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Re: Ross in the doghouse after winning the dunk contest? 

Post#21 » by Hero » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:08 am

C_Money wrote:Ross hasn't been playing very good you guys. He deserves to be in the doghouse.

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Post#22 » by Marvin Martian » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:31 am

C_Money wrote:Ross hasn't been playing very good you guys. He deserves to be in the doghouse.


But Anderson does not? He has been just as inefficient. Where is the upside to playing Anderson? At least with Ross you can showcase him at the end of the season and put him in a trade package for a true stretch 4. (Ryan Anderson? Ersan?)
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Post#23 » by Dan2087 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:32 am

His minutes have been all over the place this year with no defined role or anything, who is 21 years old. He improved quite a bit in college and has the tools to be a pretty decent player. Im definitely not going to write him off before his first season is even done, that's just ridiculous. His shooting consistency will come with time - certainly more than half a season. I think he can be like JJ Redick, just more athletic and better at attacking the basket and rebounding with time.
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Post#24 » by bonjovi0308 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:37 am

Keon Clark once said something like in the NBA, the other guy is always as good as you do, and difference is opportunity. Look at Earl Clarke, turned from journeyman into starter at lakers. Did he develop skill overnite? I doubt it
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Post#25 » by Spicy P » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:40 am

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C_Money wrote:Ross hasn't been playing very good you guys. He deserves to be in the doghouse.


But Anderson does not? He has been just as inefficient. Where is the upside to playing Anderson? At least with Ross you can showcase him at the end of the season and put him in a trade package for a true stretch 4. (Ryan Anderson? Ersan?)


Anderson can at least play defense. Ross can't do anything but chuck up bad shots and constantly let his man blow by him.
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Post#26 » by Spicy P » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:42 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:Keon Clark once said something like in the NBA, the other guy is always as good as you do, and difference is opportunity. Look at Earl Clarke, turned from journeyman into starter at lakers. Did he develop skill overnite? I doubt it


Earl Clarke developed a 3-point shot he never had and got an opportunity because of that. Ross hasn't shown anything but flashy dunks so far.
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Post#27 » by JunkYardSubs » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:45 am

I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****
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Post#28 » by Mikestro » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:47 am

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Mikestro wrote:Ross sucks, I don't get why people have a hard on for him. He's a good dunker but he really needs to work on everything else. And you can't just give him minutes, he still has to earn them by practicing hard, working hard, showing you care... If you just hand undeserving rookies more minutes that's when they feel entitled to everything.

So how do you justify playing Anderson then smart guy?


Anderson isn't as much of a liability on defense. There's more to basketball than just scoring buckets, in case you haven't noticed.
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Post#29 » by ballislife » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:49 am

Mikestro wrote:Ross sucks, I don't get why people have a hard on for him. He's a good dunker but he really needs to work on everything else. And you can't just give him minutes, he still has to earn them by practicing hard, working hard, showing you care... If you just hand undeserving rookies more minutes that's when they feel entitled to everything.


I agree. But if nothings going, he deserves a few spare minutes to prove himself. If he's not playing well, take him out.
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Post#30 » by Spicy P » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:49 am

JunkYardSubs wrote:I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****


Waiters and Beal are 10X more skilled than Ross.

Anderson and Bargnani earned their minutes by being the best options at their positions by default. Bargnani is awful, but he's better than Gray or Acy. Anderson sucks too, but he's better than Ross or Pietrus. The minutes are there for the taking, but Ross chooses to be awful.
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Post#31 » by JunkYardSubs » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:50 am

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JunkYardSubs wrote:I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****


They earned their minutes by being the best options at their positions by default. Bargnani is awful, but he's better than Gray or Acy. Anderson sucks too, but he's better than Ross or Pietrus. The minutes are there for the taking, but Ross chooses to be awful.


This kind of short term thinking is one of the key components of this awful franchise
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Post#32 » by Mikestro » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:55 am

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Mikestro wrote:Ross sucks, I don't get why people have a hard on for him. He's a good dunker but he really needs to work on everything else. And you can't just give him minutes, he still has to earn them by practicing hard, working hard, showing you care... If you just hand undeserving rookies more minutes that's when they feel entitled to everything.


I agree. But if nothings going, he deserves a few spare minutes to prove himself. If he's not playing well, take him out.


The predicament here is do you sacrifice your chances of winning a game at the expense of developing rookies/less-experienced players? Right now the mandate of the team is to win each and every game as if it's their last with the hopes of making the playoffs. No if's, and's, or but's. Right now it seems that the coaching staff doesn't believe that giving Ross more minutes will increase our chances of winning the game. And rightfully so. He hasn't yet shown enough to us that he can bring it both on offense AND defense consistently to help us win games.

