2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[bballsparkin]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

new ringer mock

walter
flip

It’s solid. Filipowski with pick #31 is value

I'll do a backflip if we get Flip at #31. Well, perhaps a cartwheel.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Watch on YouTube

It's basically set in stone that they're taking Clingan after listening to him

It's the right move IMO if they believe in Trae and want to mask his weaknesses.

I tried to force myself to listen to it but I just can't lol too boring & Fields was just doing his best to be vague...

If you can paraphrase what part you think implied it will be Clingan?!?

I cant reopen the vid at the moment but i think it was near 345 or 4 min mark when he talks about what they value and kind of player theyre looking for.

[WuTang_CMB]

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment. He does have potential to develop it, but I'm not even sure if that's necessary considering he should always be around the basket.

Did you watch any Purdue? The guy was on the block every possession or setting screens to open action up. That was their game, not for him to launch 3's. He's been working on his shot for a while and as Tolzman said, Edey looks confident in workouts using it. The only way for him to show is if he gets an opportunity to expand his game with the right club. There is going to be a development curve for him either way.

what does that have to do with my post?

Unless he had a bad day, 48/100 in practice currently isn't usable in game. Yeah, he can develop it.

Did you watch any Purdue? The guy was on the block every possession or setting screens to open action up. That was their game, not for him to launch 3's.

Oh rly? I thought he was jacking up fade away 3's every game

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Lol... this statement is pointless.

You clearly didn't watch any Purdue games because if you did you wouldn't be saying this. He wasn't launching 3's, that wasn't their system. He has a shot, it's not broken but he clearly was not able to show it during college since his role was 90% post ups. He is showcasing his shot during workouts which is a step. We got teams across the NBA commending him for it - same with Tolzman. But the whole point of this is that if you draft him, you need to encourage him and develop the rest of his game ie. his 3, and keep growing him as a player. So yea, saying he doesn't have a usable shot is meaningless when explained the context

[PhilBlackson]

It's basically set in stone that they're taking Clingan after listening to him

It's the right move IMO if they believe in Trae and want to mask his weaknesses.

I tried to force myself to listen to it but I just can't lol too boring & Fields was just doing his best to be vague...

If you can paraphrase what part you think implied it will be Clingan?!?

I cant reopen the vid at the moment but i think it was near 345 or 4 min mark when he talks about what they value and kind of player theyre looking for.

I watched about 8 or so minutes, I did get a sense that he was looking for a defensive player but that could still very much be applicable to Sarr. Unless I missed where he mentioned that he wanted to add some size AND strength or NBA readiness, personally I don't really recall anything that really stood out that implied Clingan was the guy but of course who knows...personally I'd still be fairly surprised if Sarr isn't drafted 1st overall but he's obviously not head & shoulders above everyone else so we'll see.

[RoteSchroder]

Did you watch any Purdue? The guy was on the block every possession or setting screens to open action up. That was their game, not for him to launch 3's. He's been working on his shot for a while and as Tolzman said, Edey looks confident in workouts using it. The only way for him to show is if he gets an opportunity to expand his game with the right club. There is going to be a development curve for him either way.

what does that have to do with my post?

Unless he had a bad day, 48/100 in practice currently isn't usable in game. Yeah, he can develop it.

Did you watch any Purdue? The guy was on the block every possession or setting screens to open action up. That was their game, not for him to launch 3's.

Oh rly? I thought he was jacking up fade away 3's every game

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Lol... this statement is pointless.

You clearly didn't watch any Purdue games because if you did you wouldn't be saying this. He wasn't launching 3's, that wasn't their system. He has a shot, it's not broken but he clearly was not able to show it during college since his role was 90% post ups. He is showcasing his shot during workouts which is a step. But the whole point of this is that if you draft him, you need to encourage him and develop the rest of his game ie. his 3, and keep growing him as a player. So yea, saying he doesn't have a usable shot is meaningless.

There is a scenario where he actually does have a usable shot (e.g. he could be at JV level where he can take 1-2 per game), but didn't showcase it because of all the reasons you said.

Furthermore, an unusable shot means there's a chance he's unable to develop it to the level where it's very effective. His form looks a bit funky to me. In which case, he may as well just stick to playing near the basket.

Saying hE dIdNt sHoOt 3's iN cOlLeGe is the definition of meaningless.

[WuTang_CMB]

what does that have to do with my post?

Unless he had a bad day, 48/100 in practice currently isn't usable in game. Yeah, he can develop it.



Oh rly? I thought he was jacking up fade away 3's every game

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Lol... this statement is pointless.

You clearly didn't watch any Purdue games because if you did you wouldn't be saying this. He wasn't launching 3's, that wasn't their system. He has a shot, it's not broken but he clearly was not able to show it during college since his role was 90% post ups. He is showcasing his shot during workouts which is a step. But the whole point of this is that if you draft him, you need to encourage him and develop the rest of his game ie. his 3, and keep growing him as a player. So yea, saying he doesn't have a usable shot is meaningless.

