosiveness and speed than most realize but lack of assertiveness, hesitation and just the first NBA season grind playing 35 MPG has prevented him from showing it consistently.

That's what I hope to see next season.

Beyond that it's growing and developing his skills consistently. You can really name everything from A-Z where he needs to get better at. You can really name everything he has shown shades of this season which is pretty much everything except a 3 point step back jumpshot off the dribble.


He does use his physical gifts, Cade drives alot more takes more 'driving layups', whereas Barnes doesn't drive nearly as much because when he does, he doesn't quite have the skill shots to take floaters and stuff when needed, but Cade can get into problems there where he's now committed to attacking the rim while not being long or strong enough against alot of NBA defenders.

What Barnes will do instead is back his man down, as unless you're a center or Lebron James or Giannis, he's probably got some size on you. Then he'll methodically and slowly get a good look for either a hook, a layup, and possibly then using his length and strength to get the rebound off his own miss and score or kick it out.

In other words he's much more controlled in how he scores inside, which is why he's scoring much much better than Cade. Although he for sure takes some bad shots inside, his misses seem more like him just missing as opposed to the defenders forcing him into a miss.

In fact the only real scoring difference between Barnes and Cade is that Cade takes like 3 more 3's a game and shoots about the same %.

If Barnes can get just a little bit stronger, with a tighter handle and slightly more consistent jumpshot, he's a problem, while fitting in to our possession battle type of team.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1944 » by links135 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:37 pm

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hype_2004 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Barnes has perimeter skills with Dwight Howards frame. It's scary to think what he could become.


Scottie's a big dude has this wide shoulders and arms and he has good base on his long legs. If you tell me this kid is only 225 lbs I'll be laughing at you, that weight is like a year ago he's pushing 240 at least.


225 seems low indeed but he has a very low bodyfat percentage which pushes his weight down.

Look at Giannis, the guy looks massive but is only 242 at 6-11 because he has no fat on him.

Scottie is between 6-8 and 6-9, so considering that it might not be too far off indeed.


Who know's if he's gained a little weight since his draft measurement, i'm gonna say just over 230. It's pretty impressive though just how many guys he can bump to get a shot off around the rim. That's a very Kawhi thing to do if he can develop a midrange pullup shot.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1945 » by hype_2004 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:42 pm

links135 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:He has everything to work and improve on, obviously as a rookie.

The first step will be the realization of his physical gifts and use them consistently. For example this kid has much, much better explosiveness and speed than most realize but lack of assertiveness, hesitation and just the first NBA season grind playing 35 MPG has prevented him from showing it consistently.

That's what I hope to see next season.

Beyond that it's growing and developing his skills consistently. You can really name everything from A-Z where he needs to get better at. You can really name everything he has shown shades of this season which is pretty much everything except a 3 point step back jumpshot off the dribble.


He does use his physical gifts, Cade drives alot more takes more 'driving layups', whereas Barnes doesn't drive nearly as much because when he does, he doesn't quite have the skill shots to take floaters and stuff when needed, but Cade can get into problems there where he's now committed to attacking the rim while not being long or strong enough against alot of NBA defenders.

What Barnes will do instead is back his man down, as unless you're a center or Lebron James or Giannis, he's probably got some size on you. Then he'll methodically and slowly get a good look for either a hook, a layup, and possibly then using his length and strength to get the rebound off his own miss and score or kick it out.

In other words he's much more controlled in how he scores inside, which is why he's scoring much much better than Cade. Although he for sure takes some bad shots inside, his misses seem more like him just missing as opposed to the defenders forcing him into a miss.

In fact the only real scoring difference between Barnes and Cade is that Cade takes like 3 more 3's a game and shoots about the same %.

If Barnes can get just a little bit stronger, with a tighter handle and slightly more consistent jumpshot, he's a problem, while fitting in to our possession battle type of team.


Barnes is already physically dominant at his age, him getting stronger would be like Dwight Howard with a perimeter game, he would be a problem in the post much moreso than either Giannis or LeBron.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1946 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:02 pm

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He does use his physical gifts, Cade drives alot more takes more 'driving layups', whereas Barnes doesn't drive nearly as much because when he does, he doesn't quite have the skill shots to take floaters and stuff when needed, but Cade can get into problems there where he's now committed to attacking the rim while not being long or strong enough against alot of NBA defenders.

What Barnes will do instead is back his man down, as unless you're a center or Lebron James or Giannis, he's probably got some size on you. Then he'll methodically and slowly get a good look for either a hook, a layup, and possibly then using his length and strength to get the rebound off his own miss and score or kick it out.

