2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[LBJKB24MJ23]

You guys are gonna love having Yak back until he's clanging FTs in the Playoffs and useless offensively in crunch time.

Raps Fans gonna Raps Fans

[TRik]

Bulls fan here,

what about a Coby White/Chris Boucher deal?

If Dragic's deal can be converted at the deadline into some bench pieces one of whom plays the five then I would be open to that.

White seems nice enough but I don’t rate him.

[StopitLeo]

Only get a C if its a sure fire upgrade over everyone we have currently. Turner/Poetl, etc..Other than that, I have zero interest in marginal Centers that may or may not be better than Birch/Precious/Boucher.

What this team needs is another Guard who can dribble and shoot from the bench.

Our Guard depth outside of Fred/Trent is ass

When looking at Poeltl we should also try to get McDermott. Deadly 3pt shooter and since last year he has showed some ability to get to the rim.

[PhilBlackson]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

[Asif16]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

Thats a massive overpayment from our end. Gary Harris is not good and terrible advanced stats. Bamba is injury prone and is not worth both Flynn AND a 1st.

We can get both both for cheaper. I'd still look elsewhere for better options however before doing that

[Madhouse]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

agreed.

[Ell Curry]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

Trading:
5 X (OG/Siakam/Bruno/Flynn/Delon) / 5 on a rookie scale deal
FOR
Mo Bamba on what a 33/3 deal this summer is bad value.

Also no money for a guard or we lose Boucher if we do this, or pay the tax.

[StopitLeo]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

Thats a massive overpayment from our end. Gary Harris is not good and terrible advanced stats. Bamba is injury prone and is not worth both Flynn AND a 1st.

We can get both both for cheaper. I'd still look elsewhere for better options however before doing that

Massive overpayment?

Dragic isn’t playing and Flynn is a 3rd string PG that rarely plays.

A protected 1st will convey as a pick in the 20s based on the team’s trajectory. If the team thinks Bamba can be a solid piece moving forward he is going to contribute more than a late 1st round pick we need to develop for 3 years.

Harris is not $20M/y good but he’s playing solidly.

[Morris_Shatford]

My opinion on Bamba (Or any RFA for that matter) changed just a little today;
With the luxury tax line moving to 147m next season and us being at 110m for 10 guys, there is a little more runway than we had yesterday.

We can use the full MLE, sign our FRP, and be at 122m giving us 25m between us and the tax line now;
We could in theory absorb the full 19m in salaries for next season using the Dragic contract and still have 6m to fill out the roster with min guys.

[billy_hoyle]

Tor in: Nurkic and CJ
Tor out: Dragic, Boucher, Birch, Flynn, Watanabe and 2x 1sts

FVV
Trent
OG
Siakam
Nurkic

CJ, Barnes and Precious

8 man rotation.
Banton + Champ still here

[Gold Dragon]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

I like that package. The only concern is you need to include Boucher, who is currently quite important to the team, to avoid the tax.

Bamba is a good developmental project that I think will be better than anyone we draft who will likely be much further away from playoff usefulness. At the same time Bamba himself is going to be unplayable this playoffs while we need Boucher. I can’t believe I am saying that as I have never been a fan of his game. But Boucher has really made a massive leap the last few months in terms of understanding his skills, role and fit on this team.

If we trade Boucher, we have to get another big who is playable in the playoffs. I can’t see Nurse trusting Bamba or Precious in the playoffs.

Harris while not worth his current expiring contract is the type of player all playoff teams will want. Hard nosed defender, decent range, can handle the ball, good lockerroom vet. And next year I expect his contract to be fairly reasonable with his injury history and projection as a high end bench player.

[PhilBlackson]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

I like that package. The only concern is you need to include Boucher, who is currently quite important to the team, to avoid the tax.

Bamba is a good developmental project that I think will be better than anyone we draft who will likely be much further away from playoff usefulness. At the same time Bamba himself is going to be unplayable this playoffs while we need Boucher. I can’t believe I am saying that as I have never been a fan of his game. But Boucher has really made a massive leap the last few months in terms of understanding his skills, role and fit on this team.

If we trade Boucher, we have to get another big who is playable in the playoffs. I can’t see Nurse trusting Bamba or Precious in the playoffs.

Harris while not worth his current expiring contract is the type of player all playoff teams will want. Hard nosed defender, decent range, can handle the ball, good lockerroom vet. And next year I expect his contract to be fairly reasonable with his injury history and projection as a high end bench player.

Firstly I don't see why the assumption is made Bamba would be unplayable, that seems to be based off of nothing. Skillwise he would have plenty to offer as big that would stretch the floor out for Pascal, Scottie & OG and of course allow us to match up with bigger guys like Giannis, Embiid which Chris can't do and heck even CLE with Mobley/Allen. It's also a weird assumption when Boucher hasn't at all proven himself as a reliable Playoff performer and I have no idea why would we assume Bamba who is actually a better player than Chris, wouldn't be able to give us anything...

But more importantly, that's ridiculously short sighted. Majority of us agree Chris won't be here next year, so we don't make a move for a young, high upside C because of whatever MINOR contributions Boucher MIGHT make and under the unfounded assumption Bamba can't contribute himself?!? That's silly especially even at the height of Chris' impact we're not talking about the difference of making the Finals or being a 1st rd elimination lol at absolute best he MAY contribute to helping win a series (he certainly won't be the main difference maker).

