Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Ell Curry]

I honestly think this is just insiders not knowing what the Raptors want to do. I can't imagine the team not knowing what direction they want to take. Though giving no indication you're willing to trade at the moment can only help drive up the price if that's what they end up doing.

I think ultimately it comes down to the offers on the table. Either someone offers the extra asset to beat out the other main bidder for say Van Vleet, or they don't. Less about how we do this week and more about how worried various GMs from playoff teams are about their position if they don't at least win a round or ideally make the conference finals.

[WuTang_CMB]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

[Los_29]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

[bobbyp3588]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

I personally won’t mind if we trade either of them or both even.

If we trade neither, then I couldn’t disagree with you more. If we hold on to them we absolutely must pay them their money - as long as we’re paying “market value”. It’s the only way to protect the assets.

[tecumseh18]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

No, you also know that Masai has established negotiation cred in this league. He's been accumulating it since his Denver days, and most recently with the 2018 Kawhi deal (where he refused to give up OG or Pascal, or both!) and the 2021 Lowry non-deal at the deadline. Masai has proven that he's is perfectly willing to walk away from a sub-optimal deal. All the GMs know that. And that's a very useful reputation to have going into this franchise-defining deadline.

And every game that the Raptors win, strengthens our negotiating hand. Ideally, the Raps, Magic and Wiz keep winning up to the deadline, so we maintain the flexibility to break either way.

[WuTang_CMB]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

[WuTang_CMB]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

No, you also know that Masai has established negotiation cred in this league. He's been accumulating it since his Denver days, and most recently with the 2018 Kawhi deal (where he refused to give up OG or Pascal, or both!) and the 2021 Lowry non-deal at the deadline. Masai has proven that he's is perfectly willing to walk away from a sub-optimal deal. All the GMs know that. And that's a very useful reputation to have going into this franchise-defining deadline.

And every game that the Raptors win, strengthens our negotiating hand. Ideally, the Raps, Magic and Wiz keep winning up to the deadline, so we maintain the flexibility to break either way.

Masai is master of the smoke. Always keep teams guessing. That's why he's toying with the media. Rumours are double down and tank. You dont know wtf to think as an opposing team.

[WuTang_CMB]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

I personally won’t mind if we trade either of them or both even.

If we trade neither, then I couldn’t disagree with you more. If we hold on to them we absolutely must pay them their money - as long as we’re paying “market value”. It’s the only way to protect the assets.

We aren't letting any of these guys walking for nothing. Masai will get something at deadline or off-season S and T. But these are going to be big contracts, so I dont see both being signed.

[bobbyp3588]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

It’s not clear to me exactly what you’re saying. Are you saying trade Fred at all costs? Ie. there is no future in which we have to decide on paying Fred? Or are you saying try to trade Fred, but if you can’t then let him walk?

I can’t agree with letting him walk, if that’s what you’re saying. He’ll continue to be attractive to some other teams no matter what his number is. Ergo, he’ll continue to be a positive asset so you make damn sure you sign him. Then look to flip him for different assets at first opportunity. Asset management 101…

[WuTang_CMB]

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

It’s not clear to me exactly what you’re saying. Are you saying trade Fred at all costs? Ie. there is no future in which we have to decide on paying Fred? Or are you saying try to trade Fred, but if you can’t then let him walk?

I can’t agree with letting him walk, if that’s what you’re saying. He’ll continue to be attractive to some other teams no matter what his number is. Ergo, he’ll continue to be a positive asset so you make damn sure you sign him. Then look to flip him for different assets at first opportunity. Asset management 101…

Read my post above. We aren't going to let these guys walk for nothing. That's not how Masai operates.

I am saying you cant keep both at their contract asks because of the current status of the team. It's just too much money and they are likely 4/5 in the core "heirarchy".

So you either sign one of them and keep
Trade one or both at deadline
Do S and T for one or both
... etc

[alpngso]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10063039-2023-nba-trade-watch-best-available-wings-and-their-top-landing-spots

If Anunoby were available, he'd have a list of suitors too long to name, given he's under contract for another season plus a player option ($19.9 million) for 2024-25.

Siakam is a little more complex at a pricier $35.4 million salary with $38 million due for 2023-24. The Mavericks could be a suitor. One executive suggested the Warriors give up their younger players (James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga and/or Moses Moody) along with Draymond Green to the Raptors for Siakam and others.

Does Dallas have anything to trade for Siakam other than Doncic? wtf is this coming from? lol

[Lord_Zedd]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10063039-2023-nba-trade-watch-best-available-wings-and-their-top-landing-spots

If Anunoby were available, he'd have a list of suitors too long to name, given he's under contract for another season plus a player option ($19.9 million) for 2024-25.

