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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#21 » by Cael » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:25 pm

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spicy4MVP wrote:what is nurse thinking right now?


Siakim on the floor tonight +3
Siakim off the floor -11 (in only 7 mins).

As bad as Pascal executed tonight he still draws all the attention and opens up the game for others.

Need Lowry back ASAP


Giannis only plays 33 mpg and the rest of that team is trash without him and they still win games. Nick nurse should be able to coach without having to play siakam 40 mins a game. It doesn't matter how **** you think the bench is, the season is a marathon not a sprint. When it's the playoffs all those rules can go out the window, but your star player shouldn't be burnt out 12 games into the season. Siakam is a hustle/energy guy, he can't function at a high level when he's grabbing his shorts because he's playing entire second halfs. It's not the playoffs. Nick nurse needs to wake up here.


Giannis also fouls out or gets in foul trouble alot. They would play him 40 if he was more disciplined.

He's fouled out of 3 games this season.

That said no one should be playing more than 36. Obviously nurse has to lean on siakam and van vleet right now.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#22 » by ratul » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:55 pm

He def looked gassed. It’s a problem. It happened in the playoffs too. We should avoid burnout. Just because he is young doesn’t mean he doesn’t need rest.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#23 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:20 pm

will wrote:Pascal ain't accustomed to being the main man and playing this many minutes.

There will be an adjustment period for PSizzle.


No other star in the league plays 40+ MPG.
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Post#24 » by Mikistan » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:21 pm

He needs reps as number 1 truthfully including how to perform when tired
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Post#25 » by team edward » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:10 pm

Sorry, this is what it takes to be a max contract all star #1 option. I don’t think he’s going to complain. But Part of his development into ultra-star will pacing himself appropriately in games and achieving maximum recovery between games.
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Post#26 » by Boogie! » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:53 pm

VanWest82 wrote:I'm way more concerned with his lack of mental toughness during bad games. When he loses his composure it seems like everything goes. Very emotional player. How's that going to play out in the playoffs when things aren't going his way?


He's already been through that though.
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Post#27 » by Metallikid » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:54 pm

No he's not he's in his prime. Man could play 42 a game for the whole year if he wanted to.
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Post#28 » by alienchild » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:01 am

Legs and lungs are fine for the usage he get's. He's dealing with some other issues right now. He'll be fine, though it won't surprise me if Nurse rests him next game.
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Post#29 » by anotherhomer » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:14 am

This year is a focus on turning Pascal into a top tier player....if u watch pg play, u know he's still one or two levels above . Up to Pascal to close that gap
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#30 » by ratul » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:15 am

Metallikid wrote:No he's not he's in his prime. Man could play 42 a game for the whole year if he wanted to.



Based on what? He gets gassed regularly. No one plays that much regularly and continues outperformance
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Post#31 » by KrazyP » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:38 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Hes 25 and healthy. :banghead:

Looks burnt out? What a reach.


Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.
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Post#32 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:46 pm

KrazyP wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:Hes 25 and healthy. :banghead:

Looks burnt out? What a reach.


Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.


I guess players were just in better shape then if they can’t do the same now...in their prime...when they are learning to be the first option.

And calling him burnt out is ridiculous, not just a reach.
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Post#33 » by KrazyP » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:48 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
KrazyP wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:Hes 25 and healthy. :banghead:

Looks burnt out? What a reach.


Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.


I guess players were just in better shape then if they can’t do the same now...in their prime...when they are learning to be the first option.


The only other coach in recent memory that treated his players this way was Thibodeau and all his key players became injury prone.....Derrick Rose /Kirk Hinrich / Loul Deng.

The smartest coach in the league is Popovich and he's the one that figured out a team can be more effective over 82 games + playoffs with better minute distribution/load management......all other teams started copying him.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#34 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:49 pm

KrazyP wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
KrazyP wrote:
Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.


I guess players were just in better shape then if they can’t do the same now...in their prime...when they are learning to be the first option.


