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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1961 » by Chalky_White » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:24 am

aminiaturebuddha wrote:So Canada's win was great, obviously, but in terms of Olympic qualifying, they basically just kept themselves in the race. 2 of the Americas teams lost their first games (Mexico and Venezuela) but the US, DR, PR and Brazil all won.

If both make it, Canada and Brazil will be in the same second round group, but the same is true for the DR and PR. I would expect one of those teams to make it to the quarters out of their second round group alongside Serbia. The US will also almost certainly make it.

That'll likely mean 3 Americas teams in the quarters. Basically, I think we're going to need to make the semis to assure ourselves of an Olympic spot.


The hope is Italy joining Serbia in the quarters, at both DR and PR's expense. I think Italy's chances are good since they seem to outperform expectations the last few years.
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Post#1962 » by aminiaturebuddha » Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:45 am

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TheRedRocket wrote:
If Canada qualifies for Olympics, who would they cut from this current roster to add them?

It would be sting these current guys if they don’t get priority over the ones who didn’t commit.

My wish is that Tristan joins this team. He’s going to be very helpful for the Olympics if they make it.


I'd bet only Murray would be on the Olympics team, as he's the only one of those who is part of the committed core and showed up to the practices.

Tristan is done, definitely with Team Canada, and possibly with serious basketball. He didn't play a single regular season minute last year, and a grand total of 32 minutes over 6 games in the playoffs when the Lakers were looking for answers or in garbage time.

As for Wiggins and Sharpe, the Wiggins story has been discussed ad nauseam. And I'm not sure that Sharpe would actually earn a spot on the current team on merit (rather than potential) at this time, and certainly not over two other guys who aren't on the team in Mathurin and Nembhard.


if NAW is there Sharpe should be there too.


Disagree. They aren't the same at all, especially for FIBA play. NAW has had an inconsistent NBA career so far, but is older, more established, and has much more experience in FIBA and playing with Canada.

And more importantly, he's a better defender at this stage of his career and knows his role on this team. All of that is worth more at this stage than Sharpe's athleticism and potential. FIBA tournaments aren't won by young guys like Sharpe.

I'd like to get him in the fold for future events, of course, and so I hope he's on the program's radar, but at this point he and NAW aren't at the same level for Team Canada at all.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1963 » by Dino-Might » Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:14 am

Dominican Republic beat Italy. Looks like they will top their group and be in a good position to advance past the second round and into the quarterfinals.

That means Canada will need to get past the quarterfinals in order to assure they get an Olympic spot. That means we probably have to beat one of Austalia, Germany or Slovenia.

That Olympic spot is not assured despite the great start for Canada.
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Post#1964 » by BilboBanginz » Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:57 am

We have to hope that Serbia beats both Italy and DR in Round 2, that way DR will play USA in the quarters (assuming USA goes undefeated through Round 1 & 2).
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Post#1965 » by TheFutureMM » Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:24 pm

Thing is, if you lose in the quarters, you end up playing a full bracket for spots 5 - 8. It looks like DR is going to make the quarters (good for them btw) but also doesn't mean we necessarily need to make the semis to get past them.

Again not ideal, for us to lose in the quarters, but also doesn't mean the Olympic bid is done 100%.

Also, in other news, the fact that we ended up beating France by more than 20 points is just such a blessing. FIBA's convoluted rankings system considers so many things, but one of them is the margin of victory (I didn't realize this until this AM as I thought it only mattered for that specific tournament). We stand to jump quite a bit in the rankings if we also beat Spain in R2 by a similar margin.
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Post#1966 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:36 pm

How do the Americas only get two spots anyway? Seems low
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Post#1967 » by TheFutureMM » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:50 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:How do the Americas only get two spots anyway? Seems low


Euros only get 2 as well. I think the real nonsense is that Oceaniana (Australia/New Zealand) gets a guaranteed spot.
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Post#1968 » by lexxus » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:51 pm

Yeah, they should put them in Asia and call it Asia-Oceania. It is pretty damn stupid lol
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Post#1969 » by TheFutureMM » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:54 pm

lexxus wrote:Yeah, they should put them in Asia and call it Asia-Oceania. It is pretty damn stupid lol


Completely agreed. I bet the fear there is that Austrailia and New Zealand would regularly take those spots.
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Post#1970 » by Elmago » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:54 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:How do the Americas only get two spots anyway? Seems low

Only 7 spots are awarded from World Cup, so it is 2/7 from Americas.
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Post#1971 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:15 pm

Elmago wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:How do the Americas only get two spots anyway? Seems low

Only 7 spots are awarded from World Cup, so it is 2/7 from Americas.