Siakam is a little more complex at a pricier $35.4 million salary with $38 million due for 2023-24. The Mavericks could be a suitor. One executive suggested the Warriors give up their younger players (James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga and/or Moses Moody) along with Draymond Green to the Raptors for Siakam and others.

Does Dallas have anything to trade for Siakam other than Doncic? wtf is this coming from? lol

Only thing Dallas can offer are picks. And those picks are only good if Luka isn't playing for a good part of the season.
Josh Green doesn't excite me and their salary filler should cost them 1st round picks alone to take.

[Los_29]

All i know is you cant pay Trent and Fred their money.

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

I don't think OG has that much more room to grow. His athletic limitations really put a cap on how good he can become. This is a massive opportunity for the franchise to get a massive haul for a player that will likely never make an all-star team. I'm a huge fan of OG but it would be silly to not move him if these rumours are true about how valuable he is around the league.

I doubt Fred gets anywhere near 35 million. I wouldn't want him back at that number. But if he's in that 25-28 million range then it would make sense from a value standpoint. A lot more sense than paying a guy like GTJ that kind of money.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

I don't think OG has that much more room to grow. His athletic limitations really put a cap on how good he can become. This is a massive opportunity for the franchise to get a massive haul for a player that will likely never make an all-star team. I'm a huge fan of OG but it would be silly to not move him if these rumours are true about how valuable he is around the league.

I doubt Fred gets anywhere near 35 million. I wouldn't want him back at that number. But if he's in that 25-28 million range then it would make sense from a value standpoint. A lot more sense than paying a guy like GTJ that kind of money.

He’s better off taking the 114/4 money then. I wonder if that’s why he switched agents. If he wanted to go to FA he’d have switched agents towards the end of the season.

[dgr81]

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As SNY reported, the Knicks also checked in with Toronto about OG Anunoby. This was before New York reeled off eight straight wins in December. But given Toronto’s place in the standings, Anunoby could be available at the deadline. So that’s something to monitor.

Also worth noting: in their conversation about Anunoby prior to the winning streak, New York was comfortable offering multiple first-round picks for Anunoby. I don’t think these talks were at an advanced stage at that point. But all of the above strongly suggests that team decision-makers have, so far, focused on improving the roster for at the Feb. 9 trade deadline.

[dgr81]

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[WuTang_CMB]

It really doesn't make sense when the team is 22-27. You can't re-sign all these guys when they are this mediocre. Someone has to go and also OG if he is indeed unhappy with his role here and he's as valuable as what has been reported.

Listen even if we have a good road trip and get to 26-30, 28-28 ... it doesnt really matter in my eyes.

AT BEST, this team is a .500 club within the rest of the landscape of the eastern conference. Siakam and Fred have pretty much peaked as players and they are going to cost north of $60M and likely more once Siakam's possible extension is signed.

Barnes / OG / Achiuwa still have room to grow (I think we can agree Barnes has the biggest potential out of the 3) but even then, I don't he will get you there. Also, I dont think he gets you there with Fred in the way (from how hes acted thus far)

I would keep Trent at a good number cuz he fits the younger timeline and we need his shooting.

But you cannot pay Fred 30-35M. We can better spend his money elsewhere.

I don't think OG has that much more room to grow. His athletic limitations really put a cap on how good he can become. This is a massive opportunity for the franchise to get a massive haul for a player that will likely never make an all-star team. I'm a huge fan of OG but it would be silly to not move him if these rumours are true about how valuable he is around the league.

I doubt Fred gets anywhere near 35 million. I wouldn't want him back at that number. But if he's in that 25-28 million range then it would make sense from a value standpoint. A lot more sense than paying a guy like GTJ that kind of money.

ya it doesnt matter on OG anyway even if he does. Raps at a crossroads with these contracts. It would be a very different story if the team was sitting top 2 in the east and dominating. They are 6th last in the league. People think Masai is going to run it back like he has in the past .. but those demar/kyle teams were always top 3 in the east. Somethings gotta give.

[Reeko]

from our friend jake fischer on some podcast today

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30-35 million? Here's the list of players making that kind of money this season. There are some terrible contracts in this list and if Fred's name were to appear here, his would be one of them.

Karl-Anthony Towns
24. Devin Booker
24. Kristaps Porzingis
27. Jrue Holiday
28. Joel Embiid
28. Andrew Wiggins
30. CJ McCollum
31. Nikola Jokic
32. James Harden
33. Jamal Murray
33. Brandon Ingram
35. D'Angelo Russell
36. Michael Porter
36. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
36. Donovan Mitchell
36. Deandre Ayton
40. Jayson Tatum
40. Bam Adebayo
40. De'Aaron Fox
43. Gordon Hayward

[HumbleRen]

from our friend jake fischer on some podcast today

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30-35m.

[HumbleRen]

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