There is a scenario where he actually does have a usable shot (e.g. he could be at JV level where he can take 1-2 per game), but didn't showcase it because of all the reasons you said.

hence why your statement was pointless and meant nothing. Just explaining it better for you since you seemed confused

[RoteSchroder]

Lol... this statement is pointless.

You clearly didn't watch any Purdue games because if you did you wouldn't be saying this. He wasn't launching 3's, that wasn't their system. He has a shot, it's not broken but he clearly was not able to show it during college since his role was 90% post ups. He is showcasing his shot during workouts which is a step. But the whole point of this is that if you draft him, you need to encourage him and develop the rest of his game ie. his 3, and keep growing him as a player. So yea, saying he doesn't have a usable shot is meaningless.

There is a scenario where he actually does have a usable shot (e.g. he could be at JV level where he can take 1-2 per game), but didn't showcase it because of all the reasons you said.

hence why your statement was pointless and meant nothing. Just explaining it better for you since you seemed confused

Except 48/100 in practice is an indication that he's not there. Given two scenarios, he's more likely to be in one of them. That's the point of my post.

The point of your post is to try and show that the point of my post has zero meaning. So if you don't want to be a hypocrite, you should reply to yourself on how meaningless your post is.

[WuTang_CMB]

There is a scenario where he actually does have a usable shot (e.g. he could be at JV level where he can take 1-2 per game), but didn't showcase it because of all the reasons you said.

hence why your statement was pointless and meant nothing. Just explaining it better for you since you seemed confused

Except 48/100 in practice is an indication that he's not there. Given two scenarios, he's more likely to be in one of them. That's the point of my post.

The point of your post is to try and show that the point of my post has zero meaning. So if you don't want to be a hypocrite, you should reply to yourself on how meaningless your post is.

It has no meaning. There's context involved which you aren't understanding still and which I explained. Oh wow - he either has a shot or no shot - great insight , bird

[RoteSchroder]

hence why your statement was pointless and meant nothing. Just explaining it better for you since you seemed confused

Except 48/100 in practice is an indication that he's not there. Given two scenarios, he's more likely to be in one of them. That's the point of my post.

The point of your post is to try and show that the point of my post has zero meaning. So if you don't want to be a hypocrite, you should reply to yourself on how meaningless your post is.

It has no meaning. There's context involved which you aren't understanding still and which I explained. Oh wow - he either has a shot or no shot - great insight , bird

Who said he has no shot? Nice logical fallacy, using a strawman when you can't win an argument. He does have a shot, it's just not as developed as one would like. That's the whole point of workouts you know? To evaluate where his shot is at.

The dude I replied to said that 48/100 was good. It's not good.

You still haven't addressed how stupid your response was. If you were to go berserk and cry over every meaningless post on realgm, you'd be sitting here all day. How much of a loser does someone gotta be to go around trying to identify meaningless posts online then berating people. And how meaningless is that?

[WuTang_CMB]

Except 48/100 in practice is an indication that he's not there. Given two scenarios, he's more likely to be in one of them. That's the point of my post.

The point of your post is to try and show that the point of my post has zero meaning. So if you don't want to be a hypocrite, you should reply to yourself on how meaningless your post is.

It has no meaning. There's context involved which you aren't understanding still and which I explained. Oh wow - he either has a shot or no shot - great insight , bird

Who said he has no shot? Nice logical fallacy, using a strawman when you can't win an argument. He does have a shot, it's just not as developed as one would like. That's the whole point of workouts you know? To evaluate where his shot is at.

The dude I replied to said that 48/100 was good. It's not good.

You still haven't addressed how stupid your response was. If you were to go berserk and cry over every meaningless post on realgm, you'd be sitting here all day. How much of a loser does someone gotta be to go around trying to identify meaningless posts online then berating people. And how meaningless is that?

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... its pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm narrowed down Tyler Smith. At worst he's a lefty PJ Washington, & he's a little bit bigger I think. He fits beside Barnes n RJ. He sets good screens, he's big/athletic enough to roll n finish & he's a good enough shooter to spread the floor for both of them & make teams pay.
Was taking NBA 3s all year in the Gleague

[elmer_yuck]

I don’t want my 7’4” 300 pound center shooting 3’s.
I want him in the paint dunking, and getting offensive rebounds off his teammates missed 3’s.

[RoteSchroder]

It has no meaning. There's context involved which you aren't understanding still and which I explained. Oh wow - he either has a shot or no shot - great insight , bird

Who said he has no shot? Nice logical fallacy, using a strawman when you can't win an argument. He does have a shot, it's just not as developed as one would like. That's the whole point of workouts you know? To evaluate where his shot is at.

The dude I replied to said that 48/100 was good. It's not good.

You still haven't addressed how stupid your response was. If you were to go berserk and cry over every meaningless post on realgm, you'd be sitting here all day. How much of a loser does someone gotta be to go around trying to identify meaningless posts online then berating people. And how meaningless is that?

