Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[Zeno]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

[KINGTHANOS]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

I wouldn't. His health and commitment to fitness has to have some serious weight, no pun intended.

He's a Top 10 Player, but it doesn't make sense with this roster.

[HumbleRen]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

In a heart beat.

[Raptors_128]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

I would do it if the Raps started a full blown rebuild. High-risk, high-reward. He can be a superstar if heathy.

Let’s see if Masai and getting traded gives him the kick in the ass to get his **** together.

[Zeno]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

In a heart beat.

So then that means that Zion offer for 3 to Portland beats an offer of Pascal for the pick in your opinion? Though perhaps in Portland's particular situation they need more of the sure thing in Pascal. I could see Zion being appealing to the Hornets because even if he never plays as long as they keep it quiet until the season starts the presale tickets should be strong. Personally if the #3 and Simons trade were available for Pascal, I'd jump on that way faster than Pascal for Zion. I can't stand players that are never available. Yes he gives you some hypothetical chance but I don't ever want to exist in perpetual "if we're ever healthy" watch out land like the Clippers do.

[Zeno]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

I would do it if the Raps started a full blown rebuild. High-risk, high-reward. He can be a superstar if heathy.

Let’s see if Masai and getting traded gives him the kick in the ass to get his **** together.

Yeah it makes more sense in a full rebuild situation for sure.

[ArthurVandelay]

One of the biggest lines we read around the trade deadline was that it made more sense to trade Pascal in the offseason because his value would be higher. Curiously, I haven't seen that repeated even once now that we are actually in the offseason.

If we get #3 from Portland, he was right. There was no way we were getting a top 3 pick in March.

Exactly, no one in this lottery was trading their Wemby odds. So basically zero lottery picks were available until after that lotto was decided.

That exactly.

And then there are teams who would be unable to even trade a draft pick until draft night due to Steipen Rule or restrictions on picks owed.

I do believe the same or better offers will be available at draft for those two reasons. Plus we just saw an 8-seed go to the finals. Every team out there like Lloyd Christmas now.

[ArthurVandelay]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

Definitely not.

Yeah injury
Yeah fitness
Yeah nailing multiple OF models and pornstars

I can actually overlook all that

But to be so stupid to get one pregnant…unless he truly loves her and she the one…but if he banging all the other thick ladies on top of the baby momma…no thanks, pass.

[HumbleRen]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

In a heart beat.

So then that means that Zion offer for 3 to Portland beats an offer of Pascal for the pick in your opinion? Though perhaps in Portland's particular situation they need more of the sure thing in Pascal. I could see Zion being appealing to the Hornets because even if he never plays as long as they keep it quiet until the season starts the presale tickets should be strong. Personally if the #3 and Simons trade were available for Pascal, I'd jump on that way faster than Pascal for Zion. I can't stand players that are never available. Yes he gives you some hypothetical chance but I don't ever want to exist in perpetual "if we're ever healthy" watch out land like the Clippers do.

Just don’t think you can overthink it with Zion. His issues are weight problems, You have to bet on your organization and staff to be able to do their job and fix that.

I’ve only ever see one guy last season treat OG like he was Trae Young on defence and it was Zion. You just can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

Portland might pass up on it if they intend to keep Dame but I don’t see Hornets passing up on a chance for Zion.

[TrustFundBaby]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

Absolutely not.

The guy is a walking red flag. He can't keep his weight down, has various lower extremity injuries (meniscus, foot, and hamstrings). He surrounds himself with an unprofessional team (his mother was once his dietitian when weight was his biggest concern

When he's been out he's been known to blow up in weight and apparently is too busy dealing with pornstars than taking his rehab seriously. And I'm sorry but his baby announcement shows horrific judgement skills as it has led to multiple women outbursts , how he didn't see that coming is wild

People compare him to Embiid but Embiid was dealing with one bad foot injury that took years to come back from, Zion is fat with a compromised lower body and immaturity issues.