In other words he's much more controlled in how he scores inside, which is why he's scoring much much better than Cade. Although he for sure takes some bad shots inside, his misses seem more like him just missing as opposed to the defenders forcing him into a miss.

In fact the only real scoring difference between Barnes and Cade is that Cade takes like 3 more 3's a game and shoots about the same %.

If Barnes can get just a little bit stronger, with a tighter handle and slightly more consistent jumpshot, he's a problem, while fitting in to our possession battle type of team.


He is shooting 70/50 splits from 0-3/3-10 feet.

It's rare, he probably doesn't need a massive post skill set to be a terror inside when he is already scoring this efficiently inside.

Not sure how many rookies in history have 70/50 splits in the paint at a decent volume but it can't be many, it's just too difficult to be common.

Zion didn't do it, Jokic didn't, Lebron didn't, Embiid didn't, not sure who did tbh lmao.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1947 » by Dalek » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:04 pm

I literally have to remind myself that this guy is only 20 and has a world of basketball to play and he is learning about the intensity and focus required to play at a playoff level.

Giannis at age 20 was averaging 12/6/2 on a .500 ball club.
Magic Johnson at age 20 as a rookie was averaging 18/7/7 on a team with Kareem Abdul Jabbar where Magic orchestrated the offense.

I think Scottie is not exactly Magic level coming in, because Magic was a unique force of nature, but when I watch Scottie, I see the post-up playmaking and scoring, the elite passing that surfaces at times that are all Magic like. Also the personality and team-first play. The key difference is that Magic may have been smiling as much, but he was a straight up killer every time on-court.

I just get the feeling that Barnes is a bit passive at times and is playing more off instinct at this stage rather than really controlling the game. He doesn't have a great handle and shooting wise he has no pull-up game. He shoots all his shots pretty flat-footed. Once this guy has a couple seasons of training and experience under his belt he be anything. It is almost like he has to realize first who he is because right now he acts like a role player.
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Post#1948 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:08 pm

Dalek wrote:I literally have to remind myself that this guy is only 20 and has a world of basketball to play and he is learning about the intensity and focus required to play at a playoff level.

Giannis at age 20 was averaging 12/6/2 on a .500 ball club.
Magic Johnson at age 20 as a rookie was averaging 18/7/7 on a team with Kareem Abdul Jabbar where Magic orchestrated the offense.

I think Scottie is not exactly Magic level coming in, because Magic was a unique force of nature, but when I watch Scottie, I see the post-up playmaking and scoring, the elite passing that surfaces at times that are all Magic like. Also the personality and team-first play. The key difference is that Magic may have been smiling as much, but he was a straight up killer every time on-court.

I just get the feeling that Barnes is a bit passive at times and is playing more off instinct at this stage rather than really controlling the game. He doesn't have a great handle and shooting wise he has no pull-up game. He shoots all his shots pretty flat-footed. Once this guy has a couple seasons of training and experience under his belt he be anything. It is almost like he has to realize first who he is because right now he acts like a role player.


agreed, once he realizes who he is and what he can do, he will be much more dangerous. Pecking order also plays a role tho
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1949 » by mtcan » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:31 pm

That 3 point shooting spree last night was unexpected. Is that the most 3 point attempts in a game that we have seen from Scottie to date? The range is there. The set shot looks OK. We really haven't seen all that this kid can do.
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Post#1950 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:32 pm

mtcan wrote:That 3 point shooting spree last night was unexpected. Is that the most 3 point attempts in a game that we have seen from Scottie to date? The range is there. The set shot looks OK. We really haven't seen all that this kid can do.


close to it. Most 3pt he took in a game is 11
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2 

Post#1951 » by brownbobcat » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:39 pm

Madhouse wrote:He is shooting 70/50 splits from 0-3/3-10 feet.

It's rare, he probably doesn't need a massive post skill set to be a terror inside when he is already scoring this efficiently inside.

Not sure how many rookies in history have 70/50 splits in the paint at a decent volume but it can't be many, it's just too difficult to be common.

Zion didn't do it, Jokic didn't, Lebron didn't, Embiid didn't, not sure who did tbh lmao.

The inside touch is insane. When the game slows down for him, he could be zipping passes out of the high post like Jokic.
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Post#1953 » by Madhouse » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:20 pm

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He should clearly be the ROY. Raptors have won more games than the Cavaliers and Pistons, he has the volume stats and now the best advanced stats. No objective reason he is not the ROY.
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Post#1954 » by DG88 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:26 pm

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Post#1956 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:17 pm

Scottie took over the award once we passed cleveland im standings even though that shouldnt have mattered
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