Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty

[johanliebert]

First off, is this real?

He has always been an emotional lesbian and shows his true color. He wants unconditional trust for him to perform despite failing year after year. He thinks paying him 30 mil a year and trading him away is selling him out.

Failing?

More like his supporting cast failed him.

Blaming demar is exactly what Masai wants for years he’s trotted our rosters even he knew couldn’t bet lebron.

[microjacklin]

I like Demar
but it's all about business

The "Toronto brass" who told Demar he won't be traded is an idiot

[Anatomize]

He’s a professional athlete. He’s not an everyday joe. It obviously has some kind of substance.

Not at all. It is what ever you attribute to it, 'soon you'll see' or some nonsense, what does that mean? You think he's going to shoot up a place? Is he going to get traded? Who cares, it's really not that important. We know logic by the facts we see outside of what someone says, player x traded for player y, anything beyond that is noise.

See and understand have a different meaning in that sentence. Soon you’ll see is something that will happen in the forgone future. Soon you’ll understand is past tense. Which means he’s aware of something directed towards the organization which he chooses not to mention.

Great, he's going to spill the beans, oh no! This sounds like those dudes who phish people online and got webcam vids of them wanking it and then threatened to send it to their friends, cool man, go ahead (and even in this case nothing can be that bad).

If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell you, what "dirt" he has on the organization is beyond me, and I could care less. To each their own, keep trying to decrypt silly IG messages.

[Chandan]

First off, is this real?

He has always been an emotional lesbian and shows his true color. He wants unconditional trust for him to perform despite failing year after year. He thinks paying him 30 mil a year and trading him away is selling him out.

Failing?

More like his supporting cast failed him.

Blaming demar is exactly what Masai wants for years he’s trotted our rosters even he knew couldn’t bet lebron.

good. now let's move demar to another team and see how he does with a different supporting cast.

[becausephilchow]

Paid the man 30M/Yr, I don't think we're doing him dirty at all.

It’s 27m/yr. at the time I believe he was the highest paid player he’s not even in the top 10 now...

Close enough, but my point is, it's not like we asked him to take a huge discount, and then traded him. We always put him in the #1 Option the moment Bosh left in 2010, and he's been above all criticism really. Yes, he's improved, but, it's not like we've done him wrong by any means IMO.

If it was truly promised that he would not be traded, and we traded him, yes, that sucks a bit, but...who cares, you're getting paid 27M a year, and potentially getting traded to play under one of the best coaches of all time? Could trade you to an utter shithole.

Also, I believe he actually makes MORE money, since there's much lower taxes or something?

[johanliebert]

Paid the man 30M/Yr, I don't think we're doing him dirty at all.

It’s 27m/yr. at the time I believe he was the highest paid player he’s not even in the top 10 now...

Close enough, but my point is, it's not like we asked him to take a huge discount, and then traded him. We always put him in the #1 Option the moment Bosh left in 2010, and he's been above all criticism really. Yes, he's improved, but, it's not like we've done him wrong by any means IMO.

If it was truly promised that he would not be traded, and we traded him, yes, that sucks a bit, but...who cares, you're getting paid 27M a year, and potentially getting traded to play under one of the best coaches of all time? Could trade you to an utter ****.

Also, I believe he actually makes MORE money, since there's much lower taxes or something?

He was not above criticism. Him and Casey will take the fall for all of Masai blunders.

The front office here never gave this team a real chance at competing for a championship.

[OGLife]

Not at all. It is what ever you attribute to it, 'soon you'll see' or some nonsense, what does that mean? You think he's going to shoot up a place? Is he going to get traded? Who cares, it's really not that important. We know logic by the facts we see outside of what someone says, player x traded for player y, anything beyond that is noise.

See and understand have a different meaning in that sentence. Soon you’ll see is something that will happen in the forgone future. Soon you’ll understand is past tense. Which means he’s aware of something directed towards the organization which he chooses not to mention.

