JV at EuroBasket 2013 is Done, Lithuania Gets Silver

JV4MVP · Post #1961 » by **JV4MVP** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:11 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I'd say he's closer to a European Brandon Knight. I don't think he's much of a driver to the basket. He can use screens well to find space for his shot, but he's not physically imposing like Westbrook, nor is he good at drawing fouls. He doesn't have a breakdown handle, either.

Obviously any Westbrook comparison is absurd but he can easily get to the basket. He was actually a great dunker not too long ago (except that time he jumped on a cheerleader). He is the best LTU PG to get to the basket that I remember.

In the 2010 WC he got to the basket many times and has the capability to finish with a dunk in traffic, which is rare for a Euro guard.

Laure · Post #1962 » by **Laure** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Kalnietis' main strength is his driving to the basket, it's just that he tends to underuse it IMO. He has great athleticism for the PG position and he plays an efficient game though he likes to settle for the jumpshot which isn't his game at all.

Laure · Post #1963 » by **Laure** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:14 pm

JV4MVP wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:I'd say he's closer to a European Brandon Knight. I don't think he's much of a driver to the basket. He can use screens well to find space for his shot, but he's not physically imposing like Westbrook, nor is he good at drawing fouls. He doesn't have a breakdown handle, either.

Obviously any Westbrook comparison is absurd but he can easily get to the basket. He was actually a great dunker not too long ago (except that time he jumped on a cheerleader). He is the best LTU PG to get to the basket that I remember.

In the 2010 WC he got to the basket many times and has the capability to finish with a dunk in traffic, which is rare for a Euro guard.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lejQWv64yo[/youtube]

If you're reffering to this fail, that wasn't Kalnietis, it was some scrub named Parachomikas.

JV4MVP · Post #1964 » by **JV4MVP** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:15 pm

pbj wrote:I've yet to catch a game, but I've been following the boxscores.. can you tell me about Kalneitis? I find It's pretty rare to see a 6 assist 5 rebound SG in Int'l play.

Kalneitis is a hybrid PG-SG. He's not natural at either position but can def perform ball handling duties. I would even argue that he is more PG than SG as he is not a lockdown shooter.

And as far as I'm concerned he does a fine job dribbling the ball. His only weakness is that he is not a particularly good passer. Yet he can drive to the basket and shoot off the screen. And he's deceivingly athletic, def more athletic than prime Jasikevicius.

JV4MVP · Post #1965 » by **JV4MVP** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Laure wrote:If you're reffering to this fail, that wasn't Kalnietis, it was some scrub named Parachomikas.

Damn I could've sworn that was Kalneitis. It was around that time that NBA teams were considering drafting him (maybe 5 years ago) and I remember seeing that fail. Suppose its good that it wasn't him

Anyways, here's D-Mos ball handling and dunk on display (Bargnani like :lol:

):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77JxaLEiDc[/youtube]

Here's JV good D, rebound, outlet pass to Kalneitis and nice pass for the dunk:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP1M17mTaho&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhsN13M_uLLQQ8lFewoXxzA[/youtube]

MoMan24 · Post #1966 » by **MoMan24** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:19 pm

So there are JV highlight videos for almost all the friendly games but when the Tournament games start no more JV highlight clips for each game? Someone help me out here.

JV4MVP · Post #1967 » by **JV4MVP** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:41 pm

Ukraine up 1 against Serbia at the half, impressive.

Regardless if LTU finishes 1st or 2nd I feel like they're going to have to play either Spain or Greece in the first game of the QT.

lobosloboslobos · Post #1968 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:13 pm

Apart from the fact that it is a ridiculous number Jonas shooting 73% from the field is actually normal for him. I don't care about the Lithuanian team personally but if Casey does not ensure he gets 12-13 shots a game minimum this season i am going to lose my sh*t. How the LTU coach can justify not feeding him steadily in the post is beyond me but surely Masai and Casey have to look at those numbers (and SL and last year) and see what we need to do. Feed the beast!

also, re comparison to Tyson Chandler. Chandler can't hit J's at 40% from 18 feet out or FTs at 80% plus. Also, he didn't just turn 21.

Jstock12 · Post #1969 » by **Jstock12** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:15 pm

JV4MVP wrote:Obviously any Westbrook comparison is absurd but he can easily get to the basket.

THIS. But still...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LPRGcqMPck[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXFMvP3tqM[/youtube]

thehero · Post #1970 » by **thehero** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:46 pm

I wasn't comparing him to Wesbrook (go, figure), just said that their game is similar in some ways (being natural SG forced to play PG early at their career, inconsistent jumpshooter, making a lot of points near the basket, making dumb decisions at times) + Kalnietis is really atletic for a european PG. So if Nedovic is European Rose, we can say that Kalnietis is Euro Westbrook.

Post #1971 » by **Patman** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:53 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:also, re comparison to Tyson Chandler. Chandler can't hit J's at 40% from 18 feet out or FTs at 80% plus. Also, he didn't just turn 21.

This is the context that I was looking for. NOW you can make a case for more touches for JV. I was just saying, you can't simply say a high FG% player needs more touches. You need MORE info.

