Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

and the magic have cap space.

IF he makes FA. For that to play out, things need to go a certain way.

It's not looking that way, given he just dumped his agent.

he is making fa unless he agrees to 4 year 115 deal with raptors.
any other team he gets traded to cannot sign the same extension.

If you know the price you don't need an agent taking a percentage, right? That's my logic at least.

[douggood]

IF he makes FA. For that to play out, things need to go a certain way.

It's not looking that way, given he just dumped his agent.

he is making fa unless he agrees to 4 year 115 deal with raptors.
any other team he gets traded to cannot sign the same extension.

If you know the price you don't need an agent taking a percentage, right? That's my logic at least.

rumors are he is signing with klutch in anticipation of hitting the free agent market.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

rumors are he is signing with klutch in anticipation of hitting the free agent market.

That'd be a fun twist.

[tecumseh18]

Here's something else to keep in mind. Masai has a rationale decision he can make to do nothing at the deadline. He could also trade OG on draft night or during the summer when more teams have picks and a desire to reconfigure their teams. He might do sign and trades for Fred and Gary at the start of free agency.

Worst case scenario with do-nothing at the deadline? Fred and Gary walk and Masai gets nothing. Well, here's the thing. If both of those two walk, the Raptors could have a boatload of cap space. I mean, a lot. Even after adding draft picks, worst case is $25 million in cap space, which could be expanded by $3-4 million by stretch waiving Otto Porter or Khem Birch. (This is a good time to do stretch waivers because the cap jump in their summer of 2025 is going to be spectacular, so a couple of million still on the books isn't going to have a significant impact). At the very least, the amount of cap space Fred and Gary leaving would create could allow Masai/Bobby to build a better bench, maybe take on a Kevin Huerter type in a trade (i.e. a decent value player another team has to dump for financial reasons.) Or make an offer for an RFA he likes. Or take on a bad contract with an draft carrot attached.

Good points, especially about the relative attractiveness of the stretch waiver in a rising cap environment. Blake didn't mention that in his Sportsnet piece this week.

BUT ... what Blake emphasized was the importance of keeping or exchanging salaries so the Raptors maintain our traditional place just under the luxury tax line. Letting Gary and Fred walk for nothing, not even TPEs, and signing FAs (never a sure thing with the Raps) would take us way down to the cap line, plus what ever we could sign with the room and biannual exceptions. This would give Masai and Bobby less assets to make deals with going forward. Since we have all our draft picks going forward, we might as well have salary ballast to be able to trade with it.

Interesting to speculate who we would get with near max cap space that would balance out the talent lossage. A serviceable big - like Mason Plumlee - would be nice and pretty cheap, leaving room to pick. Jak of course, but Plumlee would be much cheaper. My problem with Turner has always been that, like OG, he sees himself as being a top 3 option kinda player, when he's not. With Fred and Gary gone, maybe there's room for a guy like that. But let's not crowd out Precious.

[mademan]

Here's something else to keep in mind. Masai has a rationale decision he can make to do nothing at the deadline. He could also trade OG on draft night or during the summer when more teams have picks and a desire to reconfigure their teams. He might do sign and trades for Fred and Gary at the start of free agency.

Worst case scenario with do-nothing at the deadline? Fred and Gary walk and Masai gets nothing. Well, here's the thing. If both of those two walk, the Raptors could have a boatload of cap space. I mean, a lot. Even after adding draft picks, worst case is $25 million in cap space, which could be expanded by $3-4 million by stretch waiving Otto Porter or Khem Birch. (This is a good time to do stretch waivers because the cap jump in their summer of 2025 is going to be spectacular, so a couple of million still on the books isn't going to have a significant impact). At the very least, the amount of cap space Fred and Gary leaving would create could allow Masai/Bobby to build a better bench, maybe take on a Kevin Huerter type in a trade (i.e. a decent value player another team has to dump for financial reasons.) Or make an offer for an RFA he likes. Or take on a bad contract with an draft carrot attached.

what bench would you build with 25 mill in capspace after losing 2 starters, lol?

[Thaddy]

Achiuwa should be the starting center, he is too quick for lumbering centres to contain if he's hitting his threes and can attack closeouts. I have more faith in his jumper than the other prospects on the team, his FT% has improved substantially and although his three point form is inconsistent it's more reliable than Barnes shot.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think Achiuwa is starting next yr. Dont think that Poeltl trade gonna happen either

[WuTang_CMB]

[Morse Code]

Here's something else to keep in mind. Masai has a rationale decision he can make to do nothing at the deadline. He could also trade OG on draft night or during the summer when more teams have picks and a desire to reconfigure their teams. He might do sign and trades for Fred and Gary at the start of free agency.