Terrence needs to take this as a challenge to improve himself even more. Whether it's hitting the gym, extended practice time, consulting with coaches more, etc. But he needs to take this upon himself to do. Now I'm not saying he hasn't already done some of these things but IF this is the case then in the long term it's a better idea for him to work for his minutes.
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Post#33 » by Pooh_Jeter » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:52 am

Ross' defense has fallen off, but you're blind if you didn't notice how well he was playing defensively in the first half of the season. When he was getting consistent playing time his level of play was continually getting better. He had a couple of bad games then was relegated to the back of the bench. Anderson has been given every opportunity to play through his cold streaks, yet Ross remains stapled to the bench. A veteran would have a tough time making an impact with the leash Casey has afforded Ross, let alone a rookie.
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Post#34 » by CB4Champ » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:02 am

How That Brother Ross has been treated is one of the reasons why I could care less with wins.

Casey and his "tough" love to the rooks and allowing an scrub like AA to play jacking calling green light on every drive makes me sick. AA is an person that was not even sniffing NBA until TO came callin and now he is upchucking at will with no discipline.

Casey I have no clue what he thinks, Does he really think his Hard stance on Rookies will make them Better? Look at T MAc, He was not playing until an coach like Butch came and he quickly showed his skillz. The coach who gave Mac tough love even thought that Tracy would not last in the League. How wrong was that?? Same with Casey, another crappy coach who thinks to highly of his NBA IQ and sees little in Ross.

Ross and Val deserve better. Pound dat rock, rock that Pound makes no sense to me Too.
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Post#35 » by Syugo » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:10 am

CB4Champ wrote:How That Brother Ross has been treated is one of the reasons why I could care less with wins.

Casey and his "tough" love to the rooks and allowing an scrub like AA to play jacking calling green light on every drive makes me sick. AA is an person that was not even sniffing NBA until TO came callin and now he is upchucking at will with no discipline.

Casey I have no clue what he thinks, Does he really think his Hard stance on Rookies will make them Better? Look at T MAc, He was not playing until an coach like Butch came and he quickly showed his skillz. The coach who gave Mac tough love even thought that Tracy would not last in the League. How wrong was that?? Same with Casey, another crappy coach who thinks to highly of his NBA IQ and sees little in Ross.

Ross and Val deserve better. Pound dat rock, rock that Pound makes no sense to me Too.


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Post#36 » by Phenomenologist » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:13 am

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C_Money wrote:Ross hasn't been playing very good you guys. He deserves to be in the doghouse.


Someone posted his stats and % compared to AA in another thread, Ross is still superior. No reason why AA should be getting more minutes than him.


In what (statistical) way is Ross superior to AA? Now, given that the playoffs are clearly out of reach, getting run for our young lottery pick seems preferable to letting AA chuck away in search of a new contract. That said, AA is pretty clearly the superior player at this point.
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Post#37 » by Pass it » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:20 am

SalamiNCheez wrote:
JunkYardSubs wrote:I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****


Waiters and Beal are 10X more skilled than Ross.

Anderson and Bargnani earned their minutes by being the best options at their positions by default. Bargnani is awful, but he's better than Gray or Acy. Anderson sucks too, but he's better than Ross or Pietrus. The minutes are there for the taking, but Ross chooses to be awful.


Lol your a blind hater. What does Waiter's have over Ross.
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Post#38 » by Chaos Engine » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:34 am

Pass it wrote:
SalamiNCheez wrote:
JunkYardSubs wrote:I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****


Waiters and Beal are 10X more skilled than Ross.

Anderson and Bargnani earned their minutes by being the best options at their positions by default. Bargnani is awful, but he's better than Gray or Acy. Anderson sucks too, but he's better than Ross or Pietrus. The minutes are there for the taking, but Ross chooses to be awful.


Lol your a blind hater. What does Waiter's have over Ross.
Defense- no
Shooting- no
Being a pudgy midget- yes


WTF? Come on now, Waiters is a much, MUCH better basketball player than Ross. Ross is a better leaper and a better dunk contest guy, but Waiters can actually attack the rim, has been shooting better as the season goes along, can play both guard positions and handle the rock.

Who in their right mind thinks Ross is better than Waiters? :lol:
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Post#39 » by Spicy P » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:11 am

Pass it wrote:
SalamiNCheez wrote:
JunkYardSubs wrote:I mean other teams have played rookies through struggles and they are all the better for it (Waiters, Beal looked likd certified busts), but yeah let's continue on with this misguided idea about "earning minutes". Especially since AA and Bargs haven't earned ****


Waiters and Beal are 10X more skilled than Ross.

Anderson and Bargnani earned their minutes by being the best options at their positions by default. Bargnani is awful, but he's better than Gray or Acy. Anderson sucks too, but he's better than Ross or Pietrus. The minutes are there for the taking, but Ross chooses to be awful.


Lol your a blind hater. What does Waiter's have over Ross.
Defense- no
Shooting- no
Being a pudgy midget- yes


The only one blind is you if you actually think Ross is a good shooter and defender
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Post#40 » by KnickerBonkerz » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 pm

The fact is we're not making the playoffs so the rookie deserves a look, especially after these last 2 losses. Alan Anderson is not helping us win and he is not the future of this team.
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