Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

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I'd love to see the look on their faces if Donny Walsh pulled up with LeBron.

Anyway, these articles are good for the Raptors. Houston's made it clear they're willing to pay, now Chicago and Miami know the score.

If I'm the Raptors, I wouldn't touch a Houston package until I see what New York does.

Why would you wait? What is NYK going to give us in a sign and trade if Bosh goes there? They don't have a draft pick in June, they swap down with Houston in 2011, Houston has their 2012 pick. They claim Gallo is untouchable. That leaves Wilson Chandler and the guy nobody here really wants, David Lee, who is going to be subject to a bidding war.

If I'm BC and Bosh isn't returning, I'm going to urge Chris to take the best Western Conference deal as fast as he can.

[killerbs]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Replace Ariza with Brooks or Chase/Kyle and im sold

[Skeebs]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Thats disgusting, I dont want ariza. Send back budinger instead.

[supersub15]

Question about the full-court press teams put on to woo free agent: Should the Raptors be the first to Bosh's door (if they want to keep him) or should they wait it out (let the others trip over themselves), then make a visit to Mr. Bosh?

[lucky777s]

There seems little doubt around the NBA that financial issues will force the Raptors to trade Bosh.

Huh?

Haven't you heard? Bosh tweeted that there is not enough money in all of Canada for him to stay with the Raps.

[supersub15]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

Thats disgusting, I dont want ariza. Send back budinger instead.

Houston doesn't have many salaries to match $17M. It's either Ariza or Martin. And I doubt Martin is coming our way.

[Dr Octagon]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

That's a pretty weaksauce package IMO. I keep thinking we can do better. The only real asset in that trade is the Jeffries expiring which doesn't really do much good for a rebuilding team. Hill isn't a great prospect, and those mid-round picks aren't going to result in any stud players. Ariza is overrated and he doesn't even want to be here. I'd still much rather look at other options where we can at least get one upper-tier prospect, like say Beasley or Harden for example. Even Bynum would be a better option.

Pretty weak, I agree. Battier instead of Ariza would be much better.

But in terms of flexibility, it's a great package.

[djsunyc]

ariza turned us down for less money so i don't see him being happy about playing in toronto.

i think colangelo and bosh's agent have had plenty "off the record" coversations already. we can get a good idea of how things play out around draft time if we make a move or not.

[douggood]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

That's a pretty weaksauce package IMO. I keep thinking we can do better. The only real asset in that trade is the Jeffries expiring which doesn't really do much good for a rebuilding team. Hill isn't a great prospect, and those mid-round picks aren't going to result in any stud players. Ariza is overrated and he doesn't even want to be here. I'd still much rather look at other options where we can at least get one upper-tier prospect, like say Beasley or Harden for example.

with those teams you dont have as much leverage. those teams have cap room, and if you push them too hard they can turn to a carlos boozer and sign him, use the cap space to trade for a big man.

the rockets 14th pick, raptors 13th pick ariza and any future picks puts the raptors on a quick rebuild route.

and then we can trade jefferies, evans, banks and do a trade like houston did for kevin martin. imo the best option for a quick rebuild is the houston option.

[dagger]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

That's a pretty weaksauce package IMO. I keep thinking we can do better. The only real asset in that trade is the Jeffries expiring which doesn't really do much good for a rebuilding team. Hill isn't a great prospect, and those mid-round picks aren't going to result in any stud players. Ariza is overrated and he doesn't even want to be here. I'd still much rather look at other options where we can at least get one upper-tier prospect, like say Beasley or Harden for example. Even Bynum would be a better option.

You have no idea where NYK's picks are going to end up, and when you combine Jeffries expiring with our own, that's almost $20 million in expirings. I agree on Ariza - I'd give him a pass, but I think this package is way better than Miami's likely offer. I don't think they want to put Beasley into a sign and trade. I think they want to deal him for a point guard, otherwise Miami might end up only a little ahead of where they are now with two stars instead of one, still surrounded with a bunch of Titos. Remember, Wade's age is a factor. They can't take 3-4 years to build a contender around him because he'll be on the downside by then. They need to hit a home run within two years.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Remember if we can deal with Houston, and get slightly less, or a slightly better deal with a team combining CB with Noah and Rose, James, or Wade in the East, we're still ahead by not facilitating another stacked Roster in the East.

[Reignman]

I have this sneaking suspicion that we'll get something along the lines of Kmart, a pick and filler.

[dagger]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

That's a pretty weaksauce package IMO. I keep thinking we can do better. The only real asset in that trade is the Jeffries expiring which doesn't really do much good for a rebuilding team. Hill isn't a great prospect, and those mid-round picks aren't going to result in any stud players. Ariza is overrated and he doesn't even want to be here. I'd still much rather look at other options where we can at least get one upper-tier prospect, like say Beasley or Harden for example.

with those teams you dont have as much leverage. those teams have cap room, and if you push them too hard they can turn to a carlos boozer and sign him, use the cap space to trade for a big man.

the rockets 14th pick, raptors 13th pick ariza and any future picks puts the raptors on a quick rebuild route.

It's also worth noting with a Houston package that if we suck next year, our own pick is going to be high and we'd have extra picks that we could use as bait to move up further in the draft. For example, if we got the 2011 swap pick and the Knicks finish 8th in the East, that would be the 15th pick. If our pick was #8, maybe we offer 9+15 to get into the top 5.

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I have this sneaking suspicion that we'll get something along the lines of Kmart, a pick and filler.

They are not trading Kevin Martin.

There is not going to be a high value player in this package. Lower value players, multiple picks. Chuck Hayes would be the kind of piece Houston could spare that would be a bit useful to us at least asa bench player.

[Dangles]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

That's a pretty weaksauce package IMO. I keep thinking we can do better. The only real asset in that trade is the Jeffries expiring which doesn't really do much good for a rebuilding team. Hill isn't a great prospect, and those mid-round picks aren't going to result in any stud players. Ariza is overrated and he doesn't even want to be here. I'd still much rather look at other options where we can at least get one upper-tier prospect, like say Beasley or Harden for example. Even Bynum would be a better option.

Trevor Ariza and picks can be VERY valuable! Ariza plays defense and can score he would be a HUGE addition to this team.

[boogydown]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

[Brinbe]

It's also worth noting with a Houston package that if we suck next year, our own pick is going to be high and we'd have extra picks that we could use as bait to move up further in the draft. For example, if we got the 2011 swap pick and the Knicks finish 8th in the East, that would be the 15th pick. If our pick was #8, maybe we offer 9+15 to get into the top 5.

Exactly what I was typing up as well, I hope we package our picks and try for a higher-potential player. We had a chance with CP and didn't do it, hope we don't make that mistake again. Surely adding a Favors/Cousins would be a nice takeaway from losing Bosh.

[pspot]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

[Raps in 4]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

They won't need to retain Yao as he'll be retired.

[Rhettmatic]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

I realize we're going to get pennies on the dollar for Bosh, but I still don't like that package. I don't want Ariza and I don't like Hill. The deal only looks OK if New York completely strikes out in free agency and sucks for another couple years.

I'm sure I'll come to realize this is wishful thinking, but I'd like to get one blue-chip prospect/young player for Bosh. I don't need 40 assets, just one with some actual value, personally.