Anyone else not onboard with the direction of this team? #Treadmill

[sca]

A treadmill team is a team constantly stuck in neutral. They are not good enough to make an impact in the playoffs. But they never suck enough to get a top pick.

We aren't in that situation. We are coming up off an ECF appearance. We have 2 all-stars and good players. We have young controllable assets and all of our first round picks.

At some point you need to try to take a few gambles to bolster your team giving you a chance to win. It may not be enough but you still have to take a shot. If this doesn't work out and it all blows up in our face. We are still in position to retool and rebuild because the one thing Masai has been pretty good at since taking over is asset management.

ECF doesn't mean anything.

Treadmill team- a team that isn't good enough to win it all or have the pieces to get there in the intimidate future.

If you have a young superstar or potential superstar, if you are in the bottom 5 or if you are the Cavs, Warriors or Spurs, you aren't a treadmill team.

ECF means nothing! the twolves aren't treadmill, but we have a way better record than them. Record means nothing, it's are you building towards becoming a championship level contender.


The answer for us, no! We're building for 2nd place

Meh, this is so stupid. You cannot talk in this absolute terms when it comes to defining the potential success of a team. You're mumbling complete nonsense. Can you bet on your life that we're not going to make the finals this year? Because you sound like you can.

[Johnny Bball]

Hey I really love the raptors winning and all and I think the trades Masai made were great "win-this-year" moves, with little foresight into the future....

Lets get some things straight

1) We basically are almost guaranteed to re-signing Lowry (unless he chooses to leave), on a 5-year supermax timed exactly for his decline and will be locked into 75M/annually for our backcourt for the next 4 years min.

2) We cannot afford to resign our players this offseason. pick your poison. Having Ibaka and Tucker now just makes it harder to pick who to keep and we lose a couple draft picks...

Assumming we keep ppat + lowry.....Cojo's def gone, along with 1 of either ibaka or JV and finally 1 of either carroll or tucker+bruno.....thats even if MLSE is VERY generous with the tax

more importantly, Norm and Bebe also come off their bargain-bin contracts NEXT summer, and multiple teams will throw them mozgov/biyombo money, and we're gonna lose them 100% if we keep the status quo ...

Come 2018 season, what the hell do we have left?

3)

Lebrons only 32, Love 28, Kyrie, 24
Lowry 31, Derozan 27, Ibaka 27..(37?)

Cleveland will not be dethroned as the de-facto East Champs for the forseeable "peak" of this core (next 4 years lets say)

Next up would be the celtics who are just waiting for the right deal to strike.... Boston has a solid core already and can easily flip their propects/picks to get a true superstar when they feel like it to really take them over the top...

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Lets not kid ourselves, with the way we've played lately, if we make it to the ECF, beating WAS AND BOS along the way, and push cleveland to 6 games,then that would be a success in the books of probably most fans here

...is that what really we should be striving for?

Reminder: our coach is still DUANE CASEY

Such a pathetic attitude.

[SHFT]

We technically can re sign everyone by going into tax hell because we have ibaka and tuckers bird rights....if we didnt pull the triggers we would have no space to sign anyone after we re upped kyle unless we shed salaray

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[beanbag]

Until there is a hard cap in the NBA, the Raptors have exactly zero chance at a championship along with the majority of other teams in the league. Short of a GSW string of draft picks, it will never happen. Either watch the games because you enjoy them or you may as well pick another sport.

[Duffman100]

We just made two significant moves at the deadline without giving up any real assets (other than a 20s first rounder and an inconsistent wing player).

We still have,

Wright
Powell
Poeltl
Siakam
2017 first
2018 first
Joseph
JV
Bebe

With a core of Lowry, Derozan, Ibaka and Carroll (probably because he isn't going anywhere).

Things aren't doom and gloom.

[LonZoBallin]

A treadmill team is a team constantly stuck in neutral. They are not good enough to make an impact in the playoffs. But they never suck enough to get a top pick.

We aren't in that situation. We are coming up off an ECF appearance. We have 2 all-stars and good players. We have young controllable assets and all of our first round picks.

At some point you need to try to take a few gambles to bolster your team giving you a chance to win. It may not be enough but you still have to take a shot. If this doesn't work out and it all blows up in our face. We are still in position to retool and rebuild because the one thing Masai has been pretty good at since taking over is asset management.

ECF doesn't mean anything.

Treadmill team- a team that isn't good enough to win it all or have the pieces to get there in the intimidate future.

If you have a young superstar or potential superstar, if you are in the bottom 5 or if you are the Cavs, Warriors or Spurs, you aren't a treadmill team.

ECF means nothing! the twolves aren't treadmill, but we have a way better record than them. Record means nothing, it's are you building towards becoming a championship level contender.