I should know this, but if we don't get one of the two spots there's another way in right? Like with last time when we lost to Satoransky and co?
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Post#1972 » by CharlieTO » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:19 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
Elmago wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:How do the Americas only get two spots anyway? Seems low

Only 7 spots are awarded from World Cup, so it is 2/7 from Americas.

I should know this, but if we don't get one of the two spots there's another way in right? Like with last time when we lost to Satoransky and co?


Yes. 4 tournaments and the winner of each qualifies.
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Post#1973 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:45 pm

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Elmago wrote:Only 7 spots are awarded from World Cup, so it is 2/7 from Americas.

I should know this, but if we don't get one of the two spots there's another way in right? Like with last time when we lost to Satoransky and co?


Yes. 4 tournaments and the winner of each qualifies.

So we could win that, but of course much better to avoid it, because it's hard enough to get all our players together.
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Post#1974 » by CharlieTO » Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:56 pm

We could win it yes, but sometimes the groups can be complicated. One positive is that these tournaments happen right before the games and they would be good in the sense that the team can play more games together and enter the games with more chemistry and momentum, but it would be more minutes for the players and a greater chance to experience injuries which would be a terrible thing.
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Post#1975 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:07 pm

CharlieTO wrote:We could win it yes, but sometimes the groups can be complicated. One positive is that these tournaments happen right before the games and they would be good in the sense that the team can play more games together and enter the games with more chemistry and momentum, but it would be more minutes for the players and a greater chance to experience injuries which would be a terrible thing.


Yeah I remember now, our team would have gone right from Victoria to Tokyo if we'd won that.

Speaking of that team, a poster reminded me recently that Trey Lyles was on that team. Anyone know why he's not playing now? Didn't join the 3 year commitment group, or wasn't selected, or what?
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Post#1976 » by Bobby Plump » Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:03 pm

Brooks is having a nice tournament I'd say.
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Post#1977 » by Chalky_White » Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:04 am

TheFutureMM wrote:Thing is, if you lose in the quarters, you end up playing a full bracket for spots 5 - 8. It looks like DR is going to make the quarters (good for them btw) but also doesn't mean we necessarily need to make the semis to get past them.

Again not ideal, for us to lose in the quarters, but also doesn't mean the Olympic bid is done 100%.

Also, in other news, the fact that we ended up beating France by more than 20 points is just such a blessing. FIBA's convoluted rankings system considers so many things, but one of them is the margin of victory (I didn't realize this until this AM as I thought it only mattered for that specific tournament). We stand to jump quite a bit in the rankings if we also beat Spain in R2 by a similar margin.


Ya, making the quarters at least is a must now. The Dominicans aren't making it easy.
Still hoping for a deep tournament run but the 5-8 classification round is looking like a decent fallback option for olympic qualification. Gotta avoid relying on the last chance qualifier next summer.
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Post#1978 » by CharlieTO » Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:51 am

If there is an automatic Olympic spot for Oceania between New Zealand and Australia and Australia makes it out of their group and New Zealand doesn't do you guys think Australia will take their foot off the gas in the quarters as they will already be qualified for the Games?
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Post#1979 » by vi3t » Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:13 am

CharlieTO wrote:If there is an automatic Olympic spot for Oceania between New Zealand and Australia and Australia makes it out of their group and New Zealand doesn't do you guys think Australia will take their foot off the gas in the quarters as they will already be qualified for the Games?

no not at all, it's the world cup and ranking and national pride is on the line
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Post#1980 » by frumble » Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:05 pm

Any word on Dort's availability for the Latvia game?

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