The only other coach in recent memory that treated his players this way was Thibodeau and all his key players became injury prone.....Derrick Rose /Kirk Hinrich / Loul Deng.



Wrong. Thibodeau used his guys up on practice.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#35 » by Mikek7 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Pascal did look tired on Saturday game, but i think it just been a long west coast road trip. I'm sure his minutes will come down when Lowry and Ibaka comes back from injury. We should have 10 man rotation when everyone is healthy. RHJ, Matt Thomas and Terence Davis look like rotation players now.
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Post#36 » by MadDogSHWA » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:56 pm

To start the season Pascal was thrust into a new role with a lot of pressure. Then key vets get hurt and he has even more pressure.
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Post#37 » by nikster » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:11 pm

Boogie! wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
spicy4MVP wrote:what is nurse thinking right now?


Siakim on the floor tonight +3
Siakim off the floor -11 (in only 7 mins).

As bad as Pascal executed tonight he still draws all the attention and opens up the game for others.

Need Lowry back ASAP


Giannis only plays 33 mpg and the rest of that team is trash without him and they still win games. Nick nurse should be able to coach without having to play siakam 40 mins a game. It doesn't matter how **** you think the bench is, the season is a marathon not a sprint. When it's the playoffs all those rules can go out the window, but your star player shouldn't be burnt out 12 games into the season. Siakam is a hustle/energy guy, he can't function at a high level when he's grabbing his shorts because he's playing entire second halfs. It's not the playoffs. Nick nurse needs to wake up here.

Bucks have more talent then us and they arent decimated by injuries. Plus a lot of Giannis resting has been in blow outs. In competitive games hes been averaging 36-37 mpg
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#38 » by bluerap23 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:25 pm

nikster wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
Siakim on the floor tonight +3
Siakim off the floor -11 (in only 7 mins).

As bad as Pascal executed tonight he still draws all the attention and opens up the game for others.

Need Lowry back ASAP


Giannis only plays 33 mpg and the rest of that team is trash without him and they still win games. Nick nurse should be able to coach without having to play siakam 40 mins a game. It doesn't matter how **** you think the bench is, the season is a marathon not a sprint. When it's the playoffs all those rules can go out the window, but your star player shouldn't be burnt out 12 games into the season. Siakam is a hustle/energy guy, he can't function at a high level when he's grabbing his shorts because he's playing entire second halfs. It's not the playoffs. Nick nurse needs to wake up here.

Bucks have more talent then us and they arent decimated by injuries. Plus a lot of Giannis resting has been in blow outs. In competitive games hes been averaging 36-37 mpg


There is part of the answer - we need to start blowing teams out. It will happen as we get healthy and the schedule is about to ease up.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#39 » by Ramed Nazored » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:32 pm

I'm not sure what people expect. We're missing two of our main rotation guys.
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Re: Spicy P's minutes are very concerning 

Post#40 » by sidsid » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:53 pm

KrazyP wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
KrazyP wrote:
Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.


I guess players were just in better shape then if they can’t do the same now...in their prime...when they are learning to be the first option.


The only other coach in recent memory that treated his players this way was Thibodeau and all his key players became injury prone.....Derrick Rose /Kirk Hinrich / Loul Deng.

The smartest coach in the league is Popovich and he's the one that figured out a team can be more effective over 82 games + playoffs with better minute distribution/load management......all other teams started copying him.


Right on the Pop front. You don't need to hear it from a random Raptors fan, just look at the results of a coach who innovated load management while getting fined by the league for resting his starting lineup on nationaly televised games without an injury excuse years ago.

The Spurs have been contenders and championship winners - making deep playoff runs almost every year - for three separate generations spanning almost 2 decades; something practically unthinkable these days.

I'd take that record and strategic thinking for long term success over our sophomore head coach who was weaned on Casey ball where our teams regularly burned out by playoff time.

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