Great, he's going to spill the beans, oh no! This sounds like those dudes who phish people online and got webcam vids of them wanking it and then threatened to send it to their friends, cool man, go ahead (and even in this case nothing can be that bad).

If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell you, what "dirt" he has on the organization is beyond me, and I could care less. To each their own, keep trying to decrypt silly IG messages.

For a guy who calls another man depressed, you sure know how to channel your emotions...

I will read into it. As A Raptors fan, it gives me an idea as to why it’s such a challenge to sign guys. Especially coming from DeMar who is known for putting what and who he cares about on his sleeve.

[johanliebert]

Paid the man 30M/Yr, I don't think we're doing him dirty at all.

It’s 27m/yr. at the time I believe he was the highest paid player he’s not even in the top 10 now...

Close enough, but my point is, it's not like we asked him to take a huge discount, and then traded him. We always put him in the #1 Option the moment Bosh left in 2010, and he's been above all criticism really. Yes, he's improved, but, it's not like we've done him wrong by any means IMO.

If it was truly promised that he would not be traded, and we traded him, yes, that sucks a bit, but...who cares, you're getting paid 27M a year, and potentially getting traded to play under one of the best coaches of all time? Could trade you to an utter ****.

Also, I believe he actually makes MORE money, since there's much lower taxes or something?

Name me who he and Lowry have played with

[Anatomize]

See and understand have a different meaning in that sentence. Soon you’ll see is something that will happen in the forgone future. Soon you’ll understand is past tense. Which means he’s aware of something directed towards the organization which he chooses not to mention.

Great, he's going to spill the beans, oh no! This sounds like those dudes who phish people online and got webcam vids of them wanking it and then threatened to send it to their friends, cool man, go ahead (and even in this case nothing can be that bad).

If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell you, what "dirt" he has on the organization is beyond me, and I could care less. To each their own, keep trying to decrypt silly IG messages.

For a guy who calls another man depressed, you sure know how to channel your emotions...

I will read into it. As A Raptors fan, it gives me an idea as to why it’s such a challenge to sign guys. Especially coming from DeMar who is known for putting what and who he cares about on his sleeve.

Huh? He's been on the record saying he suffered from depression.

[OGLife]

Great, he's going to spill the beans, oh no! This sounds like those dudes who phish people online and got webcam vids of them wanking it and then threatened to send it to their friends, cool man, go ahead (and even in this case nothing can be that bad).

If you truly believe that, I'm not sure what to tell you, what "dirt" he has on the organization is beyond me, and I could care less. To each their own, keep trying to decrypt silly IG messages.

For a guy who calls another man depressed, you sure know how to channel your emotions...

I will read into it. As A Raptors fan, it gives me an idea as to why it’s such a challenge to sign guys. Especially coming from DeMar who is known for putting what and who he cares about on his sleeve.

Huh? He's been on the record saying he suffered from depression.

If you go on the record and you call yourself crazy, will you be content with allowing others to call you crazy as well?

[Anatomize]

For a guy who calls another man depressed, you sure know how to channel your emotions...

I will read into it. As A Raptors fan, it gives me an idea as to why it’s such a challenge to sign guys. Especially coming from DeMar who is known for putting what and who he cares about on his sleeve.

Huh? He's been on the record saying he suffered from depression.

If you go on the record and you call yourself crazy, will you be content with allowing others to call you crazy as well?

Enough of strawman arguments, you asked what he meant by it, I'm telling you it's not that important because he writes these all the time and nothing has ever come out of them, let's not go elsewhere with this.

[OGLife]

Huh? He's been on the record saying he suffered from depression.

If you go on the record and you call yourself crazy, will you be content with allowing others to call you crazy as well?

Enough of strawman arguments, you asked what he meant by it, I'm telling you it's not that important because he writes these all the time and nothing has ever come out of them, let's not go elsewhere with this.

I asked what he meant by it. That question did not require you to mention his depression. I suggest you learn how to be an adequate person before you try to be ‘the better man’.

