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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1981 » by SkywalkerAC » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:26 pm

Has anyone read any of Darko’s stuff? One podcast guest said the offense would probably feature two hubs at the high post, with the initial ball handler passing to the wings and heading to the weak side, and less so dependent on high pick and roll to initiate.
Any of that ring a bell to anyone?

Just gets me thinking that Scottie can thrive both as one of those hubs and as the guy passing off and cutting through (presumably into a side DHO action that could get Scottie downhill or who knows what).

Any insights into this kind of play action? Can’t wait to see what the basic version looks like on Oct 8th!
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1982 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:31 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:Has anyone read any of Darko’s stuff? One podcast guest said the offense would probably feature two hubs at the high post, with the initial ball handler passing to the wings and heading to the weak side, and less so dependent on high pick and roll to initiate.
Any of that ring a bell to anyone?

Just gets me thinking that Scottie can thrive both as one of those hubs and as the guy passing off and cutting through (presumably into a side DHO action that could get Scottie downhill or who knows what).

Any insights into this kind of play action? Can’t wait to see what the basic version looks like on Oct 8th!


I'm pretty sure Scottie said that Darko wants to run a lot of high pick and rolls. I dunno, what did the Knicks run last year?
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1983 » by Spates » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:32 pm

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I don't think it's all that meaningful considering the woeful bench last year. There's a similar bump for Pascal, and Fred and Poeltl aren't far off, according to nba.com (slightly lower number for Scottie than posted). And Pascal and Fred would almost certainly be carrying more bench blended line-ups than Scottie last season, dragging their on court results down.

For Scottie to be that guy you see him as he has to score slightly <20 super efficiently, and be a DPOY calibre player. So he has to go from one of the worst midrange shooters in the league to respectable to weaponized, so that he can be like Jimmy Butler ref bait his way to cheap points.

Hey ATL, how are you?

My numbers are from cleaning the glass.

I think it's pretty meaningful. It's not an above replacement stat. When Barnes is on the floor, regardless of the four other teammates, on avg the team's efg% increases by 3. The year prior he was a negative in that regard. -0.8%


It's not a bad thing, but I don't think it contains much to get excited about. Cleaning the glass has Aaron Gordon at 5.6.

This is why I routinely being up context.

Scottie efg% 48.7
Gordon efg% 60.3

You can infer meaning from their usage. Aaron Gordon was the recipient of passes from Jokic, he's a finisher. Scottie was pretty inefficient when it's all said and done but the team is more efficient with his presence. All without being a focal point.
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Post#1984 » by SkywalkerAC » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:34 pm

Of course Darko also likes pick and roll but this guest was making it sound like it wouldn’t be at the core of his philosophy and in implementing it from day 1 may not want high usage dribble-attack guard (like Dennis) to run it out of the gates each night, as it might not maximize Shroder’s talents with the ball in his hands. The insinuation being that Dennis might be better served with more creative leeway off the bench. Anyone else hear this one?
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1985 » by Duffman100 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:38 pm

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