This also is not some make or break season, we're just getting restarted. Masai even said this was a developmental season, you're talking like we can't afford to take a slight step back (which is actually a baseless assumption) in order to take some big steps forward. Isn't this the same board that SWEARS by the Playoffs helping develop guys for the long term???? Pretty sure it is, so if anything it's nice to let Bamba get these reps in now while we build him up and develop him. I see absolutely no reason we wouldn't make the move for Mo and especially not based on a vet that won't be here next year one way or the other.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

I like that package. The only concern is you need to include Boucher, who is currently quite important to the team, to avoid the tax.

Bamba is a good developmental project that I think will be better than anyone we draft who will likely be much further away from playoff usefulness. At the same time Bamba himself is going to be unplayable this playoffs while we need Boucher. I can’t believe I am saying that as I have never been a fan of his game. But Boucher has really made a massive leap the last few months in terms of understanding his skills, role and fit on this team.

If we trade Boucher, we have to get another big who is playable in the playoffs. I can’t see Nurse trusting Bamba or Precious in the playoffs.

Harris while not worth his current expiring contract is the type of player all playoff teams will want. Hard nosed defender, decent range, can handle the ball, good lockerroom vet. And next year I expect his contract to be fairly reasonable with his injury history and projection as a high end bench player.

Boucher is fools gold.

[Gold Dragon]

Bamba is not a good defender right now. Also can’t avoid foul trouble. He will get destroyed by playoff offenses. Yes he is a rim protector but there is much more to defense than blocks. While Bamba has potential, he is far from a guarantee of ever being better than what he is now, an intriguing prospect that is not a rotation player on a playoff team. Many prospects don’t make it. Just like whoever ends up drafted with our 2022 1st. Just like Boucher before this season.

I think Precious who is younger than Bamba is further along in his development.

I think Boucher has earned another contract with the team.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

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[PhilBlackson]

Bamba is not a good defender right now. Also can’t avoid foul trouble. He will get destroyed by playoff offenses. Yes he is a rim protector but there is much more to defense than blocks. While Bamba has potential, he is far from a guarantee of ever being better than what he is now, an intriguing prospect that is not a rotation player on a playoff team. Many prospects don’t make it. Just like whoever ends up drafted with our 2022 1st. Just like Boucher before this season.

I think Precious who is younger than Bamba is further along in his development.

I think Boucher has earned another contract with the team.

How is Precious supposedly further along in his development (with a whopping ONE year age difference)?!?

Bamba is a better shotblocker and shooter across the board (despite being the taller/longer player). I've seen Bamba do much more offensively than Precious. Also ever think some of the foul trouble also might be due in part to having to secure the rim for the league's worst defence?!

[Saul Goodman]

How about this?


Bledsoe
Nurkic


for

Dragic (waived)
Chris Boucher
Malachi Flynn


basically we add two rotational guys of need in a backup guard and a centre. would Portland actually do business with Masai again or are we on the Dolan like blacklist

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think that focusing on bigs is still the wrong move. Gotta look at guards and wings first. Gordon then Barnes and then burks/walker. Bamba is fools gold who is overhyped by his draft spot and little else.

[Gold Dragon]

Bamba is not a good defender right now. Also can’t avoid foul trouble. He will get destroyed by playoff offenses. Yes he is a rim protector but there is much more to defense than blocks. While Bamba has potential, he is far from a guarantee of ever being better than what he is now, an intriguing prospect that is not a rotation player on a playoff team. Many prospects don’t make it. Just like whoever ends up drafted with our 2022 1st. Just like Boucher before this season.

I think Precious who is younger than Bamba is further along in his development.

I think Boucher has earned another contract with the team.

How is Precious supposedly further along in his development (with a whopping ONE year age difference)?!?

Bamba is a better shotblocker and shooter across the board (despite being the taller/longer player). I've seen Bamba do much more offensively than Precious. Also ever think some of the foul trouble also might be due in part to having to secure the rim for the league's worst defence?!

Yes Bamba is a better shooter and rim protector than Precious. But Precious at this stage of the game is the better positional/switchable defender which is what nurse wants in his rotation players. Precious’ offense will keep him on the bench in the playoffs but I expect him to make strides there to be a contributor next year. Bamba I’m not sold his defense will ever be playoff quality but he is definitely worth taking a gamble and seeing how much of his problems were from Orlando’s developmental system. He is far from a sure thing.

If we are trying to get help for our starters, getting rid of our best bench player in this recent run is a risky move. I understand Boucher is not someone important enough to stop you from making team improving moves. And if it makes sense to include him, we need another big that can give us playoff minutes other than Birch. Basically we need another Boucher.

[ash_k]

I think that focusing on bigs is still the wrong move. Gotta look at guards and wings first. Gordon then Barnes and then burks/walker. Bamba is fools gold who is overhyped by his draft spot and little else.

> OG, Barnes and Siakam can all be considered GUARDS as well.
>We have 3 "backup" Point Guards in Siakam, Barnes and Banton
>We started Pascal|GTj|OG|Achiuwa|Boucher and neutralized a team like the Hornets
>guards&wings should not be the priority