DEN/TOR Discussing Deal? (Stated by Poster on Trade Board)

[omar36]

What about kantEr? He's a 20/10 guy with mins and I think he could be had for Terrence. How would JV and kanter look together?

Kanter has good form.on his jumper and has the range. He's even hitting threes now. I think it works offensively,but I'd be concerned about the defenSe a bit.

Either way he's very talented and solves our backup centre issue, efficient low post scoring and rebounding problems.

Kanter would be a MASSIVE nightmare on D playing at the 4 beside JV.

It would be hilarious too watch.

Get er done masai

[Mack11]

Masai is known to accommodate his players when he trades them so this makes a lot of sense that hes sending Ross to colarado to get his kush on.

[Tofubeque]

I know this board hates Ross, but he has the highest potential of the players in that deal. I don't think Masai gets rid of an asset like that, this season.

Masai's stated repeatedly any moves he makes will stay future-oriented, and looking at his track record I'm not sure priority #1 is 2016 capspace. I guess it could be, but developing young bench players is usually his style.

[Volcano]

Hickon's apparently atrocious defensively..so he's just an offensive player + rebounder that adds a little depth in the FC. Big key for Hickson is if we can get him to stick with the system + rotations and play a PP-type of defense.

I wouldn't mind giving up on Ross..I see his upside as a defensive SG version of Gerald Green, but it's questionable at this point whether he can ever reach Wilson Chandler level. Rather not wait around hoping he'll develop into something more when we can just go fishing for the next PJ Tucker/Gerald Green/Hassan Whiteside or sign an established role player straight up.

I'm in the minority, but I'm not willing to give up on Ross yet. He is what he is, a role player. Can go off some nights. Can be invisible other nights. But we need role players to fill out the roster, and I feel he can be more useful than Chandler.

Ross = role player

Chandler = role player (fits our lineup as he's a true 3 and spaces + defends)

Don't see the downside or downgrade.

I don't like the idea of messing with chemistry mid season. If we absolutely need to trade him, do it in the offseason, and at least aim for picks. I'd take a 20's pick over overpaying for a role player who does what Tross does, slightly more efficiently.

I haven't really been watching WC lately, but we should be getting better size, overall defense, rebounding, offense feel with some streaky 3 point shooting..and WC is only 4 years older. It looks like we're keeping DD for a while and both DD/Ross are at a disadvantage at SF.

WC would also give us more size whenever Casey wants to go small ball. WC/JJ at the 3 and 4 would be interesting.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Hickson at centre is a defensive liability so while his rebounding may be nice, he doesn't move the needle for me at all.

I like Chandler and he fits with the starting lineup, but realistically how much is he going to improve the team? I'd probably hold onto Ross and look for a deal in the summer rather than settle for Chandler.

It doesn't seem like they are actively shopping Faried right now, but he is the guy I'd be going hard at. With the extension and Denver being a tire fire right now he is a devalued asset. He still has strides to make defensively and obviously isn't Al Jefferson down low, but I think he still had a lot of upside for what he is. I think it was last season where he had shown some progress with his post game so it isn't as though he is Reggie Evans or something.

I think the World Cup and the playoffs under George Karl showed how valuable he could be in the right situation. With the cap rising I don't think that contract is going to be as bad as it may look right now.

[Volcano]

Hickson at centre is a defensive liability so while his rebounding may be nice, he doesn't move the needle for me at all.

I like Chandler and he fits with the starting lineup, but realistically how much is he going to improve the team? I'd probably hold onto Ross and look for a deal in the summer rather than settle for Chandler.

It doesn't seem like they are actively shopping Faried right now, but he is the guy I'd be going hard at. With the extension and Denver being a tire fire right now he is a devalued asset. He still has strides to make defensively and obviously isn't Al Jefferson down low, but I think he still had a lot of upside for what he is. I think it was last season where he had shown some progress with his post game so it isn't as though he is Reggie Evans or something.

I think the World Cup and the playoffs under George Karl showed how valuable he could be in the right situation. With the cap rising I don't think that contract is going to be as bad as it may look right now.

I'm not sure what we'd be able to net with Ross though. We'll be hard pressed to get any young player with good potential..unless it's a low end player like Tyler Ennis or something, who may turn out to be another nobody. Not to mention, our team is more in a win-now position than trading for projects.

Trading for any star will require the addition of picks or better players to go along with Ross, making Ross just a small piece of the puzzle. He'd never be the main package, so we may not need him to pull off such a trade in the first place.

It seems to me that a Wilson Chandler type player is his trade value. We can wait and see if he improves/develops, but if he doesn't, his value will decrease. The older he gets, the less likely teams will be trading for his "potential".

[Raps Militia]

Give to them a first round pick and we take Faried! We need him.

[Mister Ze]

Sort of selling low IMO. While this trade would instantly improve the Raps, I think the team could at least get a first round pick for Ross, which is better in the long run than 2 veterans expiring after a year.

[becausephilchow]

I wouldn't be completely opposed to it. Ross hasn't been playing well.

Would mean that WC and JJ get the minutes, and i'm pretty happy with that. If Chandler can hit the 3 at a better clip, and be a catch and shoot player, while defending well, I'd be down for that.