The answer for us, no! We're building for 2nd place

Timberwolves haven't done a damn thing. Wiggins and KAT don't play defense. They are going for the 8th place. Haven't made the playoffs in 12 years lol

Wiggins plays 100 times better D than Derozan or JV lmao Same with Towns.

And they are young. You know what Lowry was doing at their age? Like 6 points 3 assists per game lol

[Triple M]

Raps arent treadmilling because it takes multiple years of stalling or some decline before treadmil lable comes into play. the raps might peak in the ecf but were teams like the Mavs and Pistons tradmils before winning it all??? i get that in a Cle/GSW landscape it can be frustrating to be a good team with slim title hopes but the rest of the 28 teams cant tank nor does tanking give u any better chances of winning

[GRidge]

1995-1998: We sucked.
1999-2002: We sucked less. Actually, we were good in 2001. Had VC made that bucket, we probably would've made the finals. So 1 quality year of Raptors basketball total.
2003-2005: Sucked.
2006-2008: Pretty much sucked. Couldn't win a round.
2009-2012: Sucked.
2013-Present: Hey, look - we're good. We actually have a shot of making the finals. This is incredible.

I can understand fretting about the future if you're somewhat of a new fan. But if you're like me and have been a fan since day 1, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

haha you said it perfectly. There were so may dark and crappy years. It's what jaded us fans when they first made the playoffs. Essentially the mind set was, well we still suck so don't worry we will lose. Remember when we went 41-41 and lost the tie breaker to the bulls for getting in? Good times

[LonZoBallin]

A treadmill team is a team constantly stuck in neutral. They are not good enough to make an impact in the playoffs. But they never suck enough to get a top pick.

We aren't in that situation. We are coming up off an ECF appearance. We have 2 all-stars and good players. We have young controllable assets and all of our first round picks.

At some point you need to try to take a few gambles to bolster your team giving you a chance to win. It may not be enough but you still have to take a shot. If this doesn't work out and it all blows up in our face. We are still in position to retool and rebuild because the one thing Masai has been pretty good at since taking over is asset management.

ECF doesn't mean anything.

Treadmill team- a team that isn't good enough to win it all or have the pieces to get there in the intimidate future.

If you have a young superstar or potential superstar, if you are in the bottom 5 or if you are the Cavs, Warriors or Spurs, you aren't a treadmill team.

ECF means nothing! the twolves aren't treadmill, but we have a way better record than them. Record means nothing, it's are you building towards becoming a championship level contender.


The answer for us, no! We're building for 2nd place

Meh, this is so stupid. You cannot talk in this absolute terms when it comes to defining the potential success of a team. You're mumbling complete nonsense. Can you bet on your life that we're not going to make the finals this year? Because you sound like you can.

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100% I'll bet my life. How about this, you give me 100k if they don't make the finals and I'll done myself if they do.


Actually you can just give me a Dollar because I'll still be a Dollar richer

[Caboclo]

Damn, thought this guy would have been banned after his creepy attacks on DeMarre Carroll's wife.

uh since when did pointing out i sat behind demar and demarres wives at the game (and providing proof) constitude an "attack"

i just thought it was pretty cool to be sitting there and wanted to know if any of u guys wanted me to perhaps casually ask DD's wife to perhaps consider stop counting down the shot clock so loudly since it seemd obnoxious to so many of u guys

and vaff87 bro, why u always trying to start beef with me all the time?

[RaptorsLife]

ECF doesn't mean anything.

Treadmill team- a team that isn't good enough to win it all or have the pieces to get there in the intimidate future.

If you have a young superstar or potential superstar, if you are in the bottom 5 or if you are the Cavs, Warriors or Spurs, you aren't a treadmill team.

ECF means nothing! the twolves aren't treadmill, but we have a way better record than them. Record means nothing, it's are you building towards becoming a championship level contender.


The answer for us, no! We're building for 2nd place

Timberwolves haven't done a damn thing. Wiggins and KAT don't play defense. They are going for the 8th place. Haven't made the playoffs in 12 years lol

Wiggins plays 100 times better D than Derozan or JV lmao Same with Towns.

And they are young. You know what Lowry was doing at their age? Like 6 points 3 assists per game lol

You said we don't have superstars but your comparing Wiggins and KAT defense to derozan and JV defense. Like that supposed to prove a point yeah there bad defenders lol

Wiggins and KAT haven't proven they can make the playoffs let alone. Make a WCF lol. Since when is being a final 4 team a treadmill lol

[LonZoBallin]

Timberwolves haven't done a damn thing. Wiggins and KAT don't play defense. They are going for the 8th place. Haven't made the playoffs in 12 years lol

Wiggins plays 100 times better D than Derozan or JV lmao Same with Towns.