This guy isn't a Kawhi buy low he's a death sentence for a dumb GM waiting to happen

[Raps in 4]

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Zion is a Top 10 player when healthy, but that "when" is so strong, I feel like Pascal ends up having more value.

I'd do it because he matches the Scottie timeline better and because he helps us tank, with the potential that he gets in shape one day. But yeah, I don't see him ever being healthy. Guys like Luka, Harden, Jokic, Lowry, etc. being fat is different from Zion being fat. Those guys are all finesse players that don't rely on athleticism. Zion is an athletic freak. As long as he's fat, he's always going to be injured.

[ontnut]

In a heart beat.

So then that means that Zion offer for 3 to Portland beats an offer of Pascal for the pick in your opinion? Though perhaps in Portland's particular situation they need more of the sure thing in Pascal. I could see Zion being appealing to the Hornets because even if he never plays as long as they keep it quiet until the season starts the presale tickets should be strong. Personally if the #3 and Simons trade were available for Pascal, I'd jump on that way faster than Pascal for Zion. I can't stand players that are never available. Yes he gives you some hypothetical chance but I don't ever want to exist in perpetual "if we're ever healthy" watch out land like the Clippers do.

Just don’t think you can overthink it with Zion. His issues are weight problems, You have to bet on your organization and staff to be able to do their job and fix that.

I’ve only ever see one guy last season treat OG like he was Trae Young on defence and it was Zion. You just can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

Portland might pass up on it if they intend to keep Dame but I don’t see Hornets passing up on a chance for Zion.

FWIW from the main page:

In order for the Pelicans to trade up for Henderson, they would have to agree to a trade with either the Charlotte Hornets at No. 2 or Portland Trail Blazers at No. 3. A source tells Stein they don't believe the Hornets would risk taking on Williamson.

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Zion is a Top 10 player when healthy, but that "when" is so strong, I feel like Pascal ends up having more value.

I'd do it because he matches the Scottie timeline better and because he helps us tank. But yeah, I don't see him every being healthy. Guys like Luka, Harden, Jokic, Lowry, etc. being fat is different from Zion being fat. Those guys are all finesse players that don't rely on athleticism. Zion is an athletic freak. As long as he's fat, he's always going to be injured.

Zion is such a NY Knick player it's not even funny. They want him there too.

Someone floated RJ + Randle + Quickley + picks going the other way.

[Raps in 4]

So would anyone here do Pascal for Zion?

Absolutely not.

The guy is a walking red flag. He can't keep his weight down, has various lower extremity injuries (meniscus, foot, and hamstrings). He surrounds himself with an unprofessional team (his mother was once his dietitian when weight was his biggest concern

When he's been out he's been known to blow up in weight and apparently is too busy dealing with pornstars than taking his rehab seriously. And I'm sorry but his baby announcement shows horrific judgement skills as it has led to multiple women outbursts , how he didn't see that coming is wild

People compare him to Embiid but Embiid was dealing with one bad foot injury that took years to come back from, Zion is fat with a compromised lower body and immaturity issues.

This guy isn't a Kawhi buy low he's a death sentence for a dumb GM waiting to happen

Embiid isn't fat. He stays in shape. He also doesn't rely on athleticism. He uses his strength to bully players. Zion plays the game like Ja, but he weighs 300 lbs.

[HumbleRen]

So then that means that Zion offer for 3 to Portland beats an offer of Pascal for the pick in your opinion? Though perhaps in Portland's particular situation they need more of the sure thing in Pascal. I could see Zion being appealing to the Hornets because even if he never plays as long as they keep it quiet until the season starts the presale tickets should be strong. Personally if the #3 and Simons trade were available for Pascal, I'd jump on that way faster than Pascal for Zion. I can't stand players that are never available. Yes he gives you some hypothetical chance but I don't ever want to exist in perpetual "if we're ever healthy" watch out land like the Clippers do.

Just don’t think you can overthink it with Zion. His issues are weight problems, You have to bet on your organization and staff to be able to do their job and fix that.

I’ve only ever see one guy last season treat OG like he was Trae Young on defence and it was Zion. You just can’t pass up on that kind of talent.