[Unknownone]

The point of the trade is to get Hickson. We need more low-post presence going into the playoffs.

Hickson>> Hans (that's why we do it)

Hickson is terrible - he's that awful that Portland quickly shed him and replaced him w/ Thomas Robinson, who's been underwhelming in his own right. Hickson has fancied himself in LeBron's class ever since leaving NC State and starting his career in Cleveland. Unlike James Johnson, he still perceives himself as a central option and not a complementary asset. If you loathe Hansbrough right now, you'll despise Hickson.

Out of curiosity, how many other teams do people on the board watch consistently? If you spend any significant amount of time on League Pass, you'll recognize Hickson is (for Denver) as big a liability as Hansbrough - he's also much shorter (closer to 6' 5"/6' 6") than what his publicly stated height is...

[Unknownone]

What about kantEr? He's a 20/10 guy with mins and I think he could be had for Terrence. How would JV and kanter look together?

Kanter has good form.on his jumper and has the range. He's even hitting threes now. I think it works offensively,but I'd be concerned about the defenSe a bit.

Either way he's very talented and solves our backup centre issue, efficient low post scoring and rebounding problems.

Kanter is a sieve defensively; Utah's best big lineup is Gobert and Favors - Kanter is mechanical and a black hole offensively. His numbers have improved somewhat only b/c he's now coming off the bench and not facing starter quality opposition.

[Matty]

Wilson Chandler is basically an older and bigger version of Ross who is not as efficient. Only upside is his rebounding which I don't think we really need given that JV with more regular minutes could solve that problem.

JJ Hickson would definitely be an upgrade over Hands though. I just don't see a reason why we should be adding Ross into this trade unless we're getting a star player.

[NashtyNas]

I was the one who suggested this was being discussed, however let me reiterate that I am not claiming to know anything other than TOR discussing internally (not even sure it has been offered to DEN) the idea of acquiring the Denver guys mentioned with Ross being the main piece. That is all. I do personally believe it makes a lot of sense which is why I have said do not be surprised to see something in the ball park occur by trade deadline. I have no actual insider information therefore I am not a source/informer/insider etc. I just wanted to discuss the possibility of this occurring and figure out how RGM felt about a potential deal involving such players.

To go along with Rapsobsessed, why I think it makes a lot of sense is quite obvious.

A) The two incoming players fit Toronto's needs extremely well.
B) Ross has been underwhelming this year and they don't want to be stuck holding on to him if he doesn't develop the way we have all hoped. This is what fair return for him looks like right now IMO.
C) Masai is familiar with not only the players but also the franchise he would be dealing with which has helped trades in the past
D) Hickson can be insurance incase Amir is priced out of the range Toronto is willing to offer.
E) Obviously makes them deeper and adds ammunition for the playoff race - this IMO is most important because based on how good CLE has looked and ATL for most of the season, TOR has to do something to make sure they can last in the PO and the FO certainly understands this.

From a Denver perspective, they obviously shave Hickson's $$ and add a young piece for Ross.
They've looked atrocious overall this season and have put too much $$ into F's.
DEN is clearly in sell mode moving Mozgov and as far as we know Shaw is gone at the end of the season, so likely everyone is available. This moves Hickson (clearing more PT for Faried who they put lot of $$ into), saves money and clears some cap room.

I do believe it's at least been seriously looked at by TOR and I personally think it'll happen. Obviously a lot depends on how DEN feels about it, so maybe we should try asking some people over on the DEN fans if they have any insight into their situation regarding these players. I know the response on the T&T board was good from a couple DEN fans, so I'm assuming it's something that makes sense for them in general.

[JVdaman]

Pardon my language but TRoss is as good as gone.

[Rushodian]

Poor Ross. I wonder if he's been told they're shopping him around? Well, I guess there's no real way to know if they actually are shopping him around. Anyway, I hope he can turn it around in Denver, or where ever he winds up. I agree with everyone that he just hasn't brought it this season. He had time to show everyone he belonged, and his stroke has looked pretty good again this season, but he just can't finish around the rim at all. He can't get to the rim or attack like DeMar or Lou can.

Maybe Denver can get him to live up to his potential. It's not happening here, and Toronto is too close to being really good to wait for it to happen.

[MastarCommandar]

Just 1 question. How do you square this:

I was the one who suggested this was being discussed, however let me reiterate that I am not claiming to know anything other than TOR discussing internally (not even sure it has been offered to DEN) the idea of acquiring the Denver guys mentioned with Ross being the main piece. That is all.

With this:

I do personally believe it makes a lot of sense which is why I have said do not be surprised to see something in the ball park occur by trade deadline. I have no actual insider information therefore I am not a source/informer/insider etc. I just wanted to discuss the possibility of this occurring and figure out how RGM felt about a potential deal involving such players.

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[hyper316]

would ppl want chandler or affalo if contract is equal

[Bertoo]

That would be a fantastic trade. Chandler and Hickson help fill two holes in the roster


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[team edward]

FARIED ?

Presumably Ross will give him his soul back when he gets to Denver. So it's a win for everyone.

I think this is a great idea for a trade. Swapping depth we don't need for depth we do.

[Martin1465]

Lock this up!