Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[HumbleRen]

I can’t wait until Barnes proves so many people wrong.

Barnes being underrated like crazy by the Raps own fan base

that’s OK tho, everyone will be on the same page soon enough

Every fan base is universally down on him.

It’s kinda insane to see everyone write off a ROTY.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 player but these people are acting like his ceiling is being an average starter.

[SkywalkerAC]

Different era. Magic would have to become a legit 3pt threat to be at the top of the league in 2023

just like Giannis

Magic became a very good shooter by his MVP years. But he wasn't that great a shooter to begin his career. His handles were great from the beginning though.

Looks like he found a bit of accuracy by the time he turned 30. But even then he was only hitting around 1 a game.

So he basically got to the level that Scottie is now at age 22.

And he had a strong dribble especially in the open court (as Scottie does) but his change-of-direction handle wasn’t advanced by today’s standards.

[Spates]

I know not everything gets on video obviously, but is his trainer having Barnes work on his handles? That to me was the most important skill to hone this offseason. His jumper isn't going to get that good in one off season.

Honestly if Barnes can stick a free throw line jumper reliably with increased handles, that would lead to a huge jump for him

Yup, yup. A strong midrange pull-up and handles to get there would set him up nicely as a primary handler. With that extra bit of attention I think he'd be fantastic threading through tight windows. Personally, in the short-term I think it's more important for his evolution. I don't think he's the most fluid guy, he can't get low, bully ball will be his game.

[mademan]

No one would say Magic had an incredible jumper either.

Different era. Magic would have to become a legit 3pt threat to be at the top of the league in 2023

just like Giannis

You think Giannis and Magic are similar physically?

[Merit]

I’m high on Scottie but I think I’d rather win now. Not sure what that looks like exactly, but I’d rather trade him than Pascal if we get Dame. GTJ can go too, but I’ll be sad to see both on a new team. I think it’s best we move Scottie before his flaws are exposed.

[Tha Cynic]

I’m high on Scottie but I think I’d rather win now. Not sure what that looks like exactly, but I’d rather trade him than Pascal if we get Dame. GTJ can go too, but I’ll be sad to see both on a new team. I think it’s best we move Scottie before his flaws are exposed.

If you think his flaws will be exposed the longer he stays here that means you're not really high on him.

Personally, I'm not expecting this season to be some huge revelation. I expect this season to be a transition season that builds into next season with Barnes leaving an imprint. I want this team to learn to share the ball, develop chemistry between bench and starters and start trusting each other more - no more ignoring open players for selfish shots. I want to see players swing the call. This team has zero chemistry for me to this they'll win with a disgruntled Dame playing here before going into cap hell.

[Merit]

I’m high on Scottie but I think I’d rather win now. Not sure what that looks like exactly, but I’d rather trade him than Pascal if we get Dame. GTJ can go too, but I’ll be sad to see both on a new team. I think it’s best we move Scottie before his flaws are exposed.

If you think his flaws will be exposed the longer he stays here that means you're not really high on him.

Personally, I'm not expecting this season to be some huge revelation. I expect this season to be a transition season that builds into next season with Barnes leaving an imprint. I want this team to learn to share the ball, develop chemistry between bench and starters and start trusting each other more - no more ignoring open players for selfish shots. I want to see players swing the call. This team has zero chemistry for me to this they'll win with a disgruntled Dame playing here before going into cap hell.

Not quite. I am totally fine with him taking his time to develop with us, but his value and perception in the league are higher than his current abilities. Hence, it’s a good time to consider a trade. If he develops with us, awesome! If we trade him for Dame - I’d be into that too. If you’d told me that one crappy season in Miami would get us Damion Lillard without having to mortgage all of our future first round picks and prospects - I’d be ecstatic.

I’m not the one paying the luxury tax bill - so it’s a lot easier for me to cheer for the instant gratification.

[HiJiNX]

I can’t wait until Barnes proves so many people wrong.

Barnes being underrated like crazy by the Raps own fan base

that’s OK tho, everyone will be on the same page soon enough

Every fan base is universally down on him.

It’s kinda insane to see everyone write off a ROTY.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 player but these people are acting like his ceiling is being an average starter.

I think it’s interesting that fans are so down on him yet people around the league who are very close to the game, who have played or who are currently playing are quite high on him. What are the fans missing?

Or are the players and folks working around the league wrong?

[Chandan]

I’m high on Scottie but I think I’d rather win now. Not sure what that looks like exactly, but I’d rather trade him than Pascal if we get Dame. GTJ can go too, but I’ll be sad to see both on a new team. I think it’s best we move Scottie before his flaws are exposed.

if it were up to you we'd bring back Fred

[HumbleRen]

Barnes being underrated like crazy by the Raps own fan base

that’s OK tho, everyone will be on the same page soon enough

Every fan base is universally down on him.

It’s kinda insane to see everyone write off a ROTY.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 player but these people are acting like his ceiling is being an average starter.

I think it’s interesting that fans are so down on him yet people around the league who are very close to the game, who have played or who are currently playing are quite high on him. What are the fans missing?

Or are the players and folks working around the league wrong?

I think players speak alot of lip service, I wouldn't take them too seriously.

Media has kinda soured on Scottie too imo. I think it's across the board tbh.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Barnes being underrated like crazy by the Raps own fan base

that’s OK tho, everyone will be on the same page soon enough

Every fan base is universally down on him.

It’s kinda insane to see everyone write off a ROTY.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 player but these people are acting like his ceiling is being an average starter.

I think it’s interesting that fans are so down on him yet people around the league who are very close to the game, who have played or who are currently playing are quite high on him. What are the fans missing?