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

[Fansince95]

I'm narrowed down Tyler Smith. At worst he's a lefty PJ Washington, & he's a little bit bigger I think. He fits beside Barnes n RJ. He sets good screens, he's big/athletic enough to roll n finish & he's a good enough shooter to spread the floor for both of them & make teams pay.
Was taking NBA 3s all year in the Gleague

Offensively yes, but defensively no.

Analysts have said he may be the worst defender in the entire draft

[WuTang_CMB]

Who said he has no shot? Nice logical fallacy, using a strawman when you can't win an argument. He does have a shot, it's just not as developed as one would like. That's the whole point of workouts you know? To evaluate where his shot is at.

The dude I replied to said that 48/100 was good. It's not good.

You still haven't addressed how stupid your response was. If you were to go berserk and cry over every meaningless post on realgm, you'd be sitting here all day. How much of a loser does someone gotta be to go around trying to identify meaningless posts online then berating people. And how meaningless is that?

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

Your opinion was based off a single workout and made zero sense when considering the context of his season and the many scouts who have said his shot has looked good and confident. You are now pivoting to a strawman argument because you can't really back paddel into anything else.

[Fansince95]

Who said he has no shot? Nice logical fallacy, using a strawman when you can't win an argument. He does have a shot, it's just not as developed as one would like. That's the whole point of workouts you know? To evaluate where his shot is at.

The dude I replied to said that 48/100 was good. It's not good.

You still haven't addressed how stupid your response was. If you were to go berserk and cry over every meaningless post on realgm, you'd be sitting here all day. How much of a loser does someone gotta be to go around trying to identify meaningless posts online then berating people. And how meaningless is that?

It's either usable or not. And it doesn't seem like his outside shooting is usable at the moment

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Yes he didn't shoot 3s in college.
Yes he hit 48 of 100 3s with no defenders
But what it shows is that he can add it to his game over time.
He's the best screener in the draft. His pick and pop could end up being deadly

[RoteSchroder]

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

Your opinion was based off a single workout and made zero sense when considering the context of his season and the many scouts who have said his shot has looked good and confident. You are now pivoting to a strawman argument because you can't really back paddel into anything else.

I’m sorry you’re so caught up in propaganda by scouts, but I make my own evaluations and my opinion can change based off of new information.

What do you mean by back peddle? Seems like projection.

You said I didn’t watch any Purdue games and then you said my opinion was based off of a single work out and then you said my analysis was that “he had a shot or no shot”.

You either know me really well and can read my mind and make statements for me, or those were logical fallacies and strawman arguments. Yes or no.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm narrowed down Tyler Smith. At worst he's a lefty PJ Washington, & he's a little bit bigger I think. He fits beside Barnes n RJ. He sets good screens, he's big/athletic enough to roll n finish & he's a good enough shooter to spread the floor for both of them & make teams pay.
Was taking NBA 3s all year in the Gleague

Offensively yes, but defensively no.

Analysts have said he may be the worst defender in the entire draft

Yeah defense is where he'll be able to elevate his game. To me his defense is bad because of the lack of experience & strength. Not really IQ or lack of effort thing. He has flashes of a weak side rim protector which shows some prowess

[billy_hoyle]

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Yes he didn't shoot 3s in college.
Yes he hit 48 of 100 3s with no defenders
But what it shows is that he can add it to his game over time.
He's the best screener in the draft. His pick and pop could end up being deadly

How many 3 point defenders does a 7'4" guy with a high release have? A guy being guarded by a likely slow-er and sagging big man?

What does Splash Mountain shoot in practice sessions? I'm curious

[RoteSchroder]

Again for the third time, this response was meaningless cuz you never watched a single purdue game (its fine u can admit it) and didnt understand the guy couldnt show his shot in college because of how they played. Hence, why your statement is stupid and pointless. What does a workout of 48/100 in 3 point shots mean to you? You labeling him off that single workout when every nba scout (a lot smarter than you) has said his shot has looked great and confident? You catching on now? There's context involved. It's not "his shot is unuseable, he shot 48/100 in a workout" lol ... it’s pedestrian and you misfired cuz you arent understanding.

The point of workouts is to evaluate where they’re at and what their potential may be. Different people and scouts have different opinions, even when given the same information.

Edey’s lone 3 point shot was a bank shot, which was a bit hyped up at the time, but I don’t put much value into it. Some people think 48/100 is great, I don’t. I’m not a big fan of his shooting form either, which some people do like.

Based on my own opinions, I made an educated guess on where he’s currently at.

You don’t seem to like my opinion, which has led you to making numerous logical fallacies and false assumptions. Because my opinion is against the norm of all the expert scouts, you deem my post meaningless and berate me for it.

That just about sums up our exchange.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Yes he didn't shoot 3s in college.
Yes he hit 48 of 100 3s with no defenders
But what it shows is that he can add it to his game over time.
He's the best screener in the draft. His pick and pop could end up being deadly

Well, I’d be willing to trade up for Edey even given the defensive risk. But I think his value is largely in the paint. The perimeter shooting should be an afterthought. I would guess it would turn out into more of a JV scenario on O than Brook Lopez.