Masai's draft history w the raptors

[Anticon]

95-98 when we got Damon, Camby, Tmac and Vince with Isiah and Grunwald is the best drafting run in franchise history.

But what Masai did from 2015-2017 with one lottery pick (which he traded for) is an easy number two.

BCs draft run from 09-12 of Derozan, Davis, JV, and Ross was solid also. But with four lottery picks it's hard to compare.

The Babcock/BC special or Araujo, Villanueva, Graham and Bargnani is the worst easily. A few points for PJ Tucker but doesn't matter much since they cut him.

nah, Masai is better. Isiah thomas drafted Damon, Camby and Tmac.

Glen drafted Vince, bosh and mo pete..only two good picks. two of those were no brainer top 5 picks.

He usually traded away 1st round picks or took guys like Michael bradley or Kareem rush

Yeah, I was ranking the eras, not the individual drafters. I would still give it to Isiah because I think the T mac pick was so good (arguably the best Raptors draft pick ever) but certainly Masai has a good case.

Agreed on Grunwald. After Vince and before Bosh it was a mess.

[wtcantfw]

95-98 when we got Damon, Camby, Tmac and Vince with Isiah and Grunwald is the best drafting run in franchise history.

But what Masai did from 2015-2017 with one lottery pick (which he traded for) is an easy number two.

BCs draft run from 09-12 of Derozan, Davis, JV, and Ross was solid also. But with four lottery picks it's hard to compare.

The Babcock/BC special or Araujo, Villanueva, Graham and Bargnani is the worst easily. A few points for PJ Tucker but doesn't matter much since they cut him.

nah, Masai is better. Isiah thomas drafted Damon, Camby and Tmac.

Glen drafted Vince, bosh and mo pete..only two good picks. two of those were no brainer top 5 picks.

He usually traded away 1st round picks or took guys like Michael bradley or Kareem rush

Yeah, I was ranking the eras, not the individual drafters. I would still give it to Isiah because I think the T mac pick was so good (arguably the best Raptors draft pick ever) but certainly Masai has a good case.

Agreed on Grunwald. After Vince and before Bosh it was a mess.

You also can't compare drafting consistently in the top 5 (Isiah/Grunwald) to drafting consistently at the end of the 1st round or 2nd round (Masai). You are obviously far more likely to get a solid player at the top of the draft, but Masai's been pulling them out of his ass for years having had only one lotto pick (Poeltl at 9).

[mrsocko]

The problem with Masai is that his picks are low offensive production role players which are not that marketable. Toronto values their players way higher than the rest of the league.

It’s not a problem but by design. Defence first players can improve offence easier than offensive players can pick up good defence. Plus offense is overvalued on the market meaning they sign at a higher price. Realistically Demar was never a max player in Masai’s scheme and never fit with his defence first philosophy. If OG’s offence and defensive abilities where flipped he would be a max player. As it is we will probably re up him around 20 million/year.

[Dalek]

The problem with Masai is that his picks are low offensive production role players which are not that marketable. Toronto values their players way higher than the rest of the league.

It’s not a problem but by design. Defence first players can improve offence easier than offensive players can pick up good defence. Plus offense is overvalued on the market meaning they sign at a higher price. Realistically Demar was never a max player in Masai’s scheme and never fit with his defence first philosophy. If OG’s offence and defensive abilities where flipped he would be a max player. As it is we will probably re up him around 20 million/year.

I guess my point is that from a trading perspective, it is hard to trade your prospects and role players when their primary value is derived by them playing in a system that caters to them as defenders. Most other teams don't play defense like Toronto does and have a more balanced view or skew more towards offense because they want to have efficient offenses.

For instance, trading for a Bradley Beal is tough for Toronto because if you take FVV, OG, Siakam out of the mix, there are not many prospects where you think, wow, that guy has a chance to put up close to 20 PPG and will help us to save face in losing our primary scorer.

Toronto does this all the time in the draft and even free agency. They had sights on guys like Christian Wood, Hassan Whiteside, and now Cameron Payne (who absolutely was on fire in the Bubble) and just let them go. All of those guys would have yielded better assets than choices like RHJ, Stanley Johnson, Chris Boucher, Pat McCaw etc.