SoTD: Bargnani still decent at Post-up Defence

[LLJ]

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And as for Bosh, I am not sure who he is facing too, I am assuming he is not playing against opposing C, so he can be more very effective with his match up.

Excellent point. He always ended up guarding the opposition's beefiest players and inevitably got backed in and scored on. In Miami he's probably facing players more appropriate for his size.

A note on Team USA--Bosh did very well against the finesse bigs (which were the majority in the comp) but struggled to contain the bigger ones, like Marc Gasol.

[cookieman]

Does this 1 on 1 post defense not include outcomes like LeBron coming from the weakside and swatting the guy, or guards digging in and getting steals? Or are missed shots and turnovers that are not the primary defender's doing calculated in the PPS? Thanks

[henrydunn13]

Hey Sub, any chance you have more of those numbers? I'd like to use these stats to pull out potential Center targets for the Raptors (Gortat comes to mind)

[darth_federer]

I'm working on PF ranking post right now. With everyone talking about what a failure Bosh has supposedly been in Miami, how do we reconcile his outstanding post defence numbers here? Is he actually a good defender, after all?

Hes above average for sure. Dont know why guys hated on him so much. He was never a defensive stopper but he more than held his own on most nights. I guess guys wanted a great two player if they were going to hand out the max.

Does anyone have his number for last year? Also SS, how many bigs are we talking about. 67 seems like a middle of the pack ranking.

[MEDIC]

Hey Sub, any chance you have more of those numbers? I'd like to use these stats to pull out potential Center targets for the Raptors (Gortat comes to mind)

I think we found him:

[Indeed]

Does this 1 on 1 post defense not include outcomes like LeBron coming from the weakside and swatting the guy, or guards digging in and getting steals? Or are missed shots and turnovers that are not the primary defender's doing calculated in the PPS? Thanks

I think even they included, mentally players might not go for something that's not working.
When you have prime Duncan in the paint, players might have second thought about attacking it. So I am not surprised teams go for more effective plays after getting double team or getting steals from some plays.

[Spicy P]

How is Rupaul so high and Noah so low?

[Indeed]

I'm working on PF ranking post right now. With everyone talking about what a failure Bosh has supposedly been in Miami, how do we reconcile his outstanding post defence numbers here? Is he actually a good defender, after all?

Hes above average for sure. Dont know why guys hated on him so much. He was never a defensive stopper but he more than held his own on most nights. I guess guys wanted a great two player if they were going to hand out the max.

Does anyone have his number for last year? Also SS, how many bigs are we talking about. 67 seems like a middle of the pack ranking.

Yea, Bosh is definitely a better perimeter defender. His length and footwork is great amount PF/C.
As long as they have a C who can defend post players and defend the paint, they would be a much better team (except team chemistry).

[RocLaFamilia]

I always thought Bosh was capable of being a very good defender (as shown early in his career & his time with the olympic team). He just didn't do it here after his first 2 years.

Problem with the Raps is that he always wanted to stay away from foul trouble. On Miami, he doesn't have to worry about fouling out. It is more important to play tougher defense.

Plus, Miami is one of the better defensive teams in the league. He has Big Z, Haslem, the Canucks, Damp & Lebron to back him up in the post.

DING DING DING, we got a winner.

Stats are good indicators alone, but without context (which is what MEDIC just provided) they can lead people to think that player X is better/worse then they actually are.

[TLJ]

Correct.

does that mean, according to synergy that noah isn't as good a defender as most people think?

His overall PPP is 0.98 on 138 plays, i.e. he makes up for his bad post-up defence by doing other things + not all plays are tracked (some are given to "team"). Plus, there's time to rectify those numbers.

Bargs, overall, is at 0.99

So in terms of overall defence according to this site you use, Bargnani only allows 0.1 points per 100 possessions more than Noah? Is Noah that bad or is Bargs improving? What were his numbers last year?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Noah is an overrated defender. I've said it for the past few years, and it looks like the stats again confirm it. From what I remember Gibson's post defense stats last year were among the best.

I think Amir's stats are much improved from last year.

[Lionel Messi]

ITT: Confused posters.

[crosswalkryan]

You guys are a little nuts when it comes to trades.

a) we can't get iggy with just an expiring, there are many teams offering this or TPE and 76ers are shopping around
b) cleveland has the 3rd lowest payroll in the NBA, with Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams being the bad contracts. everything else is 4.5m or less and expiring in the next 1-3 yrs.

I think it would take something like Derozan + filler + OUR first rounder for Varajao, and Peja + Weems + multiple 1sts for Iggy.

[Weems]

I remember Bargs had better post-up def numbers than Bosh last season according to synergy. But Bosh was the worst post defender I've ever seen, so that's hardly impressive.

Interesting to see Bosh up there now. Amusing considering how bad he was last season.

[Lionel Messi]

I remember Bargs had better post-up def numbers than Bosh last season according to synergy. But Bosh was the worst post defender I've ever seen, so that's hardly impressive.

Interesting to see Bosh up there now. Amusing considering how bad he was last season.

He had solid numbers according to SynergySports last year too IIRC.

[Weems]

I remember Bargs had better post-up def numbers than Bosh last season according to synergy. But Bosh was the worst post defender I've ever seen, so that's hardly impressive.

Interesting to see Bosh up there now. Amusing considering how bad he was last season.

He had solid numbers according to SynergySports last year too IIRC.

Overall he was better than Bargnani (this also doesn't account for help defence obv). Especially as an iso defender. Bargnani was better as a post defender iirc.

[timdunkit]

Hey SS how do they pick which plays are considered as iso's? does it also include if double teams or help is given?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Bosh

Is it really a surprise to anyone? He's a new player in a new city looking to make an impression. He was a good defensive player for Team USA. On the Raps, he gave up putting the effort needed after his 2nd or 3rd year in the league so he could conserve energy for his offense. Basically, Bosh is motivated to play defense. WE always knew he had the ability to play defense.

Noah

His value isnt as a 1:1 stopper, his value was always as a help defender.

[J-Roc]

How does Bosh's numbers last year compare to this year?? This does not add up for me.

[kingr]

Shocked at bosh's numbers. I haven't seen too many heat games, but from I remember watching for the past 7 years, bosh wasn't some dominant post defender.