Portland might pass up on it if they intend to keep Dame but I don’t see Hornets passing up on a chance for Zion.

FWIW from the main page:

In order for the Pelicans to trade up for Henderson, they would have to agree to a trade with either the Charlotte Hornets at No. 2 or Portland Trail Blazers at No. 3. A source tells Stein they don't believe the Hornets would risk taking on Williamson.

I don’t trust any reporting from Hornets lol. Those dudes are too random. The fact that everyone is saying Miller is a lock to be drafted by them just tells me Scoot is going #2.

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[Clay Davis]

Zion is a Top 10 player when healthy, but that "when" is so strong, I feel like Pascal ends up having more value.

I'd do it because he matches the Scottie timeline better and because he helps us tank. But yeah, I don't see him every being healthy. Guys like Luka, Harden, Jokic, Lowry, etc. being fat is different from Zion being fat. Those guys are all finesse players that don't rely on athleticism. Zion is an athletic freak. As long as he's fat, he's always going to be injured.

Zion is such a NY Knick player it's not even funny. They want him there too.

Someone floated RJ + Randle + Quickley + picks going the other way.

Hope this happens since I need the memes about how the Knicks found a way to combine all their PFs into Zion, like he's some sort of tweener-Voltron.

[Fitz303]

Spoiler:

Only thing I'm going to jump in on with this fun little back and forth JRoy has going with all of you is, the bolded part is inaccurate. The Blazers have said that Sharpe is off the table. This has been known locally for quite a while, and was reported nationally about a week ago (can't remember who reported it off hand). While it is likely that Portland will trade the #3 pick (and some of us non JRoy Blazers fans are looking forward to hopefully going all in with Jaylen Brown or Mikal Bridges), they are not trading Shaedon Sharpe.

I am pretty sure it said Sharpe was not available in conjunction with #3, not that Sharpe is off the table completely.

Either way - that is all posturing. If the Blazers are trading #3 to go all in with Dame they are 100% not gonna make Sharpe untouchable and be weirdly stuck between two eras.

You are exactly right. It is crazy how people do not exercise their reading comprehension some times en masse. We are all guilty of this once in a while, but it seems like 90% of people who read the quote did not comprehend the very careful wording:

"Trail Blazers officials have left inquiring teams with the impression that Shaedon Sharpe, the No. 7 pick in last year's draft, is off limits in any dialogue regarding the No. 3 pick."

They did not say Sharpe was off limits period. They said in discussions regarding the 3rd pick. To be fair this could mean he is off limits period, or it could mean they realize they need multiple pieces to contend and cannot package the 3rd pick and Sharpe together because there are no players realistically available worth both so they will explore separate deals. I think the latter makes more sense otherwise why bother adding the last part of that sentence.

I am also a huge Sharpe fan by the way and would love to pair him with Scottie, but I think the fans likely value him higher than the FO. When he was playing next to Dame and they were trying to win he looked like a raw rookie with some flashes. The Blazers FO must know how rare it is to contend with a 20 year old as your 3rd or 4th best player when that player did not even make an All-Rookie team.

As I said in the first post, this has been known locally for some time. I don't really care what caveat the national media tossed in there (most of them say that Dame is being traded too). Anyone in the media around Portland has known and said that Shaedon Sharpe isn't being traded outside of the twilight zone world where Embiid becomes available. Other than that, Sharpe will be the starting SG for the Blazers next season. By all means, keep throwing him the fake trades, I'm just saying, it's been clear locally that Sharpe is not headed out.

[LoveMyRaps]

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[Los_29]

Quick reminder:

Zion has played 4 seasons in the NBA. In those 4 seasons he has played 114 games. The team's record with Zion in the lineup is 57-57. Zion has yet to play a SINGLE playoff game.

You can talk about potential all you want but by year 4 Pascal already had a championship as a 2nd option. Zion doesn't even have the work ethic to get himself into the gym and believes everything should be about him and not his team. You don't get anywhere with a player like that leading your team.