[becausephilchow]

It’s 27m/yr. at the time I believe he was the highest paid player he’s not even in the top 10 now...

Close enough, but my point is, it's not like we asked him to take a huge discount, and then traded him. We always put him in the #1 Option the moment Bosh left in 2010, and he's been above all criticism really. Yes, he's improved, but, it's not like we've done him wrong by any means IMO.

If it was truly promised that he would not be traded, and we traded him, yes, that sucks a bit, but...who cares, you're getting paid 27M a year, and potentially getting traded to play under one of the best coaches of all time? Could trade you to an utter ****.

Also, I believe he actually makes MORE money, since there's much lower taxes or something?

He was not above criticism. Him and Casey will take the fall for all of Masai blunders.

The front office here never gave this team a real chance at competing for a championship.

We gave him the contract he asked for, we didn't do him dirty. Is it a bit **** to say we wouldn't trade him, and then trade? Yes. I don't argue that.

We handed him the keys to the franchise, and tried to build around him, and put players around him that would compliment and hide his deficiencies as much as possible.

He was given essentially, free reign to shoot his way to his All Star Appearances. He wanted to be the man, we let him be the man. The fact that he could not live up to it, was not the problem of Toronto, IMO.

That being said, I really do like DeMar, and I'll be sad if he gets traded, but, at the end of the day, it's a business. Management needs to be concerned with trying to win a championship, not be content with just sitting around, and appeasing it's players. There's a reason why Boston is ahead of us now, both currently and in the future.

[Anatomize]

If you go on the record and you call yourself crazy, will you be content with allowing others to call you crazy as well?

Enough of strawman arguments, you asked what he meant by it, I'm telling you it's not that important because he writes these all the time and nothing has ever come out of them, let's not go elsewhere with this.

I asked what he meant by it. That question did not require you to mention his depression. I suggest you learn how to be an adequate person before you try to be ‘the better man’.

I said he writes cryptic depressive dark messages and historical precedent shows they've had ZERO meaning - so don't waste your time, it's an observation. I didn't say there is something wrong with his message or that he's a bad person or that he's an idiot, you keep taking from it what you will, inferring your own meanings based on your feelings and then switching my position or attacking me personally.

Sometimes because fans like someone they dismiss any contrary opinion of them, so they let their feelings cloud their judgement and logic.

[OGLife]

Enough of strawman arguments, you asked what he meant by it, I'm telling you it's not that important because he writes these all the time and nothing has ever come out of them, let's not go elsewhere with this.

I asked what he meant by it. That question did not require you to mention his depression. I suggest you learn how to be an adequate person before you try to be ‘the better man’.

I said he writes cryptic depressive dark messages and historical precedent shows they've had ZERO meaning - so don't waste your time, it's an observation. I didn't say there is something wrong with his message or that he's a bad person or that he's an idiot, you keep taking from it what you will, inferring your own meanings based on your feelings and then switching my position or attacking me personally.

Sometimes because fans like someone they dismiss any contrary opinion of them, so they let their feelings cloud their judgement and logic.

Can you explain on how soon you’ll understand has anything to do with his depression? You still don’t get it. People who suffer from depression would never wish what they go through to anyone. So I would really like to hear how what that post, not any other one, has to do with his depression.

P.s. I’m not attacking you. Im just questioning your reasoning.

Anyway, this is my last point on this topic. You don’t know when to back off when you’re wrong.

[Brinbe]

miss me with that loyalty talk. I root for the name on the front, not on the back.

Masai got us a top five player. A two-way force. Who is just 27-years-old. Be excited about that.

[Anatomize]

I asked what he meant by it. That question did not require you to mention his depression. I suggest you learn how to be an adequate person before you try to be ‘the better man’.

I said he writes cryptic depressive dark messages and historical precedent shows they've had ZERO meaning - so don't waste your time, it's an observation. I didn't say there is something wrong with his message or that he's a bad person or that he's an idiot, you keep taking from it what you will, inferring your own meanings based on your feelings and then switching my position or attacking me personally.