And they are young. You know what Lowry was doing at their age? Like 6 points 3 assists per game lol

You said we don't have superstars but your comparing Wiggins and KAT defense to derozan and JV defense. Like that supposed to prove a point yeah there bad defenders lol

Wiggins and KAT haven't proven they can make the playoffs let alone. Make a WCF lol. Since when is being a final 4 team a treadmill lol

Been like that for a while. You remember the Hawks making the ECF a few years back? They never had a chance, still don't. No different than us.

Treadmill

[kingcns187]

1995-1998: We sucked.
1999-2002: We sucked less. Actually, we were good in 2001. Had VC made that bucket, we probably would've made the finals. So 1 quality year of Raptors basketball total.
2003-2005: Sucked.
2006-2008: Pretty much sucked. Couldn't win a round.
2009-2012: Sucked.
2013-Present: Hey, look - we're good. We actually have a shot of making the finals. This is incredible.

I can understand fretting about the future if you're somewhat of a new fan. But if you're like me and have been a fan since day 1, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I have been a fan since day 1 and I share the opposite views as you. Last years ECF spoiled me and I want more. Just making the ECF isn't enough for me I want the whole ship. Call me spoiled.

[Johnny Bball]

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[TackyRapsFan]

What's the alternative?
Eternally tank and hope the next Jordan comes our way?
That could take decades.


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[LastNameEver]

If you actually know what's going on you'd realize wed be in the tax even with just Lowry and PPat.
So you might as well go into the tax with a deeper, less flawed team.

And blowing the whole thing up is not an option, you don't tank just because you can't beat LeBron...thats a defeatist attitude.

[Caboclo]

If you actually know what's going on you'd realize wed be in the tax even with just Lowry and PPat.
So you might as well go into the tax with a deeper, less flawed team.

Yeah thanks captain obvious. Please inform yourself on how strictly the current CBA actually charges the deeper u are into the luxury tax....

if u think MLSE (aka bell/rogers) is going to pay $4 for every additional dollar for salary (like dan gilbert with the cavs), ur absolutely delusional

[Caboclo]

1995-1998: We sucked.
1999-2002: We sucked less. Actually, we were good in 2001. Had VC made that bucket, we probably would've made the finals. So 1 quality year of Raptors basketball total.
2003-2005: Sucked.
2006-2008: Pretty much sucked. Couldn't win a round.
2009-2012: Sucked.
2013-Present: Hey, look - we're good. We actually have a shot of making the finals. This is incredible.

I can understand fretting about the future if you're somewhat of a new fan. But if you're like me and have been a fan since day 1, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I've been a fan since 04. i remember when the days of the only thing to look forward to in raptors games was for them to continue that useless 3 point streak.

but in the NBA the goal is to win championships. not settle because we have a better team than before.

[LastNameEver]

If you actually know what's going on you'd realize wed be in the tax even with just Lowry and PPat.
So you might as well go into the tax with a deeper, less flawed team.

Yeah thanks captain obvious. Please inform yourself on how strictly the current CBA actually charges the deeper u are into tax....Also google the term "repeater tax"

if u think MLSE (aka bell/rogers) is going to pay $4 for every additional dollar for salary (like dan gilbert with the cavs), ur absolutely delusional

We'll find out.

Masai doesn't say "100%" unless he's gotten the go ahead from MLSE.

All Raps have to do is have similar success to last year.

[whysoserious]

People love to redefine the treadmill as anything that's not winning a title.

Some of you need a reality check. We don't have a player of Lebron's caliber to actually take him on and there are very few players in the league that are at that level.

Our cap is a bit of a mess with these moves but it's nothing that can't be addressed. The notion that we're suddenly stuck signing Lowry because of these moves is ridiculous. We were signing him regardless. He's a top 5 PG in the NBA right now. CP is the same age and going to sign the same deal and he's got a lot more wear and tear on his body than Lowry.

Trading for Tucker has little to no impact on the moves we make, we gave up a player we had no shot at re-signing and a couple of second rounders. Now we have a player that can actually help this year and we have his bird rights. Ross had become useless and we traded him to address our PF position (and suggesting he's 37 in the Op is just plain stupid). Again, we have his bird rights.

These moves actually help us be competitive now and gives us a ton of options this summer. We can re-sign Ibaka, let Tucker go, give Lowry his deal. We can let Patterson go or bring him back and we can move out salary like JV and Carroll if we need to fit those guys in.

All this plus we still have Wright, Norm, Siakam, Poeltl, Bebe and a first rounder. It's not going to be easy to manage all the salaries going forward but we have a guy in Masai that has done a fantastic job with asset management while the team has remained competitive and backfilled the roster with youth, I don't see how anyone could be unhappy with this direction.