Or are the players and folks working around the league wrong?

Honestly haven't heard much hype of Scottie this off-season. He wasn't on Team USA, either by choice or by omission. We got that one comment out of David Thorpe and executives watching the Rico runs noting that his 'joy' wasn't present. The only guy close to the league that's said anything that I can recall this summer was David Aldridge, who seemed to just make a lazy 'opportunity' argument.

If he proves people wrong it's because his summer was nothing but work.

[TorontoBarneys]

3 weeks exactly until we see Barnes in action in his first pre-season game. Then the real discussions can begin in earnest.

[hyper316]

We all know Scottie's passing is his top skill

Dribbling needs work

Shooting form still not fluid. He pauses momentarily before his release, and he shoots set shots releasing the ball from the ground rather mid air. Those practice videos of him take shots with no one in front of him looks fine, but in game with defender he will never get those shots off clean

[HumbleRen]

We all know Scottie's passing is his top skill

Dribbling needs work

Shooting form still not fluid. He pauses momentarily before his release, and he shoots set shots releasing the ball from the ground rather mid air. Those practice videos of him take shots with no one in front of him looks fine, but in game with defender he will never get those shots off clean

Passing means nothing unless you're a threat to score with the ball in your hands.

If his scoring doesn't come along, he'll just remain a great passer but not a great playmaker. Hopefully he's been working on his handles and more importantly, his scoring mindset.

[TorontoBarneys]

We all know Scottie's passing is his top skill

Dribbling needs work

Shooting form still not fluid. He pauses momentarily before his release, and he shoots set shots releasing the ball from the ground rather mid air. Those practice videos of him take shots with no one in front of him looks fine, but in game with defender he will never get those shots off clean

Passing means nothing unless you're a threat to score with the ball in your hands.

If his scoring doesn't come along, he'll just remain a great passer but not a great playmaker. Hopefully he's been working on his handles and more importantly, his scoring mindset.

Someone should drill it into his head that the best pass in the game comes only after you draw a second defender to yourself.

[Mikistan]

I don't understand how you watch 2 season of Scottie and think he can't score or can't be a playmaker

[SkywalkerAC]

3 weeks exactly until we see Barnes in action in his first pre-season game. Then the real discussions can begin in earnest.

And I’ve got tickets to the first game, a sellout in Vancouver. So unbelievably excited.

But the big question for training camp remains - does Gary start or not?

[HumbleRen]

We all know Scottie's passing is his top skill

Dribbling needs work

Shooting form still not fluid. He pauses momentarily before his release, and he shoots set shots releasing the ball from the ground rather mid air. Those practice videos of him take shots with no one in front of him looks fine, but in game with defender he will never get those shots off clean

Passing means nothing unless you're a threat to score with the ball in your hands.

If his scoring doesn't come along, he'll just remain a great passer but not a great playmaker. Hopefully he's been working on his handles and more importantly, his scoring mindset.

Someone should drill it into his head that the best pass in the game comes only after you draw a second defender to yourself.

I think it comes with maturity and confidence.

From HS to College, he was never the guy. He played the Scottie Pippen role to Cade in HS and was the 6th man in College.

Transitioning from that mindset to an alpha scorer is extremely hard. Took Jokic 4-5 years to embrace that mentality, same with Kawhi. Not saying Scottie will be as good as them, I’m just speaking towards strictly a scoring mentality.

It’s on him, his trainers and the coaching staff to push him.

[tanuki1031]

Passing means nothing unless you're a threat to score with the ball in your hands.

If his scoring doesn't come along, he'll just remain a great passer but not a great playmaker. Hopefully he's been working on his handles and more importantly, his scoring mindset.

Someone should drill it into his head that the best pass in the game comes only after you draw a second defender to yourself.

I think it comes with maturity and confidence.

From HS to College, he was never the guy. He played the Scottie Pippen role to Cade in HS and was the 6th man in College.

Transitioning from that mindset to an alpha scorer is extremely hard. Took Jokic 4-5 years to embrace that mentality, same with Kawhi. Not saying Scottie will be as good as them, I’m just speaking towards strictly a scoring mentality.

It’s on him, his trainers and the coaching staff to push him.

Barnes has produced a remarkable NBA career start despite being, without exaggeration, Scott Burrell to Fred Jordan, Pascal Pippen, Nick Jackson.

Barnes could be more aggressive scoring but you can't fault him for the position he was in. You can't lament Eric Snow not pushing to form the most dynamic scoring backcourt with AI.

Whatever Barnes truly needs to work on he will now have the freedom and opportunity to do so. Last year was too much of an issue caused by the players, coaching staff, and FO struggling under a two timeline approach that failed both ways to no one's surprise outside the organization.

[canada_dry]

I’m high on Scottie but I think I’d rather win now. Not sure what that looks like exactly, but I’d rather trade him than Pascal if we get Dame. GTJ can go too, but I’ll be sad to see both on a new team. I think it’s best we move Scottie before his flaws are exposed.

If you think his flaws will be exposed the longer he stays here that means you're not really high on him.

Personally, I'm not expecting this season to be some huge revelation. I expect this season to be a transition season that builds into next season with Barnes leaving an imprint. I want this team to learn to share the ball, develop chemistry between bench and starters and start trusting each other more - no more ignoring open players for selfish shots. I want to see players swing the call. This team has zero chemistry for me to this they'll win with a disgruntled Dame playing here before going into cap hell.

Idk man. 3rd year is historically supposed to come with a leap. This sounds like you're giving him an early excuse for not taking the leap and pushing the can down the road as they say for year 4.

He absolutely has to show something here in year 3. The pressure and urgency needs to be there.

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