Sometimes because fans like someone they dismiss any contrary opinion of them, so they let their feelings cloud their judgement and logic.

Can you explain on how soon you’ll understand has anything to do with his depression? You still don’t get it. People who suffer from depression would never wish what they go through to anyone. So I would really like to hear how what that post, not any other one, has to do with his depression.

P.s. I’m not attacking you. Im just questioning your reasoning.

Anyway, this is my last point on this topic. You don’t know when to back off when you’re wrong.

This argument is essentially boy cries wolf, I'm telling you that he's cried wolf thousands of times over, you're telling me that you want to understand why he's crying wolf, and I'm telling you he always cries wolf, and you tell me that this time is more important than the last time, and on in circles we go.

You then proceed to tell me that my motive and reasoning is in question.

Deductive reasoning is not your forte.

[OGLife]

I said he writes cryptic depressive dark messages and historical precedent shows they've had ZERO meaning - so don't waste your time, it's an observation. I didn't say there is something wrong with his message or that he's a bad person or that he's an idiot, you keep taking from it what you will, inferring your own meanings based on your feelings and then switching my position or attacking me personally.

Sometimes because fans like someone they dismiss any contrary opinion of them, so they let their feelings cloud their judgement and logic.

Can you explain on how soon you’ll understand has anything to do with his depression? You still don’t get it. People who suffer from depression would never wish what they go through to anyone. So I would really like to hear how what that post, not any other one, has to do with his depression.

P.s. I’m not attacking you. Im just questioning your reasoning.

Anyway, this is my last point on this topic. You don’t know when to back off when you’re wrong.

This argument is essentially boy cries wolf, I'm telling you that he's cried wolf thousands of times over, you're telling me that you want to understand why he's crying wolf, and I'm telling you he always cries wolf, and you tell me that this time is more important than the last time, and on in circles we go.

You then proceed to tell me that my motive and reasoning is in question.

Deductive reasoning is not your forte.

You use a terrible analogy to justify your terrible reasoning? Did you read the thread title? He is obviously frustrated here, not depressed.

Your entire thought process is in question. You sound like a very judgemental person.

[Anatomize]

Can you explain on how soon you’ll understand has anything to do with his depression? You still don’t get it. People who suffer from depression would never wish what they go through to anyone. So I would really like to hear how what that post, not any other one, has to do with his depression.

P.s. I’m not attacking you. Im just questioning your reasoning.

Anyway, this is my last point on this topic. You don’t know when to back off when you’re wrong.

This argument is essentially boy cries wolf, I'm telling you that he's cried wolf thousands of times over, you're telling me that you want to understand why he's crying wolf, and I'm telling you he always cries wolf, and you tell me that this time is more important than the last time, and on in circles we go.

You then proceed to tell me that my motive and reasoning is in question.

Deductive reasoning is not your forte.

You use a terrible analogy to justify your terrible reasoning? Did you read the thread title? He is obviously frustrated here, not depressed.

Your entire thought process is in question. You sound like a very judgemental person.

I have family members who suffer from depression and take anti-depressants, I have family members who have stayed in the mental ward at north york, I flew down from Hong Kong to stay with them. You know nothing of me. This has nothing to do with appealing to emotions in your argument. I stated that he has a dark/depressive nature to many of his posts where he's regularly making cryptic comments and they have little to no meaning or bearing on the world and nothing ever came out of them - so I was heeding you a warning that it's not worth looking into based on those observations I've made. You then proceed to tell me that I'm attacking him because he suffered from depression, which there is zero basis for and it's not even tied to what I said.

This isn't his first rodeo, he practically has one of these every few weeks/months, and people regularly post them here. You then go in on me on many levels because you can't actually make an argument against it and because you probably think you lost face since you think I'm inferring that you're wasting your time trying to figure it out, so you got defensive. We're all wasting our time here, it's a basketball forum.

[ratul]

Demar was a beast for us - in the regular season - and if Kawhi walks - start the rebuild!