JV4MVP · Post #1972 » by **JV4MVP** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:20 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:Apart from the fact that it is a ridiculous number Jonas shooting 73% from the field is actually normal for him. I don't care about the Lithuanian team personally but if Casey does not ensure he gets 12-13 shots a game minimum this season i am going to lose my sh*t. How the LTU coach can justify not feeding him steadily in the post is beyond me but surely Masai and Casey have to look at those numbers (and SL and last year) and see what we need to do. Feed the beast!

also, re comparison to Tyson Chandler. Chandler can't hit J's at 40% from 18 feet out or FTs at 80% plus. Also, he didn't just turn 21.

Sorry loboballs

, but as someone who has watched ALL but 1 LTU game I can say that Valanciunas is NOT GOOD at the post up game yet.

JV has a high % b.c. he cleaned up a lot of misses and was a recipient of great passes. JV has not shot ~75% b.c. he dominated iso situations. He has arguably been detrimental to the team in terms of ISO play.

Regarding Casey, the coach is a clown. I don't think you can expect any rational decisions from him b.c. he's intoxicated by seniority. Obviously JV deserves something like 28 minutes and 10 FGs per game but Casey is not a very competent coach offensively. He's going to sub JV after he misses his first defensive rotation and allow Aaron Gray or whoever to make those mistakes a multiple times. The Raptors will be cringe worthy until 2014-1015. #tankforWiggins

lobosloboslobos · Post #1973 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:55 pm

JV4MVP wrote:JV has a high % b.c. he cleaned up a lot of misses and was a recipient of great passes. JV has not shot ~75% b.c. he dominated iso situations. He has arguably been detrimental to the team in terms of ISO play.

yeah obviously he's not actually going to shoot 75% in the NBA, and to the extent that I have watched some of the games I know his post play has been a work in progress. But I also continue to think that he will do better in the NBA than he has in this tournament, that he is for whatever reason holding back on his J but that he has shown that he can hit it and will again once the NBA season starts, and that he is figuring out how to expand his game and like anyone that often comes with some friction in the rest of your game, because you're not relying on the stuff you've already mastered that you know works. Keep in mind he shot 62% for the last 2 months of the season last year. Also, the more touches he gets down low the more FTs he will get, and of course he will improve those things he is working on as he does so.

So I repeat, feed the beast!

KarolisJ · Post #1974 » by **KarolisJ** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:11 pm

Laure wrote:
JV4MVP wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:I'd say he's closer to a European Brandon Knight. I don't think he's much of a driver to the basket. He can use screens well to find space for his shot, but he's not physically imposing like Westbrook, nor is he good at drawing fouls. He doesn't have a breakdown handle, either.

Obviously any Westbrook comparison is absurd but he can easily get to the basket. He was actually a great dunker not too long ago (except that time he jumped on a cheerleader). He is the best LTU PG to get to the basket that I remember.

In the 2010 WC he got to the basket many times and has the capability to finish with a dunk in traffic, which is rare for a Euro guard.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lejQWv64yo[/youtube]

If you're reffering to this fail, that wasn't Kalnietis, it was some scrub named Parachomikas.

Jesus Christ, what are the odds? Somebody just posted my youtube video...

theycallmeZZ · Post #1975 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:45 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P742006SuA4[/youtube]

Translate?

theycallmeZZ · Post #1976 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:49 pm

UcanUwill · Post #1977 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:38 am

I hate when people say Kalnietis is natural SG. He really isn't. Not being natural PG, does not make you nataural SG... He is unorthodox PG, but he is not SG, he is not even a combo in my book.

It is very hard to compare Kalnietis so someone else. Knight comparison is horrible IMO, not even close.

He reminds me of faster and more explosive Greivis Vasquez. Inferior handles and 3 point shooting, yet superior court vision, strange of the dribble release, both oversized, rarely rushes or makes bad playmaking decisions...

Mototaupa · Post #1978 » by **Mototaupa** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:29 am

Kalnietis is PG in PG's body (great body for PG), but hes main weaknesses is is what shoud be PG;s main strenghts : very high drible, inconsistent shooter, bellow average P'n'R. Hes great when ball start moving faster from side too side then up and down, and game starts flowing freely. Makes good decisions on fastbrakes, but bad ones on halfcourt pressure. Does not have killer instinct, like most of PG's have, but is smart and always play for a team. He's great athlete (by EU standarts) for PG, rarely gets dominated by opposing ones on defence or on offence. Aswell on my oppinion he is entering hes prime about now, so only now it will be more clear what hes made of. I like him for LTU NT, because he always tries hard for the team and doesnt let anyone dominate him, while occasionaly dominates hes counterparts on other team himself.

Mototaupa · Post #1979 » by **Mototaupa** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:12 pm

theycallmeZZ wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P742006SuA4[/youtube]

Translate?

Nofing much, they played alias. 1st burst of lol was when Seibutis described Lithuanian estrada singer

Spoiler:

and JV's answer was guy on left, one of assistant coaches, NO NOT THE ONE WHO CRITICASED hes game

Spoiler:

Second burst of lols was when Seibutis described "pintine"

Spoiler:

JV messed with Lithuanian language (yes i blame raptors for making him overfocus on hes english <green) and hes answer was "pynute"

Spoiler:

UcanUwill · Post #1980 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:24 pm

So, if Greece loses this, they're out?

Italy is one center away from being a really good team. Not Bargnani type, post presence type. Their perimeter scoring is elite - Gentile, DaTome, Bellineli, Aradori + healthy Gallo as SF/PF.