Worst case scenario with do-nothing at the deadline? Fred and Gary walk and Masai gets nothing. Well, here's the thing. If both of those two walk, the Raptors could have a boatload of cap space. I mean, a lot. Even after adding draft picks, worst case is $25 million in cap space, which could be expanded by $3-4 million by stretch waiving Otto Porter or Khem Birch. (This is a good time to do stretch waivers because the cap jump in their summer of 2025 is going to be spectacular, so a couple of million still on the books isn't going to have a significant impact). At the very least, the amount of cap space Fred and Gary leaving would create could allow Masai/Bobby to build a better bench, maybe take on a Kevin Huerter type in a trade (i.e. a decent value player another team has to dump for financial reasons.) Or make an offer for an RFA he likes. Or take on a bad contract with an draft carrot attached.

Seems like a cop out to me.

1. Teams never give up much in a sign and trade and we already know the market for Fred isn't huge. Would really limit our options and therefore our leverage.

2. The risk of losing them for nothing is not worth it

3. It doesn't help us at all this season. It doesn't improve our draft stock, and we already know this team isn't winning anything with this core


It's time to pick a **** direction and stop kicking the can down the road

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[TRik]

I think Achiuwa is starting next yr. Dont think that Poeltl trade gonna happen either

I still think he’d much prefer more of a PF type role. I’m not saying he’s gonna get that, just that I could see that being the case. Instead of always being a smaller body banging with giants.

[vulture]

This deadline is the raptors chance to get the most assets for players like OG, Fred and Gary. The market is theirs and it would be a colossal mistake to not take advantage of this opportunity.

I would prefer to move Pascal ahead of his next extension too, but I doubt they would do that.

[tdotrep2]

This deadline is the raptors chance to get the most assets for players like OG, Fred and Gary. The market is theirs and it would be a colossal mistake to not take advantage of this opportunity.

I would prefer to move Pascal ahead of his next extension too, but I doubt they would do that.

move definitely need to be made, a shame one will likely be og because he/precious and scottie have real potential to be a killer on defense

[Raptorfan2012]

This deadline is the raptors chance to get the most assets for players like OG, Fred and Gary. The market is theirs and it would be a colossal mistake to not take advantage of this opportunity.

I would prefer to move Pascal ahead of his next extension too, but I doubt they would do that.

I agree. There are quite a few teams in the hunt for playoff spots this season; teams that have barely sniffed playoffs for a while. Its a good opportunity to get a GM to cave in and give up young assets for more established players.

[DelAbbot]

This deadline is the raptors chance to get the most assets for players like OG, Fred and Gary. The market is theirs and it would be a colossal mistake to not take advantage of this opportunity.

I would prefer to move Pascal ahead of his next extension too, but I doubt they would do that.

Its rare when tankers and most anti-tankers are in agreement about the direction we should take.

[alpngso]

Read on Twitter

West trip not only important for Raps but the whole league. Game changer

[Stromile12]

I think Achiuwa is starting next yr. Dont think that Poeltl trade gonna happen either

He should be starting this year, we look like a better team with him on the court, not sure if the numbers back it up. Live with the mistakes and let him grow.

[Yeezus_]

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West trip not only important for Raps but the whole league. Game changer

I honestly think this is just insiders not knowing what the Raptors want to do. I can't imagine the team not knowing what direction they want to take. Though giving no indication you're willing to trade at the moment can only help drive up the price if that's what they end up doing.

[bboyskinnylegs]

West trip not only important for Raps but the whole league. Game changer

opposing GMs going to force their players to play like it's the playoffs against us.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I think Achiuwa is starting next yr. Dont think that Poeltl trade gonna happen either

He should be starting this year, we look like a better team with him on the court, not sure if the numbers back it up. Live with the mistakes and let him grow.

who should be removed from the starting lineup to make it happen?

[Ell Curry]

Here's something else to keep in mind. Masai has a rationale decision he can make to do nothing at the deadline. He could also trade OG on draft night or during the summer when more teams have picks and a desire to reconfigure their teams. He might do sign and trades for Fred and Gary at the start of free agency.

Worst case scenario with do-nothing at the deadline? Fred and Gary walk and Masai gets nothing. Well, here's the thing. If both of those two walk, the Raptors could have a boatload of cap space. I mean, a lot. Even after adding draft picks, worst case is $25 million in cap space, which could be expanded by $3-4 million by stretch waiving Otto Porter or Khem Birch. (This is a good time to do stretch waivers because the cap jump in their summer of 2025 is going to be spectacular, so a couple of million still on the books isn't going to have a significant impact). At the very least, the amount of cap space Fred and Gary leaving would create could allow Masai/Bobby to build a better bench, maybe take on a Kevin Huerter type in a trade (i.e. a decent value player another team has to dump for financial reasons.) Or make an offer for an RFA he likes. Or take on a bad contract with an draft carrot attached.

what bench would you build with 25 mill in capspace after losing 2 starters, lol?

Best I can see is D-Lo Russell and either Keyonte George or Cason Wallace.