Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[kingz32]

If Raptors get Pick 3-5
-Draft Lamb

-Trade Bayless\Davis\Future Pick for Jennings

Jennings\Calderon
DeRozan\Barbosa
Lamb\J.Johnson
Bargnani\A.Johnson
Val\Gray

I dont understand why so many of you on this board think that Milwaukee would ever accept Bayless and Ed Davis in exchange for Jennings Even if you throw a first round draft pick in there it doesnt change anything.....Jennings is the face of the franchise and a very talented (natural talent) and dynamic scoring point guard who has a great mix of an inside-out game. If you were a GM, would you take on two players who have shown nothing in this league in Bayless and Davis? They are bench players. You dont win with those guys as starters. Everyone should know that, any reasonable GM would not make a deal to get rid of Jennings in which Ed Davis is the focal point of the exchange. Milwaukee will want draft picks, a player like DeRozan, and Bayless, and a big man to fill the paint (Aaron Gray)....you might say that this is too much but i assure you that Brandon Jennings has a way higher ceiling than Davis and Bayless combined.

[Rapsfan07]

Can't vote..there's just too many good guys in this draft. Barnes seems to have played a good game tonight but the opposing team was also on the smaller side and were scrubs for the most part. I'd like to see how he does in the tournament against stronger competition.

Beal's a baller. I think he'll be a star

Wouldn't be mad at Lamb or Miller (if he declares and can play the 3)

Would be kinda disappointed with MKG but he's not a bad player.

[Rapsfan07]

If Raptors get Pick 3-5
-Draft Lamb

-Trade Bayless\Davis\Future Pick for Jennings

Jennings\Calderon
DeRozan\Barbosa
Lamb\J.Johnson
Bargnani\A.Johnson
Val\Gray

I dont understand why so many of you on this board think that Milwaukee would ever accept Bayless and Ed Davis in exchange for Jennings Even if you throw a first round draft pick in there it doesnt change anything.....Jennings is the face of the franchise and a very talented (natural talent) and dynamic scoring point guard who has a great mix of an inside-out game. If you were a GM, would you take on two players who have shown nothing in this league in Bayless and Davis? They are bench players. You dont win with those guys as starters. Everyone should know that, any reasonable GM would not make a deal to get rid of Jennings in which Ed Davis is the focal point of the exchange. Milwaukee will want draft picks, a player like DeRozan, and Bayless, and a big man to fill the paint (Aaron Gray)....you might say that this is too much but i assure you that Brandon Jennings has a way higher ceiling than Davis and Bayless combined.

After a Barbosa/Calderon deal where we net the 2 LAL 1st I'd deal

Ed + Bayless + TOR 1st + LAL 1st for Jennings + MIL 1st. It depends how the cookie crumbles in everything regarding the draft but that's about it. Anything more is overpaying and I'd just wait until he's a FA

[7-Day Dray]

If Raptors get Pick 3-5
-Draft Lamb

-Trade Bayless\Davis\Future Pick for Jennings

Jennings\Calderon
DeRozan\Barbosa
Lamb\J.Johnsony.
Bargnani\A.Johnson
Val\Gray

I dont understand why so many of you on this board think that Milwaukee would ever accept Bayless and Ed Davis in exchange for Jennings Even if you throw a first round draft pick in there it doesnt change anything.....Jennings is the face of the franchise and a very talented (natural talent) and dynamic scoring point guard who has a great mix of an inside-out game. If you were a GM, would you take on two players who have shown nothing in this league in Bayless and Davis? They are bench players. You dont win with those guys as starters. Everyone should know that, any reasonable GM would not make a deal to get rid of Jennings in which Ed Davis is the focal point of the exchange. Milwaukee will want draft picks, a player like DeRozan, and Bayless, and a big man to fill the paint (Aaron Gray)....you might say that this is too much but i assure you that Brandon Jennings has a way higher ceiling than Davis and Bayless combined.

Brandon Jennings has been playing awful lately. A lot of of fans on the Bucks forum are willing to trade him. I'm not sure they would want this specific package though.

[baulderdash77]

I would take Barnes over Davis.

I see Marcus Camby with Davis as his best case scenario and we need a go to scorer. In fact, I'm not sure that Davis is going to be better than Val going forward and there's a very good chance he's not going to be as good. So I wouldn't pick him as a redundant piece when there's perfectly good options at other positions. It doesn't make sense at all to take Davis as a 1st overall pick.

I think Barnes is going to be an all-star quality SF and he can be our 1st option when we're a playoff team.

We will have a better team foundation with a lineup of Demar/Barnes/Bargnani/Val than Demar/?/Bargnani/Davis with Val coming off the bench maybe.

[RomaniaLuvTR]

barnes all the way

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

It's Harrison Barnes for me. Beal if we end up with a pick in the 5-7 range. Otherwise, Barnes.

Tough to narrow things down in this draft, but Davis, Barnes, and Beal are the prospects I like the most overall.

[baulderdash77]

In fact there's a very good chance that Anthony Davis turns out exactly like Tyrus Thomas. They have very similar games in college. Thomas was a better athlete and they had similar length. This board was crawling over itself to get Tyrus Thomas if you remember. The level of man-crush on the board was out of control.

I see Anthony Davis with an upside of Marcus Camby and a downside of Tyrus Thomas. If you look at him objectively you'll agree.

Marcus Camby has had a very good NBA career and was similar in college to Anthony Davis. Remember he won the Wooden Award as the best player in college basketball.

They have similar length & size at the same age.

Camby's career has given him 4 All NBA defensive teams, 4x block leader, Defensive Player of the Year. He's averaged a double double for his entire career. This is Davis' upside, but not more than that.

[baulderdash77]

Another thing with the Camby comparison. Camby was drafted by the Raps 2nd overall in the 96 draft. He was the consensus best big man in the draft and history proved he probably was. We were all pretty ecstatic when he was drafted.

Here's the guys that he was drafted ahead of that I would rather have had now in hindsight:
-Kobe
-Ray Allen
-Nash
-Jermaine O'Neil
-Peja

There were 9 guys drafted after Camby who were all-stars and Camby never made the all-star team. But bigs are always overvalued.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I see the Camby comparison, but the Thomas one doesn't work for me. AD just doesn't seem as lazy as TT, or as dependent on his athleticism. I have a feeling he'll work on his game more than TT has, but Camby is one I've used before. I think his ceiling is Prime Kevin Garnett with his floor being current Marcus Camby.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

In fact there's a very good chance that Anthony Davis turns out exactly like Tyrus Thomas. They have very similar games in college. Thomas was a better athlete and they had similar length. This board was crawling over itself to get Tyrus Thomas if you remember. The level of man-crush on the board was out of control.

I see Anthony Davis with an upside of Marcus Camby and a downside of Tyrus Thomas. If you look at him objectively you'll agree.

Marcus Camby has had a very good NBA career and was similar in college to Anthony Davis. Remember he won the Wooden Award as the best player in college basketball.

They have similar length & size at the same age.

Camby's career has given him 4 All NBA defensive teams, 4x block leader, Defensive Player of the Year. He's averaged a double double for his entire career. This is Davis' upside, but not more than that.

For what it's worth it, maybe take it with a grain of salt, but Greg Anthony and Jalen Rose made that exact comparison to Marcus Camby.

[Los Manos]

In fact there's a very good chance that Anthony Davis turns out exactly like Tyrus Thomas. They have very similar games in college. Thomas was a better athlete and they had similar length. This board was crawling over itself to get Tyrus Thomas if you remember. The level of man-crush on the board was out of control.

I see Anthony Davis with an upside of Marcus Camby and a downside of Tyrus Thomas. If you look at him objectively you'll agree.

Marcus Camby has had a very good NBA career and was similar in college to Anthony Davis. Remember he won the Wooden Award as the best player in college basketball.

They have similar length & size at the same age.

Camby's career has given him 4 All NBA defensive teams, 4x block leader, Defensive Player of the Year. He's averaged a double double for his entire career. This is Davis' upside, but not more than that.

They're similar but I think it's a slightly lazy comparison to make and to then assume their ceilings are equal. Davis is a better player at 19 than Camby was.

Look at Camby's freshman numbers at UMass:

10.2 points - 6.4 rebounds - 3.6 blocks

Now look at Anthony Davis as a freshman so far:

14.0 points - 9.9 rebounds - 4.9 blocks

Camby never came close to averaging higher rebounds or blocks than Davis is right now even after 3 years of college. Yes his points average went up to 20 by his junior year but I think it's short-sighted to not see that AD has the potential to develop a very solid offensive game. Like a few others here I think he's going to surprise in the NBA as he starts developing some post moves and improving his jumper.

[lilneige]

I would take Barnes over Davis.

I see Marcus Camby with Davis as his best case scenario and we need a go to scorer. In fact, I'm not sure that Davis is going to be better than Val going forward and there's a very good chance he's not going to be as good. So I wouldn't pick him as a redundant piece when there's perfectly good options at other positions. It doesn't make sense at all to take Davis as a 1st overall pick.

I see exactly the same. Davis may just become like what we see from Camby in his prime. However, Those type of big usually went very high on the draft day. Camby himself was 2nd overall, ahead of Ray Allen, Kobe, Nash. Davis is playing for the #1 team right now, should get a lot of attention, he is going to be the #1 pick overall base on those status. I am hopping from not winning the lottery but getting the top 3 pick.

I am voting for Barnes, although I really like MKG too. This is just based on the needs of the Raptors. James Johnson is kinda similar with MKG, and we are lacking a perimeter scorer. Barnes fits the bill really well.

I don't mind getting other SF-SG if our draft position can't net Barnes.

[Indeed]

I think it is clear what we are going to take with our 1st round pick, so I am looking in the 2nd round pick, and hope we get more size from our big. I am hoping someone like Joshua Smith (UCLA) would be available, and hope to turn out to be Perkin type of defender.

[Homer Jay]

Look, everyone knows that if Toronto gets the #1, then A. Davis is the guy. No question.

I'm voting based on where I think Toronto will end up, which is why I went with MKG. I still don't get the Lamb love... I just don't see it.

What don't you like about him specifically, Marvin?

He is playing with some guys who look like they have given up on UConn because of the impending sanctions.

I like his 7'1" wingspan (pretty unmatched from a guard), coupled with an ability to stick jumpers right off a screen and roll, and a decent handle to boot.

I still would put him below Barnes, and about equal with Beal. I like MKG, but wonder if he is enough different from JJ to warrant starting both together.

[Undefeated]

There's absolutely no comparison between Anthony Davis and Marcus Camby. He has already shown some semblance of a face up game with the ability to put the ball on the floor for the odd pull up jumper due to his sweet shooting mechanics for a big and ball-handling when he played PG prior to his growth spurt. Camby's shooting mechanics is nothing compared to Davis, let alone the ball-handling. I assure you that Anthony Davis is going to show a lot more offensively once he enters the league.

[Homer Jay]

I think it is clear what we are going to take with our 1st round pick, so I am looking in the 2nd round pick, and hope we get more size from our big. I am hoping someone like Joshua Smith (UCLA) would be available, and hope to turn out to be Perkin type of defender.

I think this year we should grab a junior or senior that can come in and contribute right away. Definitely a scoring ability to boot. Draymond Green, DJO, Robbie Hummel, those types of guys who can proven they can score. No more Alabi types that are all prospects.

[baulderdash77]

There's absolutely no comparison between Anthony Davis and Marcus Camby. He has already shown some semblance of a face up game with the ability to put the ball on the floor for the odd pull up jumper due to his sweet shooting mechanics for a big and ball-handling when he played PG prior to his growth spurt. Camby's shooting mechanics is nothing compared to Davis, let alone the ball-handling. I assure you that Anthony Davis is going to show a lot more offensively once he enters the league.

You mean how he's shooting 27% on the season on anything other than alley-oops, offensive rebounds or dunks?

Don't be so indignant. Anthony Davis has shown no consistent or reliable offensive game outside of those types of plays. To pretend he has those skills is deceiving yourself.

He has the same offensive game that Tyrus Thomas had at this stage, and I'd venture to say he's less springy and athletic than Thomas was. Marcus Camby is truly a compliment to what Anthony Davis could be because he could also be a complete bust for all we know. The NBA landscape is full of tall guys who never lived up to their potential.

[baulderdash77]

A guy who is going to be a center in the NBA, but only scores on 25% of his post-ups is not just going to become a post up machine or scoring star. He's going to struggle mightily against NBA players who are going to be bigger and stronger than him so that he won't just be able to get deep position and dunk on them.

With his lack of offensive skills, he's going to have a hard time getting 10 points a game in the NBA without serious development.

Camby has had 11 10+ RPG season, he's been one of the elite defender(DPOY, All NBA) and shot blockers (4 block titles) in his era. Seriously if Anthony Davis becomes that he's living up to his potential.

[Los Manos]

A guy who is going to be a center in the NBA, but only scores on 25% of his post-ups is not just going to become a post up machine or scoring star. He's going to struggle mightily against NBA players who are going to be bigger and stronger than him so that he won't just be able to get deep position and dunk on them.

With his lack of offensive skills, he's going to have a hard time getting 10 points a game in the NBA without serious development.

Camby has had 11 10+ RPG season, he's been one of the elite defender(DPOY, All NBA) and shot blockers (4 block titles) in his era. Seriously if Anthony Davis becomes that he's living up to his potential.

I respect your opinion but I think it's nonsense.

Davis will get 10 points a game just from his great footwork and positioning on the floor. His high motor and basktball IQ will get him double digits alone. I'm not saying he'll average much more than that through his first few seasons in the NBA but he has the tools to develop significantly offensively .

And since when did he project as a Center? He's a PF all day.

Oh and Davis is a much better shot blocker AND rebounder at 19 than Camby was